Believing on Christ is a evidence of being born again !
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Give a reason why John 12:42 is not evidence that belief alone is not evidence of being born again.
They believed in Jesus yet were not born again.
dont need to, you just made a off the wall comment, worthless. Believers may experience times of weakness and fear, Peter was a believer but in a time of weakness denied Christ. Does that mean he wasnt born again ? No
Brakelite
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The following might go a way to explain his policies over event times...
You do need to if you are going to convince me you are right.
You must explain why those Jews who believed in Jesus yet were not saved does not disprove your belief that belief is evidence of being born again.
Nothing off the wall about my question.
I'm using a perfect Biblical example that shows error in your reasoning.
Hey You!
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It's easy; the demons believed and trembled. Their belief was not evidence they were Saved...
It's a waste of time to argue about it...
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The demons are not men.
John 12 :42 you have men who are believers yet unsaved.
This disproves the doctrine that belief is proof of salvation.
There are going to be many that believe but will be shocked on judgment because they were taught belief alone equates to salvation.
Matthew 7:21
Ronald David Bruno
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The "Prince Hall Freemasons" honored Joe, but it doesn't mean he joined or accepted a certificate. It has long been prohibited for Catholics to join the Freemasons and a grave sin.
To Biden, it is just a photo opportunity to be honored by any organization after America kicked him to the curb and the day before he would be disgraced and dishonored at Trump's Inauguration.
This is really meaningless.
Those who are truly born of God cannot continue to practice sinning.throughout their lives. " By their fruit you will know them". He is a son of the Father of Lies. Joe was a puppet for and member of the Globalist WEF and the yet unrevealed Antichrist. They aren't honoring Joe, he failed them big time. He probably already forget this event. Next year he might not remember he was president.
Posting to you is being a spammer?
Basically this means that everyone on this forum would have to be banned for spamming !
Go count the times I've posted to you.....do it.
I've posted more to some members here since I've been here than to you in these two years you speak of.
You should calm down BF.
And t ake what you espouse seriously and reply to members that wish to engage.
Instead of calling them spammers.....
(which has a very specific meaning on these forums).
NotTheRock
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Agreed on all.
My comment was that to please (or be saved, can't remember right now) God we must
believe in Him and obey Him.
Every item on your list above requires OBEDIENCE.
So, yes, agreed.
It was an off the wall comment, believing in Christ is still an evidence of one having been born again
I can't go all the way back so I'm just responding to the above.
You're right that belief alone will not save a person.
I know persons that believe God exists,,,but they are not saved.
Two points:
1. BELIEVE in the greek has a very specific meaning. It does NOT mean to believe mentally but to believe
with the heart and spirit...the soul, I should say.
It means to have trust and to have faith in and to follow in the ways of the person in whom you believe.
2. The NT states that belief is not enough...we must also obey.
John 3:36
36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
And Jesus said:
Matthew 7:21
21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
A person must believe,,,,believe implies obedience.
Sola Fide is not biblical teaching.
…and we know that belief is through FAITH in Christ. Jesus paid the price so that the lost could be cleansed and justified upon repentance.
Galatians 2:16 (NKJV) “knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Ronald David Bruno
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Technically, none of the disciples were born again until Pentecost came and then they were baptized by the Holy Spirit.
Hey You!
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Yes and No; they were first Indwelt at Pentecost, but before this Jesus said Nicodemus needed to be Born Again...
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Ronald David Bruno
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Of course, belief cannot be just an empty proclamation, belief in Christ means you obey Him, die to yourself and follow Him.
Concerning this verse ...
Matthew's gospel is clearly written for a Jewish Christian audience living within the immediate proximity of the homeland itself. The Book of Matthew is the most Jewish of all the gospels.
MATTHEW opens with a geneology, pointing the Jews to their Messiah based on their history. Throughout their nation, Jewish Christians continued to meet on the Sabbath, but also met on the Lord's Day, more popular for the Gentiles.
The point is, when Judgment Day comes, Jews who did not have a relationship with Jesus, who were not born again, will use that argument ...
Matthew 7:22-23 says, "On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness'".
Think about this passage. Gentiles, folks of other religions or no religion would not make that claim.
So Jews _ who did not receive Christ _ did not do the will of the Father, which is to believe in Christ.
Jews, who lived under His Law and their generations _ for thousands of years _ may try to reason with Him. "We did this, we did that ... why can't we get into heaven?"
Now, faithful Jews before Christ's 1st Coming did believe in the Messiah. Those who lived by faith, Christ's righteousness is imputed to them. But when He came, only a remnant believed it was actually Him, the rest did not and remained lost.
According to Romans 11, a remnant population of the Jews will be saved when He comes, but not all.
That was a teaching for Him and for everyone, a spiritual state that had not yet been realized. He was preparing Nicodemus, who I believe when Pentecost came, was eventually born again. Nicodemus was a Pharisee, but a secret believer, which is why he met Jesus at night - a bit skeptical and not wanting to draw attention to himself yet until he was sure.
I agree Ronald.
But those that post about Faith Alone mean that ONLY faith is needed for salvation.
They usually are against works of any kind.
Right.
Correct!
It's a good interpretation Ronald.
I also like what the ending states....Jesus says WHO will not be allowed into heaven:
YOU WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS.
So, yes, we can call on His name all we want to...
if we are lawless (do not obey the commandments) Jesus will not recognize us as His own.
Interesting catch....
Agreed.
Amen.
Those who know about Christ...but do not accept Him,
are indeed not doing the will of the Father.
Right.
I'll have to say here that I believe Nicodemus was born again after he met Jesus.
He went to Him to learn and I believe N did learn from our Lord.
Correct.
Good post....Not much to add .
Belief alone never guarantees salvation in the Bible.
Faith onlyism is unbiblical.
No one in the old or new testament believed or taught you were saved if you only believed.
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