God is Still Protecting Israel

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If Israel still obedience to the word of God, why not?
If Israel understanding the word of God wrong, then what was in the OT......

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

If Israel still obedience to the word of God, why not?
If Israel understanding the word of God wrong, then what was in the OT......

Israel is about the Servants of God in fact ! simple as that ! They Serve God ! Period !

Who was Israel ? only 2 people in the Bible that were worthy on the Title as being an Israel in fact ! that was Jacob and Nathanliel ! but many

Church denominations nowadays run and hide from this issue, for if the people knew the key to the 2 people expressed in the Bible totaly then that would inlighten the People in fact !

Church denominations nowadays do not want people to understand the Key foundations in fact ! because the scailes will fall for their eyes ! and see what Jesus said to Nathaniel would see !

One must believe in the OT in fact as that is a Christians blue print ! as must any worthy claim of being a Jew ! other than that one is not worthy of God but just as most people regardless are lost !

Israel was within Jacob ! the OT points it all out as to why he won the Title of being worthy of God in fact ! that's the Key to the start of the foundations of what God wants from us ? then we see with his Sons and one Son as to why Jacob Israel seen him in that way in fact ! then we can see with all of the other brothers they were not as that one ! for very good reason. the rest did not cut it with God !

Israel never does wrong in fact !

But the Tribe fell only because they turned their backs on God many a time ! untill God Vomited them out of the Land in fact ! because they were not worthy of Israel in fact, but were a Curse that was lead by the ones in charge of the Vinyard as the Bible points out that when the Prophets of God came, They were killed by this Mob ! and then God sent his only begotten Son !

So when the first Christians came about, it was when Jesus went to Heaven ! it was then that the worthy Jews became Christians in fact ! Period ! and the rest of the Jews were still lead astray in fact ! for they are Lost !

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Hi, Reggie. The whole question of who is a Jew can get a bit murky. The orthodox view is that if the mother is Jewish, then the child is too, regardless of the father. I don't think it takes being 100% anything, and I don't claim to know how God sees it. But in the Book of Revelation, the sealed 144,000 are all Jewish if we take it literally, which I do. So, we can assume that God knows whether we do or not.



I'm not sure what you're asking here, but if we look at Genesis 17:7-8, it says, "And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you." Everlasting means everlasting. There are no time constraints or preconditions for this particular covenant.



I've heard tons of conspiracy theories when it comes to Israel/Jews. When you say the Rothschilds created Israel, I think that's a stretch. It's true that at least some Rothschilds were in favor of a Jewish state, which isn't surprising since they are Jewish, but their role seems pretty limited. Lord Rothschild gets brought up a lot, but he was mostly just an intermediary between Chaim Weizmann, who advocated for a Jewish homeland, and Lord Arthur Balfour, who created the Balfour Declaration. But the Balfour Declaration didn't actually create anything. Israel exists because the Jews fought a war for it and won, period. I would also add that the desire for a Jewish homeland started well before World War 2, in the 19th century.

But let's just say for a moment it's true; God can and will work through evil people to accomplish His will. What other people intend for evil, He uses for good. Long before there was ever a Rothschild, God said the Jews would be scattered (Deu 28:64-65); that happened. He said they would be regathered (Eze 11:17); that happened. He said a nation would be born in one day (Isa 66:8); that also happened.

So, just consider this for a moment. Jews have faced thousands of years of discrimination, persecution, genocides, and attempted genocides throughout the ages. Yet while other ethnic groups like the Hittites, Jebusites, Edomites, and all the other “ites” of biblical times have perished, the Jews have remained. Not only have they survived but thrived. They've managed to retain their unique cultural identity without having a homeland for nearly 2,000 years, reestablish a nation, and revived the previously dead Hebrew language, the only ones to have successfully done so (Mark Twain once opined about that exact curiosity). So, what are the astronomical odds of that? Why is the whole world so focused and passionate about a tiny strip of land called Israel and a tiny minority called the Jews? I would argue it's not a coincidence at all.



I've read other posts you've written, and I think we generally agree on most things. And I don't disagree that everyone needs Jesus, my contention is that God is not done with the Jews. If you want to understand my position, see here.

God is not never finished with Israel ! for who serve him are his in fact !

The creation of the modern day State that has been called Israel is the issue here that I was on about.

The UK was never in it's History open arms to Jews and no other Nations in the world was just on the same track in fact !

I never heard of one Christian denomination that I went to, that was open to any support of Jews ! untill the 1990's that they all did a 180 and idolised all Jews ?

The reason why they did not idolise Jews was because, they had their own Denominations set ways ! so if one went to a Prot Church and you started on demanding the R Catholic possition was correct, well No, they would not approve, the same if one started peddling Judaism, it had nothing to do with ones Race at all in fact, but that of the Line of the Denomination must be obayed !

They would come to me and ask where did I come from with my Jewish sirname ! they were never nasty to me because of that at all, but they wanted to know what religion my mum and dad were. and they all were very happy at that. big smiles directly.
One Church we went to bible study has an old Jew next door and he would come and have his 2 cents worth at the fence at times, we would go see that old Jew too use his phone if we had to back then.

I do not support the possition of God doing wrong to make good ? people do wrong and they may learn from such mistakes ? that is at hand regarding God ! he does not do such ! it's just that one reaps what you sow ! and that is the gravity of reality !

God never does wrong ! If in regards the Flood ? well God did no wrong ! In regards the Hellfire to come, as well. it will be because of that they reaped what they Sowed as to why it will come in fact, Just another regards gravity !

Just as we should be truly guiding people towards a life of Grace being the top piroty ! for then that creats that gravity for all ! for if we want to work towards a worldly gravity then you will reap such as that ends ! As the bible points out about An evil generation. That's what the School system has been mandating nowadays in fact, is it not ! For They clearly live the darkness and hate the Light, because they would be exposed ! They clearly do promote degenterats in fact !

And I know of religious who promote evil ! in order to bring God down to earth on their demands in fact ! they want people killed in fact ! but Jesus never killed any one, that was not the message at all in fact, but to have them come to Christ Jesus and be cured of their Curse ! as their is only one way in fact ! that is a life of abundance ! the other is not a life, but a Slave to Sin. and that's just like a dog that chases it's tail !

 

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First, 'Israel' refers to the nation descended from Jacob .
Doesn't mean the Israelis never made a mistake. the Bible has been teaching us through the sins and riches of the House of Israel to obey God's Word, not self-will. before God, in God, I have no self-will. We are not going to submit to Israel, but to God, Christians and Jews alike, Sometimes I want to suggest that " not worshipping idols. "

If God did not protect Israel, Israel would have disappeared into history because of its own mistakes. if God chose Israel to revive his word, why did God regret choosing Israel? But this is not to avoid all the mistakes that the people of Israel have made or will make because of the name of Israel.
(Romans 11: 12)
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminution of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fullness?

We are just learning all about God's word through the Bible, from God's chosen people of Israel, and there are examples for us to learn, there are also mistakes that wake us up. You can't ignore something just because Israel is God's chosen people. You're blinding yourself. What will be the result of the blind leading the blind?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

First, 'Israel' refers to the nation descended from Jacob .
Doesn't mean the Israelis never made a mistake. the Bible has been teaching us through the sins and riches of the House of Israel to obey God's Word, not self-will. before God, in God, I have no self-will. We are not going to submit to Israel, but to God, Christians and Jews alike, Sometimes I want to suggest that " not worshipping idols. "

If God did not protect Israel, Israel would have disappeared into history because of its own mistakes. if God chose Israel to revive his word, why did God regret choosing Israel? But this is not to avoid all the mistakes that the people of Israel have made or will make because of the name of Israel.
(Romans 11: 12)
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminution of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fullness?

We are just learning all about God's word through the Bible, from God's chosen people of Israel, and there are examples for us to learn, there are also mistakes that wake us up. You can't ignore something just because Israel is God's chosen people. You're blinding yourself. What will be the result of the blind leading the blind?

Gods Israel never makes mistakes in fact !

What your on about is only Carnal religious possition in fact ! somthing that any Carnal Athiest could swallow in fact and they do !

One who is truly born again serves Christ Jesus as the Head, as they are his Body in fact !

One who Idolises so called Jews ? must not know that they are Idolising Mans works ! it's not the people who are worthy of God in fact but people who like Jacob ! who are worthy in fact ! The majority of Jewish people were not Blessed like Jacob when he became Israel in fact !
See that he was not worthy himself untill he was Israel !

Now how can anyone become worthy of God in fact ! you think it's all coming from a birth right ? like any Carnal idiot would claim ?
Were you born born again ? No ! one has to be worthy of such in fact !
Who do you think Holy Moses was ? just an equal to all Jews ? No he was not ! what about Gods Prophets ? what about them ? not all were worthy of God as them in fact ! and who killed them and got away with all such and why ? because the Jews were Lost in fact ! carnal religious in fact !

Being a Jew is of no account unless they have the gift of God ! some shone ! some were outright Godless in fact ! the OT is full of all such !

Do not be suprised for this world is full of decepions and delusions ! remember that ! because Jesus said it's true !
When were the majority ever the brain storms ? It only took one Jesus !

 

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Gods Israel never makes mistakes in fact !

If you are referring to those whom God has reserved for Himself, Scripture does describe a remnant chosen by grace (Romans 11:5). However, the Bible clarifies that no one is without sin except Christ (Romans 3:10–12; Hebrews 4:15). Even the 'elect' are saved not by their perfection but by God’s mercy (Ephesians 2:8–9)

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

If you are referring to those whom God has reserved for Himself, Scripture does describe a remnant chosen by grace (Romans 11:5). However, the Bible clarifies that no one is without sin except Christ (Romans 3:10–12; Hebrews 4:15). Even the 'elect' are saved not by their perfection but by God’s mercy (Ephesians 2:8–9)

If one does not have Gods Grace one is not worthy of God in fact !

Regardless it is as when the first worthy Jews became the first Christians, for they were Saved ! why, because they got the message !

So if you are peddling Sin as equal to all regardless are on the same footing ? well no, one who is Saved has the power to deal with Sin for one has a true understanding on such workings in fact, so one may still Sin ? but one is not a Slave to Sin, as Carnal are Slaves because they are Lost to Sin ?

 

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So if you are peddling Sin as equal to all regardless are on the same footing ? well no, one who is Saved has the power to deal with Sin for one has a true understanding on such workings in fact, so one may still Sin ? but one is not a Slave to Sin, as Carnal are Slaves because they are Lost to Sin ?

Yes.if they can't fully understand the word of God.

Romans 11:32
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.