God will never complete you, before He converts you (selah?)

[Gottservant]

Hi there,

So I have this simple thought for your edification

God will never complete you, before He converts you (selah)

In essence, God will always put the will of His Son (Jesus Christ) before the will of the Holy Spirit. This is because to be completed means that you need a foundation, and the only way to develop a foundation, is to be converted by Jesus. The world does not understand this. The world thinks "you have been converted and completed, I can just take part in your being completed". This is wrong. Jesus said "the wise virgins said 'get your own oil'" (paraphrase Gospels, from memory) and "don't give what's holy to the dogs" (again paraphrase Gospels, from memory).

We must take a stand against the world, that it will hear no more from us, until they have understood what has converted us, first. As Paul said "Follow me, as I follow Christ" (paraphrase letters, from memory). We can implore them, to listen to us, because our conversion has value, has meaning. There is power in this, because if we withhold our being completed, our being converted will grow in charge. The Holy Spirit, wants a "charged" conversion, one that is ready and active - hoping to save. The trouble is, that knowing the difference requires prayer and meditation. We should be praying that we have the strength to know the difference and empower the difference, between converting and completing.

Part of the situation with conversion and completion, is that conversion involves the Law - if we do not develop a conviction about the Law, then our soul will not know what it needs to be converted for. Likewise, if we expect works of completion because we are converted, we are creating a tradition that chokes the soul. Some tradition can be justified, simply because the Lord's burden is so easy and His yoke so light - but we have to remember that one day we will have to give it up - we will have to thank God, that we had it while it lasted. Going back to conversion then, we must trust that God will never beguile us, trap us, but that we knew the Law, before we were converted. The power of this is very simple, it means trusting God, that we will never be in a situation where our conversion is not good enough.

I hope this has been of some encouragement.

God bless.

 

[Scott Downey]

We have been perfected spiritually in our relationship with God

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Matthew 5:48
Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Hebrews 12
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the [j]general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Jesus made up perfect without sin to God. It is why we have eternal life.
Maybe what you should be thinking of is our sanctification.

Our sanctification is a process of our living down here in a sinful world.

1 Thess 4
Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God; 2 for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus.

3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6 that no one should take advantage of and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified. 7 For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. 8 Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who[a] has also given us His Holy Spirit.

A Brotherly and Orderly Life​

9 But concerning brotherly love you have no need that I should write to you, for you yourselves are taught by God to love one another; 10 and indeed you do so toward all the brethren who are in all Macedonia. But we urge you, brethren, that you increase more and more; 11 that you also aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you, 12 that you may walk properly toward those who are outside, and that you may lack nothing.

 

[Stumpmaster]

We have been perfected spiritually in our relationship with God

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Matthew 5:48
Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Hebrews 12
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the [j]general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Jesus made up perfect without sin to God. It is why we have eternal life.
Maybe what you should be thinking of is our sanctification.

Our sanctification is a process of our living down here in a sinful world.

1 Thess 4
Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God; 2 for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus.

3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5 not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6 that no one should take advantage of and defraud his brother in this matter, because the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also forewarned you and testified. 7 For God did not call us to uncleanness, but in holiness. 8 Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who[a] has also given us His Holy Spirit.

A Brotherly and Orderly Life​

9 But concerning brotherly love you have no need that I should write to you, for you yourselves are taught by God to love one another; 10 and indeed you do so toward all the brethren who are in all Macedonia. But we urge you, brethren, that you increase more and more; 11 that you also aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you, 12 that you may walk properly toward those who are outside, and that you may lack nothing.

In Christ we are perfected, in reality we await that state, as Paul discovered.

2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.

 

[Scott Downey]

In Christ we are perfected, in reality we await that state, as Paul discovered.

2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.

Yes, that is part of our sanctification process, that we work out down here. God helps us to be sanctified.
God does not tempt us. Those of the world tempt us to sin.

1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

Hebrews 4

Our Compassionate High Priest​

14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.

15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.


All my years down here, God has been my help. Gets me out of trouble. And keeps me in His love.