Trump vying for Greenland and Canada

[Ronald David Bruno]

President Trump calls Don Jr. during event in Greenland to tell the people why it should become part of America​

“I Think it is a Great Idea. 51st State!!!” – President Trump Continues Calls for Annexation of Canada​

I'm not sure what Trump's gameplan is here with Greenland and Canada. Perhaps, it's an extension of the Monroe Doctrine, and he's trying to separate the spheres of influence between Western hemisphere and the Eastern hemisphere. Not just divesting the America's from Europe's influence but also from China's influence. This would make sense with his recent comments about the Panama Canal. If he can pull any of this off it will be unprecedented.

This will not happen with Canada. I think he plants a seed of unity, for purposes of future cooperation, business deals, etc. A common business strategy is to invite a client into your home, break bread, make them feel like family, then it is easier to get them to cooperate.
Same with Greenland.
As far as Panama goes, they may need money.

 

[Wrangler]

I asked you to expound on what you meant in my first post to you this morning. You dodged it! You wouldn't expound in the least.

Specify. What set of posts and which of my replies did you feel insufficiently expounded?

 

[Wrangler]

That's not what we are saying here. God's wisdom is that we "may use the things of this world" as long as we don't set our hearts on them

Here, we disagree. Over compensating is over spiritualizing. Guarding too much against what is red. There’s nothing wrong with wanting your material needs met - and acting to meet them.

 

[Wrangler]

Of course we as a free nation should be proud of success! Success comes AFTER thinking through the elements to achieve success. Enter Greenland.

Will you please explain what you meant?

I think my explanation was perfectly clear. So, let me ask some clarifying questions that may allow the conversation to move forward. What’s wrong with the US pursuing success? What’s wrong with expanding our security perimeter to include Canada, Greenland and the Panama Canal.

 

[Triumph1300]

Good luck with rebuilding California without Canadian Lumber.
Good luck paying higher prices on Mexican fruit and veggies.
Good luck with paying 25% higher cost on crude oil from Canada.
Good luck with paying higher prices on Chinese products at Walmart and Costco.
Good luck with empty shelves in your stores.
Good luck with shortages and unemployment.
Good luck with your "name it and claim it" prosperity preachers.

 

[MA2444]

I think my explanation was perfectly clear. So, let me ask some clarifying questions that may allow the conversation to move forward. What’s wrong with the US pursuing success? What’s wrong with expanding our security perimeter to include Canada, Greenland and the Panama Canal.

Nah it was as clear as mud.

There's nothing wrong with the US pursuing success, but to harp on the materialistic part and call the spiritual part overdone or ugly is a mistake.

 

[Wrangler]

Nah it was as clear as mud.

There's nothing wrong with the US pursuing success, but to harp on the materialistic part and call the spiritual part overdone or ugly is a mistake.

Harp on the materialistic part?! What is this thread about? Trump vying for Greenland and Canada. It's only one thread! There is no harping on it. If you don't want to discuss it, participation in threads is voluntary. If you don't feel called to contribute to Christian Nationalism, then don't. Otherwise, you are just being obstructionists. Stay in your lane.

We can disagree. I've seen over-spiritualization in Christianity for too long now, particularly in the area of politics. Many shun Christian Nationalists, on misguided principles. And the pathetic Strawman argument to "seek God first" (or as you put it, don't harp on it) is false witness, plain and simple. It's really not an argument at all. Over-spiritualization is ugly for it is dehumanizing, denies human material nature and human material need. Here is the exchange in context.

That Greenland part of the USA, if it happens, will benefit Greenland far more as Canadians don't EVER want to join the US, and the way I see it Canadian pride gets in the way, when really, they have little to be proud about. I think it's more likely for Greenland to join the US than Canada. Seeing most are Inuit, it is not too likely unless they actually experience personal greed (as in more money and higher standard of living) over staying independent, poor and backward and undeveloped. Some of their concerns are they are Inuit, and they don't want to lose their 'Inuit-ness', their cultural identity.

One of the interests of USA is exploiting Greenland's resources, oil, gas, minerals, and indigenous peoples often don't want that to happen.

it sounds as though you consider money and size are things to be "proud" about, rather than seeking to govern and live by Christian virtues.

Here again the ugly over-spiritualization of Christianity shows itself, abandoning the soulful needs of people.

The purpose of business is to make money, profit. On this, we are all of the same religion. The purpose of government is security. Thus, business economics and government are bedfellows.

Of course we as a free nation should be proud of success! Success comes AFTER thinking through the elements to achieve success. Enter Greenland.

There is no Christian virtue that opposes any of this for Christ said to give into Caesar what is Caesar’s.

Again, what is this thread about? Trump vying for Greenland and Canada. To oppose that on overly spiritualized grounds is the mistake, is missing the mark, is the sin.

 

[Triumph1300]

2 Timothy 3:1-5 King James Version (KJV)​

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
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That sums it up.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

As far as Panama goes, they may need money.

Panama is being taken over by communist china and if we don't do something to stop it soon, American shipping will not be allowed to use the canal.

Good luck with rebuilding California without Canadian Lumber.
Good luck paying higher prices on Mexican fruit and veggies.
Good luck with paying 25% higher cost on crude oil from Canada.

We have more than enough resources to produce these items here in the US which will create jobs and tax revenue.

 

[MA2444]

Again, what is this thread about? Trump vying for Greenland and Canada. To oppose that on overly spiritualized grounds is the mistake, is missing the mark, is the sin.

But it isn't Trump, it is the Lord.

 

[Wrangler]

But it isn't Trump, it is the Lord.

It’s neither! It’s tending to our soulful needs, needs of the body, material needs. Just because one believes in God does not mean one doesn’t have to eat, sleep, drink water, and have a sense of physical and financial security.

 

[Triumph1300]

But it isn't Trump, it is the Lord.

For some here it seems Trump is Lord.

 

[Wrangler]

For some here it seems Trump is Lord.

Yea, another false witness. Loyalty is mocked today.

 

[MA2444]

It’s neither! It’s tending to our soulful needs, needs of the body, material needs. Just because one believes in God does not mean one doesn’t have to eat, sleep, drink water, and have a sense of physical and financial security.

Our soulful needs are spiritual no matter how you slice it.

There was a politician one time, I forget his name but he lied and tried to get it passed as the truth that there is a separation of church (the Lord) and State. You in fact can not separate the two because it is the Lord who puts Kings and Presidents in power.

So it baffles me how you are saying that somehow bringing God into poilitics is ugly and wrong, and you couldn't be further from the truth. Sorry of I upset you today but if you think the President runs the country, then you're mistaken!

And I'm not positive but I'd bet that every war that has ever been fought on earth was a religious war. You can separate church and state if you choose to but doing that will lead you into error.

 

[Wrangler]

Our soulful needs are spiritual no matter how you slice it.

Wrong. Totally wrong. The spirit does not have a physical body but the soul does. If you don't differentiate the 2, that's fine. It's like we're talking different languages but using the same words. I'm done with this exchange.

 

[MA2444]

Wrong. Totally wrong. The spirit does not have a physical body but the soul does. If you don't differentiate the 2, that's fine. It's like we're talking different languages but using the same words. I'm done with this exchange.

The spirit doesn't have a body but the soul does? Oh they are different alright but they are connected inside of our flesh body.

Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.../KJV

And no one said you have to be at home for 20 hours a day in dwelling prayer. We need to go out into this world at times. Many days in fact. But exactly what were you trying to say? Because it sounded like you said, but when I go out into the world for ploitics or to go make money to feed my family that...that's not God's business, I'm tending to my and my family's needs...? Is that what you said? Because if you did, then you are worng my friend.

Matthew 4:4
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.../KJV

That's a huge statement if you think about it. Besides, what are you afraid of? God getting in the way when you at the grocery store? You don't have to adopt a Rabbis walk, that slow walk with the hands folded and you don't have to wear a hood. To take the Lord with us and walk with Him is as easy as carrying Him in my heart. It is our heart that He speaks His still small voice to us. So the Lord doesn't get in the way, He is the way.

So it's not that people like me are over spiritualized, but that you my friend, are under spiritualized? And yeas it is spooky at times! Not logical at all, but then we were also (commanded) to not lean upon our own understanding, just to acknowledge Him and walk with Him in His ways...

I'm no expert at it but I'm learning.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

What Trump has been saying comes across are totaly retarded regarding Cananda taking over Nations !
But their must be much more to it all in fact ! it's not just about what the MSM is playing, for sure ! why would he say such things ?
Like To who is he truly saying such to in fact ?

Well for one, maybe he knows something that we the masses do not truly know about ?

Like WW3 ! in fact !

Now the reality is for some years, that the world has never been so close to WW3 in fact !
Now who does not know this is a fact !

I see that the War on Israel was totaly created by Socialist within Israel, they let it happen in fact ! and Joe Biden and Co pushed and created it all so as to take place in fact !
I seen this Game take place when Biden the Traitor to the USA in all that he did in Afghanistan, that was all so retarded spastic act !
That also undermined everything that was done by USA Defence Force in drag Afganistan out of the control of such morons hands !
All them people were killed in our Defence Forces For Nothing ! That's a fact ! Such as Biden truly Sold out our People for a Joke !

I said it as soon as Biden pulled out like that, That Israel is Bidens true Target ! with his Socialist so called Jewish mates in fact, who let it all happen. not to mention all of the tactics that the Socialist did in trying to undermine Israels PM Ben, and still are playing this stupid idiot hand !
It's the Political Party that is under attack ! from Socialist world wide in fact ! Just look at the idiot moronic display of the MSM it's all full of BS !

Then we come to Ukraine with a total BS idiot War once again ! and the MSM with totaly one sided total BS lie after Lie nonsense ! all wrapped up to make it all look the way they want to look !

The average person in the West knows nothing much of Ukraine People in fact and nor could they truly care less in fact !
It's all a non issue in fact and the only issue is, what the TV claim says is an issue !
The first number one Fact is that the People in East Ukraine were rejected their rights to Vote !
That is the reason why War came, as Putin's hand had been forced to enter this War in fact !
What right did the UN have to claim such Voting rights was Ilegal ?
So the UN created the War ! because it was an idiot ! how did the UN come to this claim ? Money from Who, too force such a stupid intent to rise !
When the roll of the UN Job was set up as a body, so not to start Wars in fact ! but it did cause War ! I see corruption was afoot !
Why the hell creat a War in Ukraine ? It's Stupid ? as the People have no gain to be made at all in fact from such a nonsense ! but who does gain from such a War ? That's is the real thing that should be answered ?

Now who created the China that we see that has taken place over the years ?
Socialist and far right greed driven idiot traitor Capitalist did, so as to play the people !
China has been playing the art of War games under the carpet in fact ! and it's all been let happen !
Communist China has no regards it's own people in fact ! they are used to an ends period.
The quality of standard's the average People in China is not the agenda as such could easy be risen much higher ! but for the carpet War played by the Communist, they want to dominate over the whole world and the Socialist in the West etc only aid all such !

The Communist and Socialist ends is to kill 8 in 10 people in the World and dominate over everyone like a mongrel mutt !
Communism is great for that ends as History shows.

Now Trump, what is he truly saying in all of this we hear truly ?
Looks like he is setting the USA up so as not to fail ! and deal with the enemy streight up ! not to mess with the USA or else !
Why ? it maybe to show his hand ! like in a game of cards one does ? So as to stop them in their tracks ! he is truly saying, Not on Trumps watch you bastards !

 

[Scott Downey]

US bringing Greenland into the US sphere

MSN

Article snip

As Donald Trump makes his return to the White House, he is poised to shatter long-held taboos, particularly those surrounding territorial expansion. Trump has, for example declared the acquisition of Greenland an "absolute necessity" for U.S. national security, boldly challenging Denmark's legal claim to the Arctic island and insinuating that, if such a claim holds, Copenhagen must relinquish control for the greater good of the United States—and by extension, the West. Trump has also referred to Canada as the 51st state, spoken of reclaiming the Panama Canal, and even suggested renaming the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America—remarks that are seen as part of his negotiation playbook.


Yet when it comes to Greenland, the discourse transcends concessions on immigration, trade, or Chinese influence and focuses on the bold prospect of territorial expansion, a fact that Danish officials are treating with the gravity it deserves. This new seriousness was unmistakably reflected in the Danish foreign minister's remarks. "We are open to a dialogue with the Americans on how we can possibly cooperate even more closely to ensure that the American ambitions are fulfilled," Foreign Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen stated—a response that, in its measured tone, signals the deepening seriousness with which Denmark now regards this bold shift in U.S. foreign policy.

The idea of acquiring Greenland is not a recent development; it has been part of American diplomatic discourse since the 19th century. In 1867, Secretary of State William H. Seward, fresh from his triumph in negotiating the purchase of Alaska from Russia, sought to add Greenland to the American fold. U.S. interest in Greenland persisted throughout the 20th century. In 1910, the U.S. made another attempt to purchase it, and in 1946, made a bid of $100 million. Denmark rejected both offers. During World War II, as Denmark succumbed to Nazi occupation, the United States intervened to ensure Greenland remained beyond the reach of Nazi Germany. In doing so, it transformed the world's largest island into a de facto U.S. protectorate, anchoring Greenland firmly in America's strategic orbit, while Washington decisively rejected any attempts by Britain and Canada to assert control over the island.


Greenland's geopolitical significance is rooted in its vast natural resources and strategic position in the Arctic. As Arctic ice continues to melt due to climate change, Greenland's rare earth minerals, oil, and gas reserves are becoming more accessible. Its prime location for new shipping routes further amplifies its growing importance, particularly as the U.S. and other nations compete for influence in the region.

The retreat of Arctic ice also opens new shipping lanes that could reshape global trade patterns. These include the Northwest Passage, which weaves through Canada and Greenland, and the Northern Sea Route along Russia's Arctic coast. In the summer of 2018, Arctic sea ice reached its sixth-lowest level on record, signaling a trend toward an ice-free Arctic in the coming decades. For shipping, the implications are profound: new routes could reduce travel distances between Europe, Asia, and North America by up to 50 percent, potentially bypassing the Panama and Suez Canals and slashing transit times and fuel costs.


Greenland's importance isn't just about natural resources or shipping lanes, however. It's also about countering the influence of Russia and China. Russia has been particularly active in the Arctic, revamping Cold War-era military installations, building new icebreakers, and extending its claims over parts of the Arctic seabed. In 2007, it planted a titanium flag on the Arctic seabed at the North Pole, symbolizing its claim to parts of the Arctic continental shelf. The construction of new bases, airfields, and radar installations followed. Russia now operates over 40 icebreakers—vital assets in navigating and patrolling the icy Arctic waters.

 

[Lizbeth]

This will not happen with Canada. I think he plants a seed of unity, for purposes of future cooperation, business deals, etc. A common business strategy is to invite a client into your home, break bread, make them feel like family, then it is easier to get them to cooperate.
Same with Greenland.
As far as Panama goes, they may need money.

Threatening a nation's sovereignty so you can steal their natural resources doesn't make them feel all neighbourly and family-like, I assure you. That's always a scenario in which other things get broken between nations, not bread.

Unless DT is just nipping our heels to try and make Canada feel threatened on purpose so we'll get busy beefing up our neglected military here....that might be a possibility. It badly needs doing, and the incoming Conservatives plan to do it in any case.....most Canadians badly want it done. Except that undermining the Canadian economy with stiff tariffs would only make that harder and take longer to do. Not to mention a tariff war is bad for both economies as past experience with that already has proved.

 

[Wrangler]

As Donald Trump makes his return to the White House, he is poised to shatter long-held taboos, particularly those surrounding territorial expansion.

Exposing the Cultural Marxist ploy to shame great countries because they are great. It is axiomatic in economics that resources flow to the best user. (Not a Christian virtue, just a law of economics, @Lizbeth.)

It is not the natives in America who came to Spain and were mistaken for gods in fullfilment of prophecy for Stone Age people with no written language using sticks and stones for weapons living during the time of the Renassaince with explosions of inventions, including production of high grade steel, the printing press, and other advanced technology.

This new seriousness was unmistakably reflected in the Danish foreign minister's remarks. "We are open to a dialogue with the Americans on how we can possibly cooperate even more closely to ensure that the American ambitions are fulfilled," Foreign Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen stated—a response that, in its measured tone, signals the deepening seriousness with which Denmark now regards this bold shift in U.S. foreign policy.

The idea of acquiring Greenland is not a recent development; it has been part of American diplomatic discourse since the 19th century. In 1867, Secretary of State William H. Seward, fresh from his triumph in negotiating the purchase of Alaska from Russia, sought to add Greenland to the American fold.

1867. Not a Trump idea!

Greenland's rare earth minerals

Here is where the rubber meets the road of acting to ensure national security - or not. Greenland is the only country in the world that can match China's rare earth mineral deposits, needed for high tech weapons, satelites and related support electronic systems.

In addition, its location expands our security perimeter, like Hawaii and Alaska did in WWII. Even though those territories were not States (at the time), they still served the security perimeter purposes. While Pearl Harbor gets the attention, few realize there were Japanese troops in Alaska's Aleutian Islands, making their way to the mainland. If not in our influence, Japan could have invaded from the north.

It is a dangerous world. The choice is to guard against or be overcome by it.