There will be a Judgement day, and all will be called to account for all the words and actions, need to reflect on that when you make these accusation's.
How to Test the Spirits?
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GREEK TERMS FOR TESTING AND THEIR CONNOTATIONS
There are two Greek terms in all their forms that have the connotation of testing, trying, or tempting someone for a purpose.
Dokimazō, Dokimion, Dokimasia
This term is a metalurgist term for testing the genuineness of something (i.e., metaphorically someone) by fire (see SPECIAL TOPIC: FIRE). The fire reveals the true metal and burns off (i.e., impurities) the dross. This physical process became a powerful idiom for God and/or Satan and/or humans testing others. This term is only used in a positive sense of testing with a view towards acceptance (see SPECIAL TOPIC: GOD TESTS HIS PEOPLE [OT]).
It is used in the NT of testing
oxen ‒ Luke 14:19
one's life ‒ 1 Cor. 3:13
ourselves ‒ 1 Cor. 11:28
believers approved by God ‒ 2 Cor. 10:18; 1 Thess. 2:4
even God ‒ Heb. 3:9; 1 Pet. 1:7
our faith ‒ James. 1:3
spiritual messengers or prophets ‒ 1 John 4:1
The outcomes of these tests were assumed to be positive (cf. Rom. 2:18; 16:10; 2 Cor. 10:18; 13:3,7), therefore, the term conveys the idea of someone examined and approved
to be worthwhile
to be good
to be genuine
to be valuable
to be honored
Peirazō, Ekpeirizō, Peirasmos, Peirasmo
This term often has the connotation of examination for the purpose of fault finding or rejection. It is used in connection to Satan's tempting Jesus in the wilderness (cf. Matthew 4; Luke 4).
It conveys the attempt to trap Jesus (cf. Matt. 4:1; 16:1; 19:3; 22:18, 35; Mark 1:13; Luke 4:2; Heb. 2:18).
This term (peirazōn) is used as a title for Satan in Matt. 4:3; 1 Thess. 3:5 (i.e., "the tempter"; see SPECIAL TOPIC: SATAN).
Usage
It was used by Jesus warning humans not to test God (cf. Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12, [or Christ cf. 1 Cor 10:9]).
It also denotes the attempt to do something that has failed (cf. Heb.11:29).
It is used in connection with the temptation and trials of believers (cf. 1 Cor. 7:5; 10:9, 13; Gal. 6:1; 1 Thess. 3:5; Heb. 2:18; James. 1:2, 13, 14; 1 Pet. 4:12; 2 Pet 2:9).
In Hebrews 3:9 they are both used in their distinctive senses. Words have meaning only in contexts!
Hope this is helpful
SPECIAL TOPIC: GREEK TERMS FOR TESTING AND THEIR CONNOTATIONS
Greek Terms for Testing -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).
www.freebiblecommentary.org
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Ronald Nolette
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Didn't say be afraid I said the judgments are horrendous and they are! Some will even affect the tribulation saints, and I do not think they will be dancinf for joy
Well a believer need not worry as they are in Gods hands and no fire, flood, pestilence will cut their connection to God and they will be joyful to see the signs of His soon coming...
Ronald Nolette
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Of course not! but it can be a very painful experience while it is going on. I think of our brethren show were dipped in wax and then lit as tiki torches for Neros Garden parties. they knew their relationship and destiny were secure but still experienced untold pain until they went home.
Matthew suffered martyrdom in Ethiopia, killed by a sword wound.
Mark died in Alexandria, Egypt, after being dragged by horses through the streets until he was dead.
Luke was hanged by idolatrous priests on an olive tree in Greece as a result of his tremendous preaching to the lost.
John faced martyrdom when he was boiled in a huge basin of boiling oil during a wave of persecution in Rome. However, he was miraculously delivered from death. John was then sentenced to the mines on the prison island of Patmos. He wrote his prophetic Book of Revelation on Patmos. The apostle John was later freed and returned to serve as Bishop of Edessa in modern Turkey. He died as an old man, the only apostle to die peacefully.
Peter was crucified upside down on an x-shaped cross because he told his tormentors that he felt unworthy to die in the same way that Jesus Christ was crucified.
James the Just, the leader of the church in Jerusalem, was thrown over a hundred feet down from the southeast pinnacle of the Temple when he refused to deny his faith in Christ. When they discovered that he survived the fall, his enemies beat James to death with a fuller's club. This was the same pinnacle where Jesus went to during his Temptation.
James the Greater, a son of Zebedee, was a fisherman by trade when Jesus called him to a lifetime of ministry. As a strong leader of the church, James was ultimately beheaded at Jerusalem. The Roman officer who guarded James watched amazed as James defended his faith at his trial. Later, the officer walked beside James to the place of execution. Overcome by conviction, he declared his new faith to the judge and knelt beside James to accept beheading as a Christian.
Bartholomew, also know as Nathanael, was a missionary to Asia. He witnessed to our Lord in present day Turkey. Bartholomew was martyred for his preaching in Armenia when he was flayed to death by a whip.
Andrew was crucified on an x-shaped cross in Patras, Greece. After being whipped severely by seven soldiers they tied his body to the cross with cords to prolong his agony. His followers reported that, when he was led toward the cross, Andrew saluted it in these words: "I have long desired and expected this happy hour. The cross has been consecrated by the body of Christ hanging on it." He continued to preach to his tormentors for two days until he expired.
Thomas was stabbed with a spear (lance) in India during one of his missionary trips to establish the church in the subcontinent.
Jude, the brother of Jesus, was killed with arrows when he refused to deny his faith in Christ.
Matthias, the apostle chosen to replace the traitor Judas Iscariot, was stoned and then beheaded.
Barnabas, one of the group of seventy disciples, wrote the Epistle of Barnabas. He preached throughout Italy and Cyprus. Barnabas was stoned to death at Salonica.
Paul was tortured and then beheaded by the evil Emperor Nero in Rome in A.D. 67. Paul endured a lengthy imprisonment which allowed him to write his many epistles to the churches he had formed throughout the Roman Empire. These letters, which taught many of the foundational doctrines of Christianity, form a large portion of the New Testament.
Yet you find many were glad to and gave their lives willing and singing praises to God, how can that be....?
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