Does God love those He burns in Hell "Forever and Ever"?

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Burning in hell, or burning in hell forever, is a phrase I see some people use, though I do not see it in the Bible. The closest to that is a lake of fire, in the book full of symbolic imagery. It would be symbolic imagery, as the descriptions of heaven would be, for impressing our limited ability to understand such things outside of our experienced reality. It tells us there will be the torment of lasting misery, but we do not know in this world how that will happen. But God is just and fair, and Christ came to bear the justice that we would not have to, with coming to be in Christ. We should not want to experience that hell to find out.
It wont happen in this world, Hell, Hades, Gehenna, Lake of Fire are all someplace where wicked people go eternally separated from God.
Jesus sends them to a final destination after they are judged by their works - deeds.

Not an illusion, it happens, Christ is Lord of the living and the dead. All people.
Romans 12
9 For to this end Christ died [b]and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of [c]Christ. 11 For it is written:

As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another [d]anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

Romans 3
30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

Romans 4:7
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”


2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Well, imagine being judged to see if you are worthy for eternal life by your works!

The Great White Throne Judgment​

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
 

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Burning in hell, or burning in hell forever, is a phrase I see some people use, though I do not see it in the Bible. The closest to that is a lake of fire, in the book full of symbolic imagery. It would be symbolic imagery, as the descriptions of heaven would be, for impressing our limited ability to understand such things outside of our experienced reality. It tells us there will be the torment of lasting misery, but we do not know in this world how that will happen. But God is just and fair, and Christ came to bear the justice that we would not have to, with coming to be in Christ. We should not want to experience that hell to find out.
Jesus clearly warned us of "the EVERLASTING fire", "they will be tormented day and night FOREVER"!
 
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Yes God does, They burn in Hell for ever !
Why is that ? well they made their own bed ! they did not have respect for God or anyone truly in fact !
Now as to the burning ? If you did something very wrong, how do you feel about such ? well that's the burning ! it's like, oh no i did that ! how stupid ! I hate that I did that ? that's the burning ! it never ends ! it's a Pain ! Oh the Pain the Pain ! remeber Dr Z Smith ?

So it's like one is a total Dingbat !

When One kills another ? I believe that ones Soul is under fire, it's a Pain that robs ones Soul ! you are never the same again in fact.

When one uses others, undermines others ? ones Soul is corrupted ! you will have regret for all such for ever, because you were a bastard to God ! what you do to others is as if you do such to Jesus.

So stop it ! stop it now ! and grow a backbone. and be proud in Christ Jesus ! and show that off to the world, that you are not just a slave to Sin.

Plenty of bad people have made the change and they can or have made the best Saints in fact !
 

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Does He love them? Does a loving parent continue to love an offspring who chooses to ignore them?
Jesus tell us to love the enemies. God loves the enemy but love is not how we define love. God is love and everything God is and does is out of love. perfect love includes punishing sin.
 
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Jesus tell us to love the enemies. God loves the enemy but love is not how we define love. God is love and everything God is and does is out of love. perfect love includes punishing sin.
Yes, God sets us apart, one from the other. The sheep and the goats. The wheat and the chafe, the just and the unjust.
The children of God, the children of wrath. The righteous justified by faith in Christ who believe what God says, the unrighteous who have no faith in Christ, who do not believe.

Those who believe worship God and Christ and are children of God in the midst of a perverse generation, the redeemed of the Lord
Those who do not believe lust after Satan, desire to do their father's will, the devil, being children of the devil.

You must be born of the Spirit to belong to the family of God.
You must be conformed to Christ, created in His image, to have the righteousness of Christ and Christ is the image of God. We are reborn as the image of Christ to God the Father and He can call us His sons.


John 3:18
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 5:38
But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.

John 5:44
How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?

John 6:64
But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

John 12

Who Has Believed Our Report?​

37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:

“Lord, who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:

40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
Lest they should see with their eyes,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.”
41 These things Isaiah said [f]when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.
 
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Yes, God sets us apart, one from the other. The sheep and the goats. The wheat and the chafe, the just and the unjust.
The children of God, the children of wrath. The righteous justified by faith in Christ who believe what God says, the unrighteous who have no faith in Christ, who do not believe.

Those who believe worship God and Christ and are children of God in the midst of a perverse generation, the redeemed of the Lord
Those who do not believe lust after Satan, desire to do their father's will, the devil, being children of the devil.

You must be born of the Spirit to belong to the family of God.
You must be conformed to Christ, created in His image, to have the righteousness of Christ and Christ is the image of God. We are reborn as the image of Christ to God the Father and He can call us His sons.


John 3:18
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 5:38
But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.

John 5:44
How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?

John 6:64
But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

John 12

Who Has Believed Our Report?​

37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:

“Lord, who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:

40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
Lest they should see with their eyes,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.”
41 These things Isaiah said [f]when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.
This has nothing to do with who God loves. You are talking about salvation. God created Satan and the 3rd of the angels that went with him. God can love what and who He created and still punish them to hell.

all those in Heaven are children of God and all those in hell are children of the devil.
 

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In the beginning God created man.
Genesis 1:27
So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

And Adam was created in the image of God, Adam had eternal life, Adam was as the image of God, without sin and deathless of an eternal nature as is God.

But when Adam falls into sin, Adam lost the image of God, or you could say the image was marred, as he lost his eternal life and becomes a sinner. Adam died. God tells Adam dying you shall die.

And for all the children of Adam we read something different

Genesis 5:3
And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

And so it has been true down thru all time, until Christ came, all were naturally born according to the image and likeness of their parents, they all sinned and had no eternal life, all died.

But when Christ came and the Spirit made us born again, we were again made in the image and likeness of God, as NEW creations in Christ. God wiped out all our sins that were against us and gave back to us His eternal nature, we became spiritually alive possessing eternal life, as He is, so are we, even in this world. We share with Him his own throne.

Romans 8:29
For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.


Revelation 3:21
To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Think on this.
 

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This has nothing to do with who God loves. You are talking about salvation. God created Satan and the 3rd of the angels that went with him. God can love what and who He created and still punish them to hell.

all those in Heaven are children of God and all those in hell are children of the devil.
I think you miss the relevance of the thread title and discussion. Those God loves with His Great Love, God saves by His grace and mercy towards us, and not the others.

3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
 

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To whom is the great love of God manifested towards? Who does God save? Why did you believe? It was because of God's great love towards you that you believed in Christ. The work of God is that YOU believe in Christ whom He sent.

1 John 4
8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.

10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
 

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Note v28 and 29, Philippians 1

Striving and Suffering for Christ​

27 Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,

28 and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but [f]to you of salvation, and that from God.

29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,

30 having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me.
 

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  1. Hebrews 10:39
    But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
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  2. 2 Peter 3:7
    But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
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  3. Revelation 17:8
    The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
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  4. Revelation 17:11
    The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

PERDITION is HELL FIRE


per·di·tion
[pərˈdiSHən]
noun
perdition (noun)
  1. (in Christian theology) a state of eternal punishment and damnation into which a sinful and unpenitent person passes after death.

Origin
late Middle English: from Old French perdiciun, from ecclesiastical Latin perditio(n-), from Latin perdere ‘destroy’, from per- ‘completely, to destruction’ + the base of dare ‘put’.
 

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Jesus tell us to love the enemies. God loves the enemy but love is not how we define love. God is love and everything God is and does is out of love. perfect love includes punishing sin.
True
 

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Well then God's love is vengeance.
Define vengeance

vengeance​

(vendʒəns IPA Pronunciation Guide )
1. uncountable noun
Vengeance is the act of killing, injuring, or harming someone because they have harmed you.

He swore vengeance on everyone involved in the murder. [+ on]
She cried aloud to the gods for vengeance for the loss of her daughter.
Synonyms: revenge, retaliation, reprisal, retribution More Synonyms of vengeance

Romans 12:19
Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.

2 Thess 1
4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Jude 1:7
as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

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ChatGPT says this about vengeance versus love.

Reasoned about meaning of "vengeance vs love" for 6 seconds
"Vengeance" and "love" are generally considered opposites. While vengeance is driven by a desire for retribution or to inflict harm in response to a perceived wrong, love is characterized by compassion, forgiveness, and empathy.

In many cultural and literary traditions, vengeance is seen as a destructive impulse that can lead to cycles of pain and conflict, whereas love seeks to heal and build positive relationships.

Does that perspective help clarify the difference?
 

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  1. Psalm 58:10
    The righteous shall rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked,
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  2. Psalm 94:1

    God the Refuge of the Righteous​

    O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongs— O God, to whom vengeance belongs, shine forth!
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  3. Psalm 99:8
    You answered them, O Lord our God; You were to them God-Who-Forgives, Though You took vengeance on their deeds.
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  4. Psalm 149:7
    To execute vengeance on the nations, And punishments on the peoples;
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  5. Proverbs 6:34
    For jealousy is a husband’s fury; Therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance.
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  6. Isaiah 1:24
    Therefore the Lord says, The Lord of hosts, the Mighty One of Israel, “Ah, I will rid Myself of My adversaries, And take vengeance on My enemies.
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  7. Isaiah 34:8
    For it is the day of the Lord’s vengeance, The year of recompense for the cause of Zion.
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  8. Isaiah 35:4
    Say to those who are fearful-hearted, “Be strong, do not fear! Behold, your God will come with vengeance, With the recompense of God; He will come and save you.”
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  9. Isaiah 47:3
    Your nakedness shall be uncovered, Yes, your shame will be seen; I will take vengeance, And I will not arbitrate with a man.”
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  10. Isaiah 59:17
    For He put on righteousness as a breastplate, And a helmet of salvation on His head; He put on the garments of vengeance for clothing And was clad with zeal as a cloak.
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  11. Isaiah 61:2
    To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, And the day of vengeance of our God; To comfort all who mourn,
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  12. Isaiah 63:4
    For the day of vengeance is in My heart, And the year of My redeemed has come.
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  13. Jeremiah 11:20
    But, O Lord of hosts, You who judge righteously, Testing the mind and the heart, Let me see Your vengeance on them, For to You I have revealed my cause.

So does God have enemies that He takes vengeance on?

Will you wash your feet in the blood of the wicked like God does?
 

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Who are God's enemies? Those who God does not know and who do not know God, those who do not obey the Gospel, they are God's enemies, and God takes His vengeance on His enemies. There is no way to make this sound pleasant, it is one of the many precious promises of God to His people.

Isaiah 1:24
Therefore the Lord says, The Lord of hosts, the Mighty One of Israel, “Ah, I will rid Myself of My adversaries, And take vengeance on My enemies.

Matthew 7
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

2 Thess 1
4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,

8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.
 

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Rev 14

Reaping the Grapes of Wrath​

17 Then another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Thrust in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe.” 19 So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for one thousand six hundred [k]furlongs.

And

Romans 9

22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,

23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As He says also in Hosea:

“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:

“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.

28 For [b]He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
29 And as Isaiah said before:

“Unless the Lord of [c]Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom,
And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”

Present Condition of Israel​

30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law [d]of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, [e]by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.

33 As it is written:

“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
 

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I think you miss the relevance of the thread title and discussion. Those God loves with His Great Love, God saves by His grace and mercy towards us, and not the others.

3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
John 1:11-12 HE came to his own, and HIS own people did not receive Him. But to all who did receive Him, who believed in HIS NAME, HE gave the right to become children of God....

Read the Gospel according to John. Jesus actually shows and explains.