God is Still Protecting Israel

[Aunty Jane]

Jeremiah 31:31-37 KJV
31) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Just to put some perspective on this….the “house of Judah” was the tribe from which Jesus came.
So the new covenant was concluded with those who were disciples of Jesus…..those who were released from “the curse of the Law” through Jesus sacrifice, accepted him as the one God “sent” to redeem them…but not only them….as Peter said after being sent to Cornelius, (the first gentile to convert to Christianity, without first having to convert to Judaism)….
Acts 10:24-25….
”Now I truly understand that God is not partial, 35  but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.”

This is where Israel’s exclusivity ended. People of the nations would now come to Christ on equal footing with the Jews……their heritage now meant nothing.…as John B exposed….
Matt 3:7-10….
”When he caught sight of many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to the baptism, he said to them: “You offspring of vipers, who has warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Therefore, produce fruit that befits repentance. 9 Do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children for Abraham from these stones. 10 The ax is already lying at the root of the trees. Every tree, then, that does not produce fine fruit is to be cut down and thrown into the fire.”

Do you get the import of what John said…? Did the Jews ever produce the fruits of repentance? Almost 2000 years later, they still haven’t.

32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Since you have quoted the KJV here, it is timely to note that where “the LORD” appears in capitals, is where the Tetragrammaton should be.
Psalm 83:18 says in the KJV…
”That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.”
The Jews lost God’s name in Hebrew, but in English it is translated as “Jehovah”. The KJV is inconsistent with its translation and in passages where it is vital to be included…like Exodus 3:13-15.
”And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.”

God’s name is not ”the LORD God”…that is his title, but his name should appear in this one verse more so than many others.
Isa 42:8 is also another verse where the omission is inexcusable.
”I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
Whether you call him Yahweh or Jehovah, his name deserves its rightful place some 7000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures. What author would tolerate his name being removed from his own work and the title “Author” being substituted?

What was of first concern to Jesus in the Lord’s Prayer?…..”Hallowed be thy name”….. how do you sanctify a name you never use?
As for the writing of God’s law on hearts….Jews continue to follow the written Law because they do not accept Jesus as the one who took the curse of the Law away from them. They are still cursed by it. The new covenant does not apply to those obstinate hearts.

35) Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37) Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

And in instituting a substitute nation who will obey him, God abandoned the disobedient nation who never did…and will continue not to obey the God they claim is the God of Israel.
The “seed of Israel” Isaiah prophesied to be a “remnant” of that nation….and a remnant were all who responded to Jesus….why do you think that gentiles were invited after Israel was done with Jesus and the Christians who followed him?

Paul wrote in Romans 9: 25-27….
“It is as he says also in Ho·seʹa: “Those not my people I will call ‘my people,’ and her who was not loved, ‘beloved’; 26 and in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”
27 Moreover, Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Although the number of the sons of Israel may be as the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved.”

And a remnant was saved…..those who came to Christ out of Judaism. The rest came from the people who were “not God’s people” but who became “beloved“ by God and accepted as “sons of the living God”.
The Jewish Christians became separated from Judaism as their knowledge progressed, and the split was permanent. So God never did cast off “Israel”….their seed were the first to respond as they were the exclusive audience of the Messiah.

Christendom invented a new god, whom the Jews and the first Christians alike, would never accept.
They worship a “Lord” who is not “the LORD” but who can split himself into three separate persons who can speak to each other and be in different places all at the same time. I cannot find this god in Scripture except by vague reference.

Israel remains a nation before God. Not everyone agrees, but your disagreement is with God.

It is not in disagreement with God at all. Read the verses which confirm it and understand how the verse you quoted are not contradicting them.

Just read the above until you believe it. And there are many more like it.

Perhaps we need to give you the same recommendation as you clearly ignore what the Scriptures tell you about natural Israel….there are many Scriptures that refute your claim….we can each believe what we believe is true….but many will come to disappointment. (Matt 7:21-23) Beliefs are just that….we can hold to them, but it doesn’t make them true.

 

[marks]

Since you have quoted the KJV here, it is timely to note that where “the LORD” appears in capitals, is where the Tetragrammaton should be.
Psalm 83:18 says in the KJV…
”That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.”
The Jews lost God’s name in Hebrew, but in English it is translated as “Jehovah”. The KJV is inconsistent with its translation and in passages where it is vital to be included…like Exodus 3:13-15.
”And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.”

We need to remember that the Massorete scribes invented the name "Jehovah" as a means to obscure the pronounciation of God's real name.

Jehovah is not a translation of YHWH, it's a conflation of YHWH and adonai, done specifically so people would not pronounce God's real name.

Much love!

 

[Aunty Jane]

We need to remember that the Massorete scribes invented the name "Jehovah" as a means to obscure the pronounciation of God's real name.

On whose authority do you make such a statement?
What do you know about the Masoretes that you think we don’t?

Jehovah is not a translation of YHWH, it's a conflation of YHWH and adonai, done specifically so people would not pronounce God's real name.

“Jehovah” is the accepted English translation of the divine name and has been for centuries. But English is not the only language into which the Bible has been translated….like all Hebrew or Greek names, they have their English equivalents….as well as equivalents in other languages.

The KJV even has Jehovah’s name, but in only four places out of the 7000 times it appears in the Hebrew text.
One can only wonder why? And for what reason those four were chosen out of so many opportunities to make known the illustrious name of “the only true God”. (John 17:3)
Isn't this what Jesus taught his disciples?
He said in prayer to his Father: “I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. . . . I have made your name known to them and will make it known.” (John 17:6, 26)

God’s name was important to Jesus, so the Jewish failure to keep God’s divine name to the forefront of their worship, tells the story. The excuse they give for losing it is weak and unacceptable...it is the direct result of disobedience. Read Exodus 3:15 from the Jewish Tanakh and see that the tetragrammaton is there in the Hebrew text but only his title is there in the English translation. A title is not a name, and a close relationship with anyone is impossible if you do not know their name. The devil is the one who wants it lost. Who are his pawns?

Jesus also taught his followers to pray: “Our Father who in heavens hallowed be thy name.” (Matt 6:9) Why would Jesus make those statements unless he had used God’s name, and wanted it to be known and accepted with due reverence? God knows his name in all languages…..he is the reader of hearts not just words.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Here is a list of the languages in which the divine name has been translated….

Awabakal - Yehóa

Cantonese - Yehwowah

Danish - Jehova

Dutch - Jehovah

English - Jehovah

Fijian - Jiova

Finnish - Jehova

French - Jéhovah

Futuna - Ihova

German - Jehova

Hungarian - Jehova

Italian - Geova

Japanese - Ehoba

Maori - Ihowa

Polish - Jehowa

Portuguese - Jeová

Romanian - Iehova

Samoan - Ieova

Sotho - Jehova

Spanish - Jehová

Swahili - Yehova

Swedish - Jehova

Tahitian - Iehova

Tagalog - Jehova

Tongan - Jihova

Yoruba - Jehofah

Zulu - uJehova

Why quibble over the English as if God doesn’t understand all languages. The use of God’s name with respect, no matter what language we speak, is better than not using any name at all…..

 

[marks]

What do you know about the Masoretes that you think we don’t?

Feel free to research for yourself.

Call it quibbling, call it whatever you want. You made a thing about the name Jehovah, I shared with you the origin of the name is exactly opposite to what you claim. It was designed by men to obscure the Divine Name. If you are unaware of this you should check it out. For a great many people this is common knowledge, I'm surprised you aren't aware of this.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Jesus also taught his followers to pray: “Our Father who in heavens hallowed be thy name.” (Matt 6:9)

Jesus decidedly did not tell you to pray in the name of Jehovah. Neither did He command to baptize in the name of Jehovah.

Much love!

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

It's only Israel's PM Ben who is the one who has saved the State of Israel in fact !
What a great Statesman PM Ben is !

 

[Taken]

God is Still Protecting Israel​

Yes! Amen!

God has Not abandoned or forsaken ISRAEL His People.

A great awaking / revival is coming FOR ISRAEL in JERUSALEM, and For the Twelve Tribes of ISRAEL on Mt ZION….after those “not yet soul saved…experience their Judgement “punishment” (during the Seals), for Having rejected… (broadly, as Some have accepted, (Calling themselves Christians , Messanic Jews)…The Lamb of God’s Baptism… which They will Receive During the (Trumps) Judgements.

Praise and Glory to Our Great Faithful Lord God Almighty,

Taken

 

[Windmill Charge]

Before or after the great tribulation? It's in that day that they will say Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of the LORD.

Just as some disbelieve that God will preserve His born again children into the age to come, some disbelieve that God would preserve Israel, His chosen nation, into the age to come. Both were promised by God, and He keeps His promises.

Do you not see that Israel has been cursed by God for many centuries, you don't see that as the consequence of their actions?

Yes I know about the blessings and cursings, and shall we also discuss the LORD's salvation of His people?

You trust in Jesus and endeavor to serve Him, is what I think. But before you did, you were lawless, in unbelief, hostile to God, or so says the Bible. I know that described me.

Much love!

God keeps his promises and the conditions attached to those promises.

 

[Cyd]

God changes ‘a.m. to p.m.,' terrorists can't account for divine intervention - opinion

What they didn’t plan on was the factor of divine intervention that was at play, proving that the God of Gideon is still the same God who continues to intervene on our behalf today!

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Much love!

Thank you for posting this Mark, for me these things represent answers to prayer for those as myself that pray for the protection and peace of Israel and Jerusalem.

Psalm 122:6-9 (KJV) Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee. Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces. For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee. Because of the house of the LORD our God I will seek thy good.

I won't get into all the arguing but would remind @Aunty Jane that all souls are Gods and you should be praying for them all.

Ezekiel 18:4 (KJV) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

God is always protecting Israel ! why ? because they Surve only him !
They are the servants of God ! for they are Israel !

Now all people who do not serve Christ Jesus, they can not make a claim that they are, an Israel in fact ! For that would be a Lie in fact !

So only devout Christians are Israel in fact ! for they are the servants of God in fact !

Remember the First Christians, they were all Jews ! Worthy Jews ! and the rest of the Jews who were lead astray by this world were Vomited out of the Land !

 

[Dan Clarkston]

As I said…don’t believe me…believe Paul who gave a perfectly clear explanation of how God’s promises are fulfilled as he stated…..he simply changed the definition of what it meant to be “Jewish”….a new “Israel” who would follow through on the instructions given by God’s son.

This does not mean God has forsaken the promise He made to Abraham to bless Abraham's descendants.

Romans 11:13-21
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Jesus prayed in John 17:14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17 Sanctify them by[d] the truth; your word is truth.

Question.
Who is not of this world and who is of this world, in the context of Jesus's prayer?

 

[Jericho]

Is today’s “Israel” protected by God when she does what her forefathers did in seeking the protection and assistance of foreign nations, whose worship she despises?

Does Israel love “Christianity” or is it a religion she especially feels is a wicked apostasy? In speaking to many modern day Jews, I get the impression that they do not think well of Westerners who put faith in Jesus as Messiah….it makes them bristle.
Still chained to the Law of Moses, they prove every day what a “curse” it always was to them, as not a soul could keep the Law perfectly.

God did foretell that they would be regathered and become a nation again. It didn't say they would be regathered in belief, that is yet to come. But reestablishing the nation of Israel is necessary for end-time events to play out. The Book of Revelation revolves around Jerusalem and the Jewish people. Zechariah says that Jerusalem would be a stumbling block. None of that could have happened until 1948/1967. No one cared about Israel\Jerusalem until then.

Who today wants people to believe that God still supports that nation of disobedient ones who, to this day, hate Christianity?

Is there any nation so pure and righteous? Has there ever been? Not in this fallen world. We have plenty who hate Christianity in our own nations. It seems that people hold Israel to a standard that no one else is held to. But one thing that sets them apart is God made an everlasting covenant with them (Actually, more than one, some of which were unconditional).

 

[Aunty Jane]

This does not mean God has forsaken the promise He made to Abraham to bless Abraham's descendants.

Romans 11:13-21
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Sorry, I like my Scripture to be in easily understood English…..do you speak like this at home using outdated phrasing and archaic English?

From the ESV…
“Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches. But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.”

When Paul spoke of natural “Israel” he did so with sadness because he knew that their “stiff necked” approach to worship had always been a problem throughout their history. He knew all too well from his own experience how deeply rooted their hatred was towards the one sent to save them. He had been personally responsible for many deaths and much persecution of the Christians before his conversion.

The Jewish leadership could never do as they were told...therefore when those disobedient branches were broken off and new ones from the Gentiles were grafted in, it didn't mean that Israelites by birth were rejected as individuals, but as a nation, alienated from God by their own wickedness, they disqualified themselves. Their religious leaders led the whole nation astray throughout their sad and sorry history.

It was foretold that only a “remnant” of natural Israel would be saved…(Rom 9:27-28)….all of the first Christians were Jewish and these formed that remnant back in the first century. The gentiles made up the rest which was always in God’s plan for them as the promise to Abraham stated….

Gen 22:17-18….
“I will surely bless you and I will surely multiply your offspring like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand on the seashore, and your offspring* will take possession of the gate of his enemies. 18 And by means of your offspring all nations of the earth will obtain a blessing for themselves because you have listened to my voice.’”

Natural Israel were not better people than the nations, but chosen by God (as descendants of Abraham) to produce his Messiah and to fulfill prophesy. God kept those wayward people in existence until his purpose was fulfilled. When they murdered his son in their wickedness, he abandoned them and formed a new “Israel”….those who became disciples of his son were all Jewish at first, until God opened the way for Gentiles to accept his Christ for their salvation.

”The Israel of God” that Paul spoke about were the Christian disciples of Jesus Christ. (Gal 6:16)
Natural Israel are just part of the blood spilling nations who do not have God’s backing….if they did they would not need to ally themselves with nations whose worship they despise. Their God would be fighting for them and crushing their enemies, as he did when they were obedient to him in times past. When they disobeyed him, he abandoned them to those enemies.

People of all nations can come to God through his Christ, as individuals…..but there is no such thing as a “Christian” nation. “Christianity” identifies itself by its actions. If it has blood on its hands, it does not have God in its heart. (Isa 1:15; Matt 5:43-44) You cannot “love your enemies” with heinous weapons of mass destruction.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

God did foretell that they would be regathered and become a nation again. It didn't say they would be regathered in belief, that is yet to come. But reestablishing the nation of Israel is necessary for end-time events to play out. The Book of Revelation revolves around Jerusalem and the Jewish people. Zechariah says that Jerusalem would be a stumbling block. None of that could have happened until 1948/1967. No one cared about Israel\Jerusalem until then.



Is there any nation so pure and righteous? Has there ever been? Not in this fallen world. We have plenty who hate Christianity in our own nations. It seems that people hold Israel to a standard that no one else is held to. But one thing that sets them apart is God made an everlasting covenant with them (Actually, more than one, some of which were unconditional).

One could aks, Who is Them ?

Like ok two Jews man and woman say full blood ? from what era ?

How can they be full blood ? the Semitic people or Tribes ? Well Gods People were only One Tribe of many Semitic Tribes in fact !

Now From what era do we start, that the so called everlasting covenant is all about ? but how and what is this covenant truly seriously truly all about ?

So we have to have the comming of the One ! Because that's where Gods Salvation kickes off in fact and the rest of history is only a Blueprint in regard God working to this point in fact on some of the People ! because the Jews were Lost up to this Point in fact !

Then we have the Point that all who abide in Christ Jesus are Saved in fact ! Period ! Race does not come into it at all now, does it !

Well well, as of the blood line, from where ? it never worked on blood line did it at all in fact, but on what ?
That's right how does it work in fact !
Well well, it truly only works if one is blessed in fact ! regardless what so called Race you claim to be in fact ! and not only only that point what Race are You ? Do you have a factual record going back to the coming of Christ Jesus ? or back to Moses and beyond ? So what a load of hog wash ! as even you could prove 100% that Hebrew blood line, it is truly of no value at all what so ever in fact because one needs the Holy Spirit to become Saved in fact !

Not to mention on can only go back 3 generations to make any real substance of who you are of any value in relation to what you are as once you go past that point their is no real value worthy of talking about ! seriously ! or one is just being an idiot in fact.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The State that Idiots called Israel ?

It is not Israel in fact at all !

Ask any truly devout OT Jew ! It is hoped to become Israel in fact ! by them worthy Jews in fact ! they do not say that it is yet and are pissed off about how the State is not worthy of the OT in fact ! for the State has to be worthy of the OT so as to become Israel ! Then they will rejoice !

The State was created from the workings of the Rothschild's in fact ! Not God in fact, but was the creation of the Rothschilds and they have said this openly on TV in fact, it was all their baby !

Now how did the Rothschild work so as to bring the State to being !
Well Hitler was the main instigator in it's creation in fact ! and without Hitler it never would of came about in fact !

Hitler and his Politicaly Correct Socialist was killing Jews that were against the creation of a Jewish State in fact ! for they hated the so called Zionist Jews ! Rothschilds created the so called Zionist ! and Hitler only alowed Zionist Jews to print newspapers and all other Jews were banned from priniting in fact !
The Majority of Jews in Germany were not that stupid to swallow all of the Lies that the Zionist peddled ! So they were the greatest threat to the so called Zionist Jews ! so Rothschild ordered them to obay his gods, Molich ! and set the Burnt offering up ! to that so called Zionist god that accepts Burnt offerings in fact !

The 6 million were offered up ! to their Burnt offering ! for There gods in fact !
They set then Jews up in fact for a burnt offering to their gods !

That's what Rothschilds and Co truly did and got away with in fact ! and who is the ones who supported all of this ? Hitler, Churchill and FDR !
The majority of people can not see it ! why because they are of this world in fact ! for you can say, what is a Burnt offering, idiot ! what is such for idiot ! Is it not for serving gods like Moloch in fact !

Where is a Burnt Offering worthy in Christ ? Non in fact ! so why would a christian support anything that was a Burnt offering ! seriously ! they can not be truly born again in fact !

Not to mention that if anyone is looking to the Jews to be Saved ? You are not worthy of Christ Jesus in fact ! because the Jews can noly be Saved in Christ Jesus ! but they reject him ! and they are looking for another ?

Now any Jew can be saved if they truly follow in Holy Moses !
But who can be Saved if you idolise the Talmud ? not one ! because such works are of Man.
Who can be saved in the so called Zionist Jews ? not one ! because such works are of Man.

Biblical Zion is Great ! but mans works Zion is not in regards Christ Jesus in fact !

 

[Aunty Jane]

God did foretell that they would be regathered and become a nation again. It didn't say they would be regathered in belief, that is yet to come. But reestablishing the nation of Israel is necessary for end-time events to play out.

Who was it that was gathered though? Who was Jesus sent to exclusively? To the religious leaders who had always led Israel astray…?….or was he sent only to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel”? (Matt 15:24) Why is that important? Because in all their history, Israel never obeyed their God for very long….they were always led astray by poor leadership. The “lost sheep” were lost because they had negligent shepherds.
The Jewish nation became incorrigible and God stopped sending his prophets to them some 300 years before their Messiah made his appearance, as the apostle Paul indicated.

Heb 1:1-4….ESV..
”Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.”

This was “the last days” of the Jewish system.
What is this passage telling us about Israel, if the one their God sent to save them was rejected and murdered by them?
What did Jesus say about his nation…..?
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’” See, your house is left to you desolate.” (ESV)

After almost 2000 years of resisting…no, blatantly opposing Jesus as Messiah, what makes anyone think that this nation of disobedient ones, has any place in his kingdom? The proviso placed on Israel accepting their assignment at Mt Sinai was that they continued to “strictly obey” their God…..something they never did in all their history.

God chose a new “Israel“…those who would accept his precious son as their savior, and continue the work that Jesus assigned to them. (Matt 28:19-20; Matt 24:14)
The “Israel of God” were no longer exclusively “Jewish” by birth, but were adopted as sons through faith and obedience.
God’s covenant was not broken, but he did change what it meant to be “Jewish”. Natural Jews always fell back on their relationship to Abraham, but what did the John B say to the Pharisees in Matt 3:9-10…?

“Do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children for Abraham from these stones. 10 The ax is already lying at the root of the trees. Every tree, then, that does not produce fine fruit is to be cut down and thrown into the fire.”

There was the warning….God was ready to cut that tree down…..and after the Jews did the unthinkable, he did.…why is that surprising?

The Book of Revelation revolves around Jerusalem and the Jewish people. Zechariah says that Jerusalem would be a stumbling block. None of that could have happened until 1948/1967. No one cared about Israel\Jerusalem until then.

Revelation alludes to a “new Jerusalem”, not the old one. Mt Zion too is presented as “heavenly”, not earthly.
What happened in ‘48/‘67 is a red herring…..the devil has people pinning their hopes on a hopeless nation of people who still hate Christians….who still deny Jesus as their redeemer.
Don’t hold your breath.

Is there any nation so pure and righteous? Has there ever been? Not in this fallen world. We have plenty who hate Christianity in our own nations. It seems that people hold Israel to a standard that no one else is held to. But one thing that sets them apart is God made an everlasting covenant with them (Actually, more than one, some of which were unconditional).

“The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one” (1 John 5:19)…so where does that leave any nation at all…..? None are ruled by God, only by “the God of this world” who has the power to “blind the minds of the unbelievers” (2 Cor 4:3-4)…..so who are the “unbelievers”? Perhaps they are the ones who don’t realize that they are blind to the truth, instead accepting satanic lies as their truth, and trying to justify all manner of teachings that they want to believe.

Does God’s spirit divide his people or should it unite them? If anyone believes that the divided mess that is Christendom somehow represents the teachings of Jesus Christ…..a grand shock awaits them. (Matt 7:21-23)

 

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One could aks, Who is Them ?

Like ok two Jews man and woman say full blood ? from what era ?

How can they be full blood ? the Semitic people or Tribes ? Well Gods People were only One Tribe of many Semitic Tribes in fact !

Hi, Reggie. The whole question of who is a Jew can get a bit murky. The orthodox view is that if the mother is Jewish, then the child is too, regardless of the father. I don't think it takes being 100% anything, and I don't claim to know how God sees it. But in the Book of Revelation, the sealed 144,000 are all Jewish if we take it literally, which I do. So, we can assume that God knows whether we do or not.

Now From what era do we start, that the so called everlasting covenant is all about ? but how and what is this covenant truly seriously truly all about ?

I'm not sure what you're asking here, but if we look at Genesis 17:7-8, it says, "And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you." Everlasting means everlasting. There are no time constraints or preconditions for this particular covenant.

The State was created from the workings of the Rothschild's in fact ! Not God in fact, but was the creation of the Rothschilds and they have said this openly on TV in fact, it was all their baby !

I've heard tons of conspiracy theories when it comes to Israel/Jews. When you say the Rothschilds created Israel, I think that's a stretch. It's true that at least some Rothschilds were in favor of a Jewish state, which isn't surprising since they are Jewish, but their role seems pretty limited. Lord Rothschild gets brought up a lot, but he was mostly just an intermediary between Chaim Weizmann, who advocated for a Jewish homeland, and Lord Arthur Balfour, who created the Balfour Declaration. But the Balfour Declaration didn't actually create anything. Israel exists because the Jews fought a war for it and won, period. I would also add that the desire for a Jewish homeland started well before World War 2, in the 19th century.

But let's just say for a moment it's true; God can and will work through evil people to accomplish His will. What other people intend for evil, He uses for good. Long before there was ever a Rothschild, God said the Jews would be scattered (Deu 28:64-65); that happened. He said they would be regathered (Eze 11:17); that happened. He said a nation would be born in one day (Isa 66:8); that also happened.

So, just consider this for a moment. Jews have faced thousands of years of discrimination, persecution, genocides, and attempted genocides throughout the ages. Yet while other ethnic groups like the Hittites, Jebusites, Edomites, and all the other “ites” of biblical times have perished, the Jews have remained. Not only have they survived but thrived. They've managed to retain their unique cultural identity without having a homeland for nearly 2,000 years, reestablish a nation, and revived the previously dead Hebrew language, the only ones to have successfully done so (Mark Twain once opined about that exact curiosity). So, what are the astronomical odds of that? Why is the whole world so focused and passionate about a tiny strip of land called Israel and a tiny minority called the Jews? I would argue it's not a coincidence at all.

Not to mention that if anyone is looking to the Jews to be Saved ? You are not worthy of Christ Jesus in fact ! because the Jews can noly be Saved in Christ Jesus ! but they reject him ! and they are looking for another ?

I've read other posts you've written, and I think we generally agree on most things. And I don't disagree that everyone needs Jesus, my contention is that God is not done with the Jews. If you want to understand my position, see here.

 

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After almost 2000 years of resisting…no, blatantly opposing Jesus as Messiah, what makes anyone think that this nation of disobedient ones, has any place in his kingdom?

I think Romans 11 answers that question. If God broke off the branch to graft us in, then he can easily graft them back in. Moreover, I believe prophetically this will happen. I'm going to quote myself from another thread:

Rom 11:1- 4 Paul clearly states that God is not done with the nation of Israel, making a distinction between the Church and Israel.
Rom 11:5-10 God chose a remnant from Israel; the rest he hardened their hearts and blinded them for a time (Otherwise, Christianity would have remained an insular Jewish sect.)
Rom 11:11 God brought salvation to the gentiles in part to provoke Israel to jealousy.
Rom 11:12-16 Israel will eventually accept God’s salvation, and their descendants will be holy.
Rom 11:17-22 Israel is the olive tree, and the gentiles are the branches. The gentiles were grated into the olive tree but does not replace it. The branches are not the root. For this reason, we shouldn’t become haughty because God can just as easily break us off.
Rom 11:23-24 God declares that if Israel turns from their unbelief, He has the power to graft them back into the tree.
Rom 11:25-36 Israel’s heart is hardened until the full number of Gentiles come to Christ. Ultimately, God, in his mercy, will take away their sins, and all Israel will be saved.

So, yes, currently the Jews are still in disobedience (although Messianic Jews are growing), but don't assume this will always be the case. God will deal with them at the appointed time. I would add, gentiles were and many still are in disobedience with God. We were just as undeserving as the Jews. Yet, in his grace, he made a way for us into his kingdom. So, why not them?

What happened in ‘48/‘67 is a red herring…..the devil has people pinning their hopes on a hopeless nation of people who still hate Christians….who still deny Jesus as their redeemer.

Are you implying that the devil created Israel? I think prophecy would dictate otherwise. And again, I don't know why Israel is singled out for hating Christians since there are people in every nation that hate Christians too.