Should they sharpen sword

[My Dreams]

Unbelievers, have posted on social media to gather, attack Christians, with weapons kill everyone, assault woman children.

Should these believers sharpen sword and attack and kill these unbelievers if they attack. It's their own place village and houses but others with attack because they are believers.

Thank you!

 

[Debp]

Unbelievers, have posted on social media to gather, attack Christians, with weapons kill everyone, assault woman children.

Should these believers sharpen sword and attack and kill these unbelievers if they attack. It's their own place village and houses but others with attack because they are believers.

Thank you!

I think self defense is acceptable. If someone breaks into your home, you can defend your family and yourself.

 

[Rita]

Firstly I would report it to the authorities, the police or whatever you have in your area - can they do anything to stop the people who are inciting the attacks ?
Everyone has the right to defend themselves

 

[Debp]

Firstly I would report it to the authorities, the police or whatever you have in your area - can they do anything to stop the people who are inciting the attacks ?
Everyone has the right to defend themselves

If it's a village, they might not even have police. Also, some police might not care if Christians are attacked.

 

[Ritajanice]

I think Debp and Rita have summed it up nicely, Brother.

 

[My Dreams]

I think self defense is acceptable. If someone breaks into your home, you can defend your family and yourself.

Believers are in their own houses and villages but those who Wil attack believers are unbelievers and are from other places and other villages.

 

[My Dreams]

Firstly I would report it to the authorities, the police or whatever you have in your area - can they do anything to stop the people who are inciting the attacks ?
Everyone has the right to defend themselves

You know 300-400 people came together to attack dad, police was running after them. Dad went to the police van but the police told the crowd will pull and kill so better run away. Infront of police they came to kill dad and burnt our house.
Govt. knows everything and with their support and backing unbelievers attack believers.

Now someone is saying and posting to kill believers of 3 villages alo asking others to join.
The police should deploy police and arrest the one who is speaking against Christians but till now it is not happening so it's a serious matter now regarding complain they might have complained in their nearby police station.

In my home town state 2-3 persons are speaking against believers and encouraging to hit believers but no arrest no action so far.

I was to ask should believers kill these unbelievers who are planning to enter and kill believers?

 

[My Dreams]

If it's a village, they might not even have police. Also, some police might not care if Christians are attacked.

Believers have connections with police and others in government.

 

[quietthinker]

You know 300-400 people came together to attack dad, police was running after them. Dad went to the police van but the police told the crowd will pull and kill so better run away. Infront of police they came to kill dad and burnt our house.
Govt. knows everything and with their support and backing unbelievers attack believers.

Now someone is saying and posting to kill believers of 3 villages alo asking others to join.
The police should deploy police and arrest the one who is speaking against Christians but till now it is not happening so it's a serious matter now regarding complain they might have complained in their nearby police station.

In my home town state 2-3 persons are speaking against believers and encouraging to hit believers but no arrest no action so far.

I was to ask should believers kill these unbelievers who are planning to enter and kill believers?

do you think Jesus would kill them?

 

[Debp]

I was to ask should believers kill these unbelievers who are planning to enter and kill believers?

You only kill someone if you are defending your family and yourself. You do not go out to seek someone to kill. If you do that, you are becoming like those who want to kill you.

 

[Rita]

If it's a village, they might not even have police. Also, some police might not care if Christians are attacked.

Yes I realise that but there was no context , and the info was that it was happening on social media.
So , for me, the first port of call would be to go to the authorities. ( just as a matter of covering my bases )

 

[Rita]

I was to ask should believers kill these unbelievers who are planning to enter and kill believers?

Ok, if they are planning, but not doing , then ( personal opinion ) surely you would be classed as attacking them.
Self defence is usually if someone is actually physically attacking you , you have the right to defend yourself.

 

[Lambano]

do you think Jesus would kill them?

I hope everybody takes the time to think about what brother @quietthinker just wrote. The question is not easy.

Christians shouldn’t retaliate when persecuted specifically for their Christian faith but should take that as part of what God calls them to do to suffer for the sake of the testimony of the gospel. - Wayne Gruden

 

[Lambano]

This is from Dr. Michael Brown's "Should Persecuted Christians Defend Themselves?" It's a bit long, but I hope you'll take the time to read it.

1) The example of Jesus is against it. He went to the cross willingly and instructed His followers not to fight for Him (John 18:36). And He calls all of us to take up our own cross and follow in His footsteps (Matthew 16:21-26).

2) The example of the apostles and Christian history is against it. According to tradition, all but one or two of the apostles died as martyrs, and none of them resisted crucifixion or beheading or stoning or drowning. This has been the pattern of church history, to the point that Tertullian famously remarked that the blood of martyrs was the seed of the church. Could you imagine Paul leading an armed revolt against Rome to stop the killing of the followers of Jesus, many of whom were burned alive as torches to entertain the emperor?

3) Jesus explicitly taught against fighting back. In the Garden of Gethsemane, shortly before His crucifixion, He told Peter to put down his sword, explaining that all who lived by the sword would die by the sword (Matthew 26:51-54).

4) The entire testimony of the New Testament is against us violently fighting against our persecutors. Instead, we are called to pray for them (Matthew 5:43-48), we are described as lambs going to the slaughter (Romans 8:35-39; 1 Peter 2:21-23), we are promised persecution (2 Timothy 3:12; John 15:18-20), and only those who suffer with Jesus will reign with Him (Romans 8:16-18). Great is their reward in heaven (Matthew 5:10-12).

5) Jesus told His disciples that if they were persecuted in one city, they should flee to another (Matthew 10:22-25). He could have given military alternatives as well, but He did not.

6) If you do fight back, where do you draw the line? We still have not lived down the bad reputation of the Crusades (even if some of the infamy is exaggerated), and once you get into the military mindset, it’s very hard to know where to draw the line. Perhaps pre-emptive strikes are needed? Perhaps an offensive campaign is called for to offset the next campaign against us? Perhaps our violence will end up being no better than the violence that was used against us?

 

[Lambano]

I can (and will) tell a brother or sister in Christ not to retaliate against their persecutors. I cannot in good conscience tell another believer not to defend themselves, their family, or their brothers and sisters in Christ against a direct attack. (There's a reason for the 9mm Sig tucked in my waistband - and why I have trained to use it. But I could be wrong, too.) We will all have to make that decision if and when the time comes - and it may be coming for us sooner than we think. I hope the Holy Spirit will guide us should it happen (Matthew 10:16-22).

 

[talons]

Unbelievers, have posted on social media to gather, attack Christians, with weapons kill everyone, assault woman children.

Should these believers sharpen sword and attack and kill these unbelievers if they attack. It's their own place village and houses but others with attack because they are believers.

Thank you!

You and the other Christians should be ready and able to defend yourself .

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[Debp]

I hope everybody takes the time to think about what brother @quietthinker just wrote. The question is not easy.

There is a difference between retaliation and self defense. If someone breaks into your home and is going to kill your family and yourself, you can defend yourself.

 

[Nancy]

This is from Dr. Michael Brown's "Should Persecuted Christians Defend Themselves?" It's a bit long, but I hope you'll take the time to read it.

Hello brother!
What do you say about this verse:

Luke 22:36
"36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!"

 

[Lambano]

There is a difference between retaliation and self defense. If someone breaks into your home and is going to kill your family and yourself, you can defend yourself.

I know. Like I said, I carry concealed (with a state permit, of course, to any BATF agents who may be monitoring this forum), and we have (legal) weapons at home. And I realize that as an older woman who lives in California (which is notoriously restrictive on gun ownership), you're definitely more vulnerable.

One of the Bible teachers that I respect carries a .45 (he lives in Florida; he can do that), and he teaches that biblically, we can defend ourselves against ordinary street crime. (Were I to argue against that, I would quote Luke 6:29b, If someone takes your coat, give them your shirt too.) But if we're being killed for following Jesus, we're called to do what Jesus did. And a lot of the 1st-century martyrs did just that.

Do I have the faith to allow someone to kill me and my family for the sake of Jesus and the Gospel? I don't know.

 

[Lambano]

Hello brother!
What do you say about this verse:

Luke 22:36
"36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!"

That happens to be verse I brought up in a church council meeting where we were discussing training an armed security team. This was right after the church shooting in Texas. Our pastor at the time was totally against guns in the Sanctuary, though we had taken down the NC "No Weapons" placard that made it illegal by state law to have a gun inside the building.

The Conference had a paid consultant evaluate our church's security needs. His judgement was that, given our location and demographics, we'd get better bang for the buck if we had a defibrillator and other medical equipment, and a team trained to handle medical emergencies. So far, the scorecard reads, Heart Attacks 2, Armed Killers 0.

(But our new pastor gave the Sweet Lady permission to pack her revolver in church, just in case. I just wish she'd carry her Glock 48 instead of the wheel gun.)