ROMANS: CHRIST DIED FOR US

[LoveYeshua]

We already covered this but thats ok ....cant remember everything just like me

Acts 15:7 was recounting Acts 10 starting in v34

[Act 10:10, 43 KJV] 10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, ... 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Peter was preaching the name of Jesus

[Act 10:10, 45 KJV] 10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, ... 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The Gentiles there believed......not Paul's gospel.....they believed on the name of Jesus that he was Christ the Son of God

yes it is like i said God appointed Peter to preach to the gentiles any by His words about Jesus, they believed and received the Holy Spirit.

Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Doug]

Doug, here is the proof of what I say that Jesus disciples understood and knew all this before Paul, Like I said before you focus so much on Paul that you have forgotten the words of Jesus.

The disciples fully understood Jesus' death and resurrection after He rose from the dead and appeared to them. Even though Jesus told them multiple times that He would die and rise again (Matthew 16:21, Mark 9:31, Luke 18:31-34), they did not comprehend it at the time.

After the Resurrection, when Jesus appeared to them after rising from the dead, He explained everything again, and their minds were opened.

Luke 24:44-45 – "Then He said to them, ‘These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.’ And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures."​

When they saw the empty tomb and Jesus alive, at first, they doubted, but when they saw Him alive, they started to believe.

John 20:8-9 – "Then the other disciple, who came to the tomb first, went in also; and he saw and believed. For as yet they did not know the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead."


Luke 24:36-39 – Jesus appeared to them and showed His hands and feet to prove He was alive.​

When Jesus explained it to them again on the road to Emmaus, Jesus walked with two disciples and explained why He had to suffer and rise again.

Luke 24:25-27 – "Then He said to them, ‘O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?’ And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself."​

To fulfill prophecy, the Scriptures had already foretold that the Messiah would suffer, die, and rise again.

Isaiah 53:5 – "But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed."​

To take away sin, His death was the ultimate sacrifice for sin.

Matthew 26:28 – "For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

John 1:29 – "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"​

To defeat death and give eternal life, by rising from the dead, He proved that death had no power over Him and that believers could also have eternal life.

John 11:25 – "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live."​

To show the way to God, His death and resurrection opened the path to salvation.

John 14:6 – "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."​

The disciples finally understood the purpose of Jesus' death and resurrection when He appeared to them after rising from the dead and explained everything again. Their understanding was complete after He opened their minds to the Scriptures, showing them that His sacrifice was necessary to fulfill prophecy, take away sin, defeat death, and bring eternal life.

I hope You believe this that they knwe and understood. it is all from scripture and are the Words of Jesus who is One with GOD.

it appears to me that Jesus opened their understanding in regard to what was written in the prophets concerning his death and resurrection....as I said earlier he spoke of his death and resurrection to the disciples but not what it would accomplish in taking away sin...to say he told them that his death and blood would take away sin is not in the verses...if they knew he died for sin they never preached it even in book of Acts

 

[Doug]

the many are in reality a few and so far toy belong in the many that do not listen to god here is what jesus said;

Do you agree with what I wrote from scripture about the disciples knew jesus would die and why and understood it before Paul?

I await confirmation. before I continue with anything.

I understand what you are saying but as I posted I dont agree that they knew what his death accomplished.....that was revealed to Paul

 

[Doug]

yes it is like i said God appointed Peter to preach to the gentiles any by His words about Jesus, they believed and received the Holy Spirit.

Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter didnt preach his death for sins here

 

[Doug]

The many are those who follow him and obey the commandments,

I need to correct myself.....Jesus in the verse below did say his blood was for remission of sin

[Mat 26:28 KJV] 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

It still remains who are the many

 

[LoveYeshua]

it appears to me that Jesus opened their understanding in regard to what was written in the prophets concerning his death and resurrection....as I said earlier he spoke of his death and resurrection to the disciples but not what it would accomplish in taking away sin...to say he told them that his death and blood would take away sin is not in the verses...if they knew he died for sin they never preached it even in book of Acts

yes he did so explain all of this;




Jesus speaks repeatedly about His death and its purpose in His teachings, especially in the Gospel of John. Early on, John the Baptist calls Jesus "the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world" (John 1:29). This sets the tone for Jesus’ mission: He comes as the ultimate sacrifice, the fulfillment of the Old Testament sacrificial system, to take away sin—not just for one person or one group, but for all.


As His final days draw near, Jesus speaks openly about His impending death. In John 12:27-32, He reflects on His troubled soul, knowing that the time for His death has come. He acknowledges that His suffering is the very reason He came into the world, and He makes it clear that His "lifting up" on the cross will draw people to Himself, offering salvation to all. In this moment, He connects His death directly to the fulfillment of God's plan to save humanity.


In John 10:11, Jesus describes Himself as the Good Shepherd who lays down His life for the sheep. This is a clear reference to His sacrificial death, explaining that He is willing to give His life to protect and save His followers. He repeats this in verse 15, emphasizing that His death is voluntary—it’s an act of love, not something imposed upon Him.


At the Last Supper, Jesus makes a powerful statement about the purpose of His death when He takes the cup of wine and says, "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins" (Matthew 26:28, Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20). By this, He is explaining that His death will bring forgiveness and establish a new relationship between God and humanity. His blood will be the means by which sins are forgiven, a price paid for redemption.


In Mark 10:45 (also Matthew 20:28), Jesus explicitly states, "The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." In saying this, He likens His death to a ransom—a payment made to set people free. Jesus sees His death as the necessary cost to redeem humanity from the power of sin and death.


Earlier, in John 6:51, Jesus says, "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." Here, He connects His body, which would be broken on the cross, to eternal life. His death is the means by which He offers life to the world, just as bread sustains physical life.


In Matthew 16:21 (and the parallels in Mark 8:31 and Luke 9:22), Jesus begins explaining to His disciples that His death is inevitable. He tells them that He must go to Jerusalem, suffer, and be killed, and He stresses that His death is part of God’s divine plan. It is not a random tragedy but something that has been ordained for the salvation of the world.


Through all of these teachings, Jesus makes it clear that His death is not just a personal sacrifice, but the central act through which the forgiveness of sins, salvation, and a new relationship with God are made possible. His sacrifice will provide redemption, break the power of sin, and offer eternal life to all who believe in Him.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Peter didnt preach his death for sins here

what they all said, the 12 is not all recorded perfectly but they obeyed Jesus who told them to teach all he did and say to all the world so I am certain they did as they obeyed Jesus because they believed in him

 

[Doug]

The many are those who follow him and obey the commandments,

Hebrews tells us who the many more than likely are
[Heb 9:15 KJV] 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
The many are Israel
Jesus redeemed the transgressions of Israel under the first covenant
Paul revealed he died to forgive all

 

[LoveYeshua]

Peter didnt preach his death for sins here

yes he did in acts;

One of the clearest examples of the disciples preaching the significance of Jesus' death for the forgiveness of sins comes from Peter's sermon on the Day of Pentecost. In Acts 2:22-24, Peter declares that Jesus, "a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs," was handed over by God's deliberate plan. He then says, "you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death." Later in Acts 2:38, Peter calls for repentance and baptism for the forgiveness of sins: "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins." This shows that Peter connected Jesus’ death directly to the forgiveness that comes through repentance and faith.

Later, in Acts 5:30-31, when Peter is standing before the Sanhedrin, he again proclaims that Jesus’ death and resurrection are essential to salvation. He says, "The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from the dead—whom you killed by hanging him on a cross. God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins." In this, Peter is again teaching that Jesus' death was central to God’s plan for forgiveness.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Hebrews tells us who the many more than likely are
[Heb 9:15 KJV] 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
The many are Israel
Jesus redeemed the transgressions of Israel under the first covenant
Paul revealed he died to forgive all

if what you say is true and I assure you that it is not, it means that only Israel is redeemed iodf sins n the eyes of GOD and that no one else is saved, that you say makes no sense at all. you do not agree with anything that I provide from scripture.

I abandon you to your false doctrines and we shall speak no more. there is no point to continue, when you are before Jesus in Judgment like everyone, you wont be able to say I did not know as it is clearly written.

 

[Doug]

Later in Acts 2:38, Peter calls for repentance and baptism for the forgiveness of sins: "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins." This shows that Peter connected Jesus’ death directly to the forgiveness that comes through repentance and faith.

Jesus's death was not said to forgive sins but baptism was....once again his name is in view

[Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Doug]

if what you say is true and I assure you that it is not, it means that only Israel is redeemed iodf sins n the eyes of GOD and that no one else is saved, that you say makes no sense at all. you do not agree with anything that I provide from scripture.

I abandon you to your false doctrines and we shall speak no more. there is no point to continue, when you are before Jesus in Judgment like everyone, you wont be able to say I did not know as it is clearly written.

Before we go allow me the courtesy to one last response

Only Israel was redeemed is true but that was not limited to Israel.....Jesus revealed his death and blood was also applied to us all

 

[LoveYeshua]

Before we go allow me the courtesy to one last response

Only Israel was redeemed is true but that was not limited to Israel.....Jesus revealed his death and blood was also applied to us all

I am glad you see the truth of it.

Blessings.

 

[Doug]

I am glad you see the truth of it.

Blessings.

Let me clarify
Jesus said the new testament blood was for the remission of sins for many
I think the many was Israel based on scripture

[Isa 53:8 KJV] 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Jesus was killed for the transgressions of "my people" Israel Hebrews 9:15

[Jhn 10:15 KJV] 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Jesus laid down his life for the sheep........who are the sheep?

[Isa 53:6 KJV] 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

The sheep are the many,,,,the sheep is who Jesus laid down his life......Israel are the sheep whose iniquity was laid on Jesus

 

[Doug]

I am glad you see the truth of it.

Blessings.

Jesus revealed his death and blood was also applied to us all

I must clarify this was revealed by Paul

 

[LoveYeshua]

Jesus revealed his death and blood was also applied to us all

I must clarify this was revealed by Paul

No as i explained, revealed in prophecy in the O.T. Jesus fulfilled these prophecies, jesus revealed it all to the disciples, after his resurection jesus sent the 11 to all the world to say all they saw and learned for 3 yeard spent with jesus.

 

[locust]

Let me clarify
Jesus said the new testament blood was for the remission of sins for many
I think the many was Israel based on scripture

[Isa 53:8 KJV] 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Jesus was killed for the transgressions of "my people" Israel Hebrews 9:15

[Jhn 10:15 KJV] 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Jesus laid down his life for the sheep........who are the sheep?

[Isa 53:6 KJV] 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

The sheep are the many,,,,the sheep is who Jesus laid down his life......Israel are the sheep whose iniquity was laid on Jesus

''Jesus laid down his life for the sheep........who are the sheep?''

Jesus has two different flocks ,one is small in number ,the other huge like the drops of water that fall from the clouds

 

[Doug]

''Jesus laid down his life for the sheep........who are the sheep?''

I just posted this here on this topic

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JESUS DIED FOR THE MANY, WHO ARE THE MANY?

 

[Doug]

Jesus has two different flocks ,one is small in number ,the other huge like the drops of water that fall from the clouds

[Luk 12:32 KJV] 32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

The little flock is the believing remnant of Israel who will reign in the earthly kingdom on earth with Christ

 

[LoveYeshua]

''Jesus laid down his life for the sheep........who are the sheep?''

Jesus has two different flocks ,one is small in number ,the other huge like the drops of water that fall from the clouds

Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. (Luke 12:32)​

Jesus speaks to His followers, calling them a "little flock," a small group, but reassures them that God is pleased to give them the kingdom. This highlights the intimate and faithful group of believers who are following Christ.

I have other sheep that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd. (John 10:16)​

Here, Jesus speaks of "other sheep," referring to people outside the original group of Jewish followers — the Gentiles (non-Jews). He promises that they, too, will be brought together into one unified flock under His leadership.

The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field. Though it is the smallest of all seeds, when it is grown, it is greater than the herbs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and rest in its branches. (Matthew 13:31-32)​

This parable illustrates how the kingdom of God begins small — like a mustard seed — but grows to something much larger. The "birds" represent people from all nations and backgrounds who will eventually come to faith in Christ, making the flock vast and diverse.

As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return there without watering the earth and making it bring forth and bud, so that it may give seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; it shall not return to Me void, but it shall accomplish what I please, and it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it. (Isaiah 55:10-11)

Just as rain nourishes the earth to make it grow, God's word will spread and grow, accomplishing His purpose. This imagery emphasizes the certainty that the message of Jesus will reach people everywhere, nourishing their hearts and bringing them into His flock.

After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands.
(Revelation 7:9)​

In this vision of heaven, the vastness of God's people is revealed. A great multitude of believers from every nation and background stands before God, representing the fulfillment of God's promise that His flock would grow to include all people, from every corner of the earth.

In this passage, we see the picture of Jesus' "little flock" expanding over time to include many others. The kingdom starts small but grows beyond measure, drawing people from all over the world. God's word will not fail, and eventually, a great multitude of believers will gather under Christ's care, unified in His love.