When Jesus Came out the Grave, he was Born Again.

[bro.tan]

John 1:
1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 10:
[17] Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

God is a mystery…until one Learns the manners, orders and ways of How The Mighty Invisible God has “purposed” in Himself to Communicate with His Created and Made manKIND of beings….and such manKIND of beings TRUST to BELIEVE His order and ways.

Glory to God,
Taken

I agree with the verses, but are you agreeing or disagreeing with the point?

 

[bro.tan]

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To national Israel at the 2nd coming of Christ...

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.



Our teency inclusion into a portion of their future promise...

1. Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

That's it. That's all the church is included into per the future promise of Jer 31/Heb 8.

And it is a partial, dark glass experience on top of that.

We now see through a dark, obscure lens and the gifts are only partial per 1 cor 13.

The best is yet to come when Jesus returns.


Post 436

Paul quoted from Jeremiah, which is true, but it's not a snap of the finger. You have to add what Paul says in Romans 2: 11 for there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

 

[Truther]

Paul quoted from Jeremiah, which is true, but it's not a snap of the finger. You have to add what Paul says in Romans 2: 11 for there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

That is nothing to do with what I sent you. Paul has been telling the church through the epistles that they are only in a partial, dark glass experience and not in the fullness of the fulfilled promise. It’s like groping in the darkness and finding a miracle occasionally. Even partial Experience with the gifts of the spirit. The writer of Hebrews is telling them that we only inherit a tiny fraction of the promise to future national Israel. We are included in a minor, pre-millennial experience and a partial, dark glass experience. That is the scripture passages that I sent you. That’s what they are saying.
The only covenant there is is to the fathers of national Israel about their future descendants. No Gentiles included. So we have been grafted into a small portion of their future covenant that will be fulfilled when Jesus Christ returns to save them at the end of the great tribulation.

 

[Taken]

I agree with the verses, but are you agreeing or disagreeing with the point?

I believe the Scriptures.

Your Point;
“When Jesus Came out the Grave, he was Born Again.”

Literally… believe that? No.

I believe Jesus’ prepared “body”, was a Visual example For human men who could “NOT” believe….BY “hearing”…and “required” A Visible, example….which the “Invisible God”, promised to provide, and by, through, of Gods Power and Wisdom, sufficiently fulfilled…
AND…Jesus “the Teacher”…gives God the “credit” and the “man”; the “reward”.

It is the similar method Adults use to Teach little children (even animals)… speaking a command, lowering themselves to the “students” eye level, and giving the “student” a visual “example” of the “teachers” desired “response”…. And…the “reward”…for accomplishing the command.

Understanding IS: While the “Teacher” IS making himself…A physical example…
The teacher…never “literally” IS the “Child, the animal, ie. “The Student”.

Glory to God, <—- ie. (giving God the credit),
Taken

 

[bro.tan]

I believe the Scriptures.

Your Point;
“When Jesus Came out the Grave, he was Born Again.”

Literally… believe that? No.

Then you don't believe the Scriptures concerning this topic.

I believe Jesus’ prepared “body”, was a Visual example For human men who could “NOT” believe….BY “hearing”…and “required” A Visible, example….which the “Invisible God”, promised to provide, and by, through, of Gods Power and Wisdom, sufficiently fulfilled…
AND…Jesus “the Teacher”…gives God the “credit” and the “man”; the “reward”.

It is the similar method Adults use to Teach little children (even animals)… speaking a command, lowering themselves to the “students” eye level, and giving the “student” a visual “example” of the “teachers” desired “response”…. And…the “reward”…for accomplishing the command.

Understanding IS: While the “Teacher” IS making himself…A physical example…
The teacher…never “literally” IS the “Child, the animal, ie. “The Student”.

Glory to God, <—- ie. (giving God the credit),
Taken

 

[bro.tan]

That is nothing to do with what I sent you. Paul has been telling the church through the epistles that they are only in a partial, dark glass experience and not in the fullness of the fulfilled promise. It’s like groping in the darkness and finding a miracle occasionally. Even partial Experience with the gifts of the spirit. The writer of Hebrews is telling them that we only inherit a tiny fraction of the promise to future national Israel. We are included in a minor, pre-millennial experience and a partial, dark glass experience. That is the scripture passages that I sent you. That’s what they are saying.
The only covenant there is is to the fathers of national Israel about their future descendants. No Gentiles included. So we have been grafted into a small portion of their future covenant that will be fulfilled when Jesus Christ returns to save them at the end of the great tribulation.

That's not true, Gentile can become spiritual Israelites and partake in the lord's promises. Let's tip toe far in the future in Ezekiel 47: 21 So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel. 22 And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. 23 And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.

Paul said in Ephesians 2: 11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 - And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

 

[ScottA]

All threw Christian dome brothers and sisters we hear the term born again. You will hear people in the churches, on the street, at work, even in jail, making the statement, "since I have been born again. For those who have any knowledge in the word (Holy Scriptures) will understand that this just isn’t the case, because born again is a change in the body not in the mind. Now Paul says in Romans 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Now this is a pretty simple lesson brother and sisters, pay close attention to what’s being said.

Now, Let’s jump right in a conversation that Jesus was having with a man name Nicodemus. John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this. Remember there is a time for everything.

Nicodemus asked a very good question. Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

Notice: what Jesus does in these next few verses. Remember, this is after His resurrection.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family, Jesus was Born Again.

I am coming in late on this one, but the premise is correct.

"Following" Jesus in the way He made manifest of His own life, and what He said regarding being born again--do not disagree, but do indeed agree.

The confusion, and I am sure it is a point of contention, comes from the fact that Jesus man manifest the physical and the spiritual--both physically. Not because they both are physical--but because if He did not show it as physical, the spiritual part would not be visible. Meaning no revelation of what is actually true.

Incidentally, the same is true regarding Jesus' ascension into a cloud and returning in "like manner." The key word here, is "like"--in other words, He would not return in the "same" manner, but only "like" what was seen and made manifest visibly for revelation. But please/sorry, I don't mean to get us off track.

 

[Truther]

That's not true, Gentile can become spiritual Israelites and partake in the lord's promises. Let's tip toe far in the future in Ezekiel 47: 21 So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel. 22 And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. 23 And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.

Paul said in Ephesians 2: 11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 - And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

We are not spiritual Israelite because we cannot lay claim to their future promise. We are only included in a very small portion of it. That’s why you can’t mix the old and New Testaments. The Old Testament Israel is under the order of Aaron and we are under the order of Jesus per Melchizedek.

 

[Taken]

Then you don't believe the Scriptures concerning this topic.

Your assessment is in error.

This Topic…

“When Jesus Came out the Grave, he was Born Again”

One Written Word…
* Human…understanding of Scripture
And
* Spiritual…understanding of Scripture
Two different things

God-
Omnipresent
Omnipotent
Omniscience

Without Beginning, Invisible God-
His Body, Soul, Spirit, Word, IS God

Created and Made, ManKIND-
His Body, Soul, Spirit, Word, IS manKIND

God;
*can NOT change and Become “NOT” God.”

God;
*CAN…”APPEAR” in ANY “GOOD / RIGHTEOUS” IMAGE AS God Desires.

God;
Purposed “IN” Himself…
For “His” Word..
To “Occupy” A BODY, God “PREPARE”
And “SENT” TO Earth.

God named that prepared Body.
God ”Declared” that BODY…
To Be..A Son…
OF...Abraham
OF…Isaac
OF…Jacob / Israel
OF… King David
OF….Joseph/Mary (of the house of David)
OF…God

God “Offered” manKIND…
Per Gods “ORDER and WAY”
AN OPTION: (when and how)
To Freely CHOOSE,
To become: MADE, DECLARED…
A “son of God”.

The ORDER…
Jews First…Gentiles Last…
Gentiles First…Jews Last

Father First…Son Last
Son First…Father Last

The WAY…
Offering…Taking
Offering…Rejecting

* Little by little…bit by bit…Knowledge From God is REVEALED TO manKIND…
In the ORDER, WAY, MANNER, the Creator and Maker Himself, Determines, Decides, Executes….
* According TO His Own Council, His Own Will, His Own Pleasure, His Own Desired Inheritance.

God Does NOT “Reproduce” Offsprings…
God “DECLARES” His “offsprings”.

God Does NOT “Become” the Created…
God CAN “APPEAR AS” the Created…when and to whom…is His Pleasure

Gods Word of Truth has BEEN Revealed to created manKIND…from the beginning, in multiple fashions and manners. …expanding to the whole world.

No one can Begin at the Beginning, Go Step by Step, Bit by Bit, Hear, Read, Learn, Study, Believe, Understand FOR You.


IF….
* You believe, Gods word IS God,…
* You believe, Jesus IS Gods Word…

* DO YOU Believe…
Gods Word Died?
Gods Body Died?
Gods Soul Died?
Gods Spirit Died?…as you claim…

“When Jesus Came out the Grave, he was Born Again”

?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[bro.tan]

Your assessment is in error.

This Topic…


One Written Word…
* Human…understanding of Scripture
And
* Spiritual…understanding of Scripture
Two different things

God-
Omnipresent
Omnipotent
Omniscience

Without Beginning, Invisible God-
His Body, Soul, Spirit, Word, IS God

Created and Made, ManKIND-
His Body, Soul, Spirit, Word, IS manKIND

God;
*can NOT change and Become “NOT” God.”

God;
*CAN…”APPEAR” in ANY “GOOD / RIGHTEOUS” IMAGE AS God Desires.

God;
Purposed “IN” Himself…
For “His” Word..
To “Occupy” A BODY, God “PREPARE”
And “SENT” TO Earth.

God named that prepared Body.
God ”Declared” that BODY…
To Be..A Son…
OF...Abraham
OF…Isaac
OF…Jacob / Israel
OF… King David
OF….Joseph/Mary (of the house of David)
OF…God

God “Offered” manKIND…
Per Gods “ORDER and WAY”
AN OPTION: (when and how)
To Freely CHOOSE,
To become: MADE, DECLARED…
A “son of God”.

The ORDER…
Jews First…Gentiles Last…
Gentiles First…Jews Last

Father First…Son Last
Son First…Father Last

The WAY…
Offering…Taking
Offering…Rejecting

* Little by little…bit by bit…Knowledge From God is REVEALED TO manKIND…
In the ORDER, WAY, MANNER, the Creator and Maker Himself, Determines, Decides, Executes….
* According TO His Own Council, His Own Will, His Own Pleasure, His Own Desired Inheritance.

God Does NOT “Reproduce” Offsprings…
God “DECLARES” His “offsprings”.

God Does NOT “Become” the Created…
God CAN “APPEAR AS” the Created…when and to whom…is His Pleasure

Gods Word of Truth has BEEN Revealed to created manKIND…from the beginning, in multiple fashions and manners. …expanding to the whole world.

No one can Begin at the Beginning, Go Step by Step, Bit by Bit, Hear, Read, Learn, Study, Believe, Understand FOR You.


IF….
* You believe, Gods word IS God,…
* You believe, Jesus IS Gods Word…

* DO YOU Believe…
Gods Word Died?
Gods Body Died?
Gods Soul Died?
Gods Spirit Died?…as you claim…



?

Glory to God,
Taken

Not one verse or Scripture

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I am coming in late

That's fine... just don't start "coming out"

 

[Taken]

Not one verse or Scripture

And … what is your point other than…
You are not familiar with Basic Scriptures…
Nor able answer Basic questions regarding your own belief….and not qualified to Comprehend or assess an others Belief…

Your Statement…

When Jesus Came out the Grave, he was Born Again.

Basic Scriptural Knowledge…

* Born Again applies To ManKinds “spirit”.
* Jesus was NOT “of” This World.
* Jesus Came From His WORLD, His Kingdom TO “This World”…
* Jesus “APPEARED”, IN THIS World… AS A man…IN a BODY…God “PREPARED”.
* Jesus “RETURNED” TO His WORLD, HIs KINGDOM.
* Jesus Sacrificed His PREPARED “BODY”…
Not His Body,
Not His Soul.
Not His Spirit.

John 1:
[6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 18:
[36a] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:

Rom 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Phil 2:
[8a]And being found in fashion as a man…

Phil 2:
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Heb 13:
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

AS does Not mean “IS”.
Being “EQUAL” TO God, IS Being GOD.
Gods Word “IS” God.
John 1:1
Gods Power “IS” God.
1 Cor 1:24
God NAMED His Word…JESUS.
…Luke 2:4. Phil 2:9)
God TITLED His Power…CHRIST.
1 Cor 1:24

Where were YOU…
* in the Beginning WHEN…
God Created AND Made?
* WHEN Gods’ WORD SAID…?
* WHEN Gods’ SPIRIT moved…?
Gen 1:1….1:2…1:3

Bigger QUESTION…IN the Beginning OF creating and Making “THIS WORLD”…
WHERE was Gods’ WORD….JESUS?
WHERE was Gods SPIRIT..POWER..CHRIST?

As before…I have no expectation for you to answer questions or Scripturally reveal …Jesus’ Spirit WAS Required or WAS “born Again”.

Jesus, WHILE ON EARTH… “using” or “NOT using” His Power…Does NOT “mean” He was Lacking IN “SUPREME Power”…that ONLY such power APPLIES TO God.

You have the “power” to commit…lies, deceit, murder, suicide , robbery, quote others…whether or not you actually DO those things.
You do NOT have the Power…
To restore souls, quicken spirits, forgive Sin, give humans everlasting Life…

That Power Belongs TO God ALONE…
And “ding, ding, ding…
Jesus Christ, Sitting IN His Kingdom (Not of This World)…IS the Word and Power which DOES those Things!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[bro.tan]

And … what is your point other than…
You are not familiar with Basic Scriptures…
Nor able answer Basic questions regarding your own belief….and not qualified to Comprehend or assess an others Belief…

Your Statement…


Basic Scriptural Knowledge…

* Born Again applies To ManKinds “spirit”.
* Jesus was NOT “of” This World.
* Jesus Came From His WORLD, His Kingdom TO “This World”…
* Jesus “APPEARED”, IN THIS World… AS A man…IN a BODY…God “PREPARED”.
* Jesus “RETURNED” TO His WORLD, HIs KINGDOM.
* Jesus Sacrificed His PREPARED “BODY”…
Not His Body,
Not His Soul.
Not His Spirit.

John 1:
[6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 18:
[36a] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:

Rom 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Phil 2:
[8a]And being found in fashion as a man…

Phil 2:
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Heb 13:
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

AS does Not mean “IS”.
Being “EQUAL” TO God, IS Being GOD.
Gods Word “IS” God.
John 1:1
Gods Power “IS” God.
1 Cor 1:24
God NAMED His Word…JESUS.
…Luke 2:4. Phil 2:9)
God TITLED His Power…CHRIST.
1 Cor 1:24

Where were YOU…
* in the Beginning WHEN…
God Created AND Made?
* WHEN Gods’ WORD SAID…?
* WHEN Gods’ SPIRIT moved…?
Gen 1:1….1:2…1:3

Bigger QUESTION…IN the Beginning OF creating and Making “THIS WORLD”…
WHERE was Gods’ WORD….JESUS?
WHERE was Gods SPIRIT..POWER..CHRIST?

As before…I have no expectation for you to answer questions or Scripturally reveal …Jesus’ Spirit WAS Required or WAS “born Again”.

Jesus, WHILE ON EARTH… “using” or “NOT using” His Power…Does NOT “mean” He was Lacking IN “SUPREME Power”…that ONLY such power APPLIES TO God.

You have the “power” to commit…lies, deceit, murder, suicide , robbery, quote others…whether or not you actually DO those things.
You do NOT have the Power…
To restore souls, quicken spirits, forgive Sin, give humans everlasting Life…

That Power Belongs TO God ALONE…
And “ding, ding, ding…
Jesus Christ, Sitting IN His Kingdom (Not of This World)…IS the Word and Power which DOES those Things!

Glory to God,
Taken

Oh, so you don't believe that Jesus was born flesh. I agree with you that Jesus was God and is God, but he was born the Son of Man, in the flesh. Let's go into Luke 1: 26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

So this is the birth of Jesus, born of a women. Now I hope we agree that angels don't die, this is why Jesus was made a little lower then angels. Paul says in Hebrews 1: 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Jesus wasn't born Spirit, he was born flesh. We know flesh dies. Paul also says in 1 Corinthians 15: 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means. In John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit? Angels where born spirit being, man and beast are born flesh and blood. There will be no flesh in the Father Kingdom, only spirit beings, so everyone must be born again. Only Jesus in his thousand year reign will have both, which includes the first resurrection.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

Notice: what Jesus does in these next few verses. Remember, this is after His resurrection.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

 

[Taken]

Oh, so you don't believe that Jesus was born flesh.

IF I believed that…I would have said that (which I did not)… and You could have Quoted me…(which you did not).

The Point was about…UNDERSTANDING…
(Carnally, thinking Jesus was A Human (as some people have REDUCED the Lord to an impossible mathematical equation…
of 100% human and 100% God.)

The Spiritual UNDERSTANDING…IS:
* God IS Spirit…with no Beginning.
* God IS Supreme POWER.
* God does NOT change.
* Created Spirits HAVE the (Given from God) “POWER” to APPEAR in the Body “LIKENESS” AS a human man.
* No “Created” being Has Power GREATER than God.
* God …since the Beginning of His Creation, HAS “APPEARED” to manKIND…IN bodily “Forms”, human men could SEE…..WHILE Gods OWN Body Remained “INVISIBLE” to ManKinds EYES.
* Gods OWN “Word” (who IS God)…was “PREPARED” a Body…For Human manKind to See.
* Gods “OWN” Spirit…Remained “INVISIBLE” and “UNCHANGED”…..
In Heaven..On Earth…(Omnipresent)
In the Prepared Body of Flesh…ON Earth…

No His Spirit “was not Born “Again”.
Yes, He GAVE that Flesh body to Death.
Yes, He raised up to Life that dead Body.
Yes, He , by a visual Example, revealed to human mens EYES…The POWER, “Of possibility”, “Of Gods Offering” FOR mankind…IF and WHEN …
GODS’ POWER…dwells “IN” a human man.

Such Human man, shall be raise up Living…By the Lord : Lamb : Word : Christ : Power of God….at a SPECIFIC time.

And Human men “WITH”…God…but not “IN” Christ..shall BE raised up by Gods POWER…at a DIFFERENT specific time.

Jesus” Prepared Flesh Body is Key.
Jesus equal with God is Key.

If you do not understand Spiritually…reason in your mind…EQUAL is the SAME.

Phil 4:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[bro.tan]

IF I believed that…I would have said that (which I did not)… and You could have Quoted me…(which you did not).

The Point was about…UNDERSTANDING…
(Carnally, thinking Jesus was A Human (as some people have REDUCED the Lord to an impossible mathematical equation…
of 100% human and 100% God.)

The Spiritual UNDERSTANDING…IS:
* God IS Spirit…with no Beginning.
* God IS Supreme POWER.
* God does NOT change.
* Created Spirits HAVE the (Given from God) “POWER” to APPEAR in the Body “LIKENESS” AS a human man.
* No “Created” being Has Power GREATER than God.
* God …since the Beginning of His Creation, HAS “APPEARED” to manKIND…IN bodily “Forms”, human men could SEE…..WHILE Gods OWN Body Remained “INVISIBLE” to ManKinds EYES.
* Gods OWN “Word” (who IS God)…was “PREPARED” a Body…For Human manKind to See.
* Gods “OWN” Spirit…Remained “INVISIBLE” and “UNCHANGED”…..
In Heaven..On Earth…(Omnipresent)
In the Prepared Body of Flesh…ON Earth…

No His Spirit “was not Born “Again”.
Yes, He GAVE that Flesh body to Death.
Yes, He raised up to Life that dead Body.
Yes, He , by a visual Example, revealed to human mens EYES…The POWER, “Of possibility”, “Of Gods Offering” FOR mankind…IF and WHEN …
GODS’ POWER…dwells “IN” a human man.

Such Human man, shall be raise up Living…By the Lord : Lamb : Word : Christ : Power of God….at a SPECIFIC time.

And Human men “WITH”…God…but not “IN” Christ..shall BE raised up by Gods POWER…at a DIFFERENT specific time.

Jesus” Prepared Flesh Body is Key.
Jesus equal with God is Key.

If you do not understand Spiritually…reason in your mind…EQUAL is the SAME.

Phil 4:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Glory to God,
Taken

In all fairness the Bible support more of what I'm saying then what you saying. I agree Jesus is equal with God, but when he came in the flesh he wasn't equal with God. The book say he was made a little lower then the angels. Is that equal with God to you? You only believe what you want to believe out the Bible.


peace in Jesus name

 

[Taken]

In all fairness the Bible support more of what I'm saying then what you saying. I agree Jesus is equal with God, but when he came in the flesh he wasn't equal with God. The book say he was made a little lower then the angels. Is that equal with God to you? You only believe what you want to believe out the Bible.

Phil 2:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

If you take upon yourself…A Coat, the Coat can be seen, but not your body.

Phil 2
[6] Who, being in the form of God,thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Jesus taking upon Himself the prepared Body…was what men saw…
But Phil 2:6…just informed you WHAT FORM was under that “prepared Body”.

peace in Jesus name

Thank you, same to you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BarneyFife]

So the creator of the ant farm became an ant himself....really

Many preachers of the Gospel use precisely this illustration.

I've taken it a little further, myself:

The ant farm becomes a super colony of an asian species which can contain as many as 300 million worker ants—AND THEY TORMENT AND KILL HIM.

So your illustration isn't fantastic enough.

Neither is mine, really.

Good to see you, by the way.

 

[APAK]

Many preachers of the Gospel use precisely this illustration.

I've taken it a little further, myself:

The ant farm becomes a super colony of an asian species which can contain as many as 300 million worker ants—AND THEY TORMENT AND KILL HIM.

So your illustration isn't fantastic enough.

Neither is mine, really.

Good to see you, by the way.

And same to you BF...great to hear from you...

 

[WalterandDebbie]

All threw Christian dome brothers and sisters we hear the term born again. You will hear people in the churches, on the street, at work, even in jail, making the statement, "since I have been born again. For those who have any knowledge in the word (Holy Scriptures) will understand that this just isn’t the case, because born again is a change in the body not in the mind. Now Paul says in Romans 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Now this is a pretty simple lesson brother and sisters, pay close attention to what’s being said.

Now, Let’s jump right in a conversation that Jesus was having with a man name Nicodemus. John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this. Remember there is a time for everything.

Nicodemus asked a very good question. Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

Notice: what Jesus does in these next few verses. Remember, this is after His resurrection.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family, Jesus was Born Again.

Great post bro.tan, How are you all? We are well, Have you viewed: Our Website? Our Faith and Belief Site

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[bro.tan]

Great post bro.tan, How are you all? We are well, Have you viewed: Our Website? Our Faith and Belief Site

Love, Walter And Debbie

Praise the Lord in Jesus name....I agree, very good Knowledge and understanding.