DOES NO ONE WANT TO BE CORRECTED?

[pepper]

I am a longtime presence here of open confession and testimony. Wherein I have made no secret of my calling, except to not specifically say what is true of me without qualification. I have however, openly and publicly given my qualifications in detail, the sum of more than a few books, even revealing my God given purpose witnessed of me in the biblical record.

So, yes, I have been offering and continue to offer correction, as it has been given to me to do so--by God, which is written. Of which many who apparently do not know how this sort of thing works, reject. But the real point is--that these times were foretold to be, and now are, times of great apostacy; and because there is a common core of accepted doctrine--most have believed what is not true, but a "lie."

I'm newish here.

I looked at your profile and went to your website where you advertise your books.

This part of your post shocked me.
". I have however, openly and publicly given my qualifications in detail, the sum of more than a few books, even revealing my God given purpose witnessed of me in the biblical record.

You make it sound like you are prophesied of in scripture.

 

[ScottA]

I'm newish here.

I looked at your profile and went to your website where you advertise your books.

This part of your post shocked me.
". I have however, openly and publicly given my qualifications in detail, the sum of more than a few books, even revealing my God given purpose witnessed of me in the biblical record.

You make it sound like you are prophesied of in scripture.

Welcome pepper!

I am not making statements lightly. In fact, I studied, and trained, and waited upon the Lord in silence of His restraint for nearly 40 years, until the restraint was removed in the fulness of time. But don't expect me to give witness to myself. I've said enough.

Also, I don't claim anything as being of myself. History unfolds in spite of peoples involvement. This very thing was revealed to me, by being the least of three, two of which I know would have been better for what has been given to me. Without God, I am a nobody. I understand this to be due to God's intent on showing that no man is able of his own doing to accomplish anything--that none should boast.

Even so, it is all written and coming to pass.

 

[Scott Downey]

.......but what is THE lie?
THE lie must be able to to be identified otherwise how would you know it's a lie?

The lie of the world which opposes and exalts itself above God (Christ)

About God sending delusions, this also happened in the Old Testament times as well as the New.

Isaiah 66

Thus says the Lord:

“Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
Where is the house that you will build Me?
And where is the place of My rest?

2 For all those things My hand has made,
And all those things exist,”
Says the Lord.
“But on this one will I look:
On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit,
And who trembles at My word.

3 “He who kills a bull is as if he slays a man;
He who sacrifices a lamb, as if he breaks a dog’s neck;
He who offers a grain offering, as if he offers swine’s blood;
He who burns incense, as if he blesses an idol.
Just as they have chosen their own ways,
And their soul delights in their abominations,

4 So will I choose their delusions,
And bring their fears on them;
Because, when I called, no one answered,
When I spoke they did not hear;
But they did evil before My eyes,
And chose that in which I do not delight.”

 

[Scott Downey]

1 John 2, the lie of the world brings forth death.

15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.

Deceptions of the Last Hour​

18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[d] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you[e] know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Let Truth Abide in You​

24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.

26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to [f]deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you [g]will abide in Him.

 

[quietthinker]

1 John 2, the lie of the world brings forth death.

15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.

Deceptions of the Last Hour​

18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[d] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you[e] know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Let Truth Abide in You​

24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.

26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to [f]deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you [g]will abide in Him.

Yet the question has not been answered, 'What is THE Lie?'
We can juxtapose it with 'THE Truth' to get an idea, so we must ask, what is THE Truth?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Yet the question has not been answered, 'What is THE Lie?'
We can juxtapose it with 'THE Truth' to get an idea, so we must ask, what is THE Truth?

If you don't get it by now... you won't ever get it.

 

[quietthinker]

If you don't get it by now... you won't ever get it.

If you think you know then maybe you can share it?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

If you think you know then maybe you can share it?

You're going to have to think louder homie!

 

[ScottA]

@quietthinker
@Dan Clarkston

Oh please continue!

I have shared the answer many times, but it is mostly rejected.

 

[quietthinker]

@Dan Clarkston
@ScottA
Both your answers reveal you don't know. Why not just come clean? Why skip around such a vital question?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I have shared the answer many times, but it is mostly rejected.

No need to fret about it... try to help and if it's not accepted move on casting all your cares upon the Lord.

Why skip around such a vital question?

Was your question really.... why do you exist, and has anyone seen your socks?

 

[Fred J]

During the time when the Gospel first came to the Israelites, GOD gave to the Jews a 'spirit of stupor' (besides the remnant saved by grace).

Meaning, 'their eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day'. (Romans 11:7&8)

Therefore, they have become and are this very day enemies of the Gospel, just for the sake of the Gentiles. (Romans 11:28)

Since they rejected the Gospel apparently, hence the Gospel went to the Gentiles, down to this very day.

As for Israel down to this very day, that blindness in part is happened to them, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in (saved by the Gospel). (Romans 11:25)

And so, all Israel shall be saved because in the end GOD will show them mercy, as the Gentiles have been shown mercy. (Romans 11:29-32)

Moreover another thing Jesus said likewise, that, "The god (satan) of this world have blinded the minds of unbelievers."

And Apostle Paul wrote to the church, that, "Those who keep on sinning belongs to the devil."

Jesus even rebuked the Israelites, that, 'they are of their father the devil, and of his desires they will to do.

He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies'. (John 8:44)

'This world' meaning, 'the people of this world', who are drawn to their carnal passions and desires, and sin.

Hence they are hostile against the Gospel which convicts them, for Jesus they hate, speak of their deeds are evil.

And they repent not, furthermore are seduced by doctrines of demons and so.

Therefore at the end of the Gospel of grace and truth of GOD and when the withheld 'anti-Christ' is allowed to come forward.

Where the world continue in unrighteousness and darkness rejecting the Gospel, will embrace him as their messiah (the lawless one).

In his and the false prophet's proceedings, GOD will send on the unrepented people of this world, 'a strong delusion'.

That, 'they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness'. (2Thessalonians 2:11&12)

Lets say for now the Holy Bible is referring to 'a delusion' in part, and 'a strong delusion' in full.

Shalom from the FATHER because of Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[ScottA]

During the time when the Gospel first came to the Israelites, GOD gave to the Jews a 'spirit of stupor' (besides the remnant saved by grace).

Meaning, 'their eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day'. (Romans 11:7&8)

Therefore, they have become and are this very day enemies of the Gospel, just for the sake of the Gentiles. (Romans 11:28)

Since they rejected the Gospel apparently, hence the Gospel went to the Gentiles, down to this very day.

As for Israel down to this very day, that blindness in part is happened to them, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in (saved by the Gospel). (Romans 11:25)

And so, all Israel shall be saved because in the end GOD will show them mercy, as the Gentiles have been shown mercy. (Romans 11:29-32)

Moreover another thing Jesus said likewise, that, "The god (satan) of this world have blinded the minds of unbelievers."

And Apostle Paul wrote to the church, that, "Those who keep on sinning belongs to the devil."

Jesus even rebuked the Israelites, that, 'they are of their father the devil, and of his desires they will to do.

He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies'. (John 8:44)

'This world' meaning, 'the people of this world', who are drawn to their carnal passions and desires, and sin.

Hence they are hostile against the Gospel which convicts them, for Jesus they hate, speak of their deeds are evil.

And they repent not, furthermore are seduced by doctrines of demons and so.

Therefore at the end of the Gospel of grace and truth of GOD and when the withheld 'anti-Christ' is allowed to come forward.

Where the world continue in unrighteousness and darkness rejecting the Gospel, will embrace him as their messiah (the lawless one).

In his and the false prophet's proceedings, GOD will send on the unrepented people of this world, 'a strong delusion'.

That, 'they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness'. (2Thessalonians 2:11&12)

Lets say for now the Holy Bible is referring to 'a delusion' in part, and 'a strong delusion' in full.

Shalom from the FATHER because of Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you--you have summarized what is correct in biblical principle, but not as it is commonly believed...because the timing is not rightly understood.

The lie foretold by Paul causing strong delusion, is regarding the timing of events. Jesus spoke of His return as coming "quickly" or "soon" and gave the details on all would "shortly come to pass." Saying also after He had gone to the Father, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me (in present tense). But false teachers entering into the church, not seeing Him return "physically" as many still look for--even though Jesus said "the kingdom of God does not come by observation", kicked the can down the road and began teaching the destructive doctrines of a "future" return. Which was believed, and has become the common doctrine still believed and taught to this day.

Even so--even though the general consensus among the church has been and is, according to that age old lie, Jesus has done exactly what He said--only in spirit which is the glory of God, but not visible in this world. But is not a one time event as so many believe did occur already, or still must occur--but it is as Paul eluded to, saying "but each one in his own order." "One" here, is defined in the original language as: each individual. Which has not been believed, but hidden, being under restraint until just before the end--which Paul also spoke of.

But for anyone who is now at all reasonable, all of these things being written--what is written simply does not describe the church now being correct--any more than the Priests and the Pharisees were correct regarding Jesus' first advent.

The good news is, "all truth" and the "finish of the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets" was also to come--just before the end.

 

[Fred J]

Thank you--you have summarized what is correct in biblical principle, but not as it is commonly believed...because the timing is not rightly understood.

We don't go by commonly believe, but by All Scripture=Holy Bible which is the truth, like Jesus we quote, 'As it is written' or 'For it is written'.

The lie foretold by Paul causing strong delusion, is regarding the timing of events.

Paul did not testify 'lie' or 'lies', but an 'instrument' chosen of Christ Jesus to testify the 'truth', even ones 'foretold'.

In 2 Thessalonians, the 'strong delusion' mentioned there, GOD sends to 'unbelievers', who loved 'darkness' (carnal and worldly).

And have not welcome the 'Light' (Gospel, born again in spirit and church) while was available and preached by the church.

GOD gave them up to what they 'loved', therefore they'll welcome 'anti-Christ', the 'lawless one' as their messiah.

Apparently who'll satisfy their carnal 'passions' and 'desires', even working lying 'signs' and 'wonders' for them to believe.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Lambano]

Has anyone ever changed their mind about a major theological issue based on an internet forum?

 

[Lambano]

DOES NO ONE WANT TO BE CORRECTED?​

And admit I was wrong? Never!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Has anyone ever changed their mind about a major theological issue based on an internet forum?

Yes actually.

 

[ScottA]

We don't go by commonly believe, but by All Scripture=Holy Bible which is the truth, like Jesus we quote, 'As it is written' or 'For it is written'.

Paul did not testify 'lie' or 'lies', but an 'instrument' chosen of Christ Jesus to testify the 'truth', even ones 'foretold'.

In 2 Thessalonians, the 'strong delusion' mentioned there, GOD sends to 'unbelievers', who loved 'darkness' (carnal and worldly).

And have not welcome the 'Light' (Gospel, born again in spirit and church) while was available and preached by the church.

GOD gave them up to what they 'loved', therefore they'll welcome 'anti-Christ', the 'lawless one' as their messiah.

Apparently who'll satisfy their carnal 'passions' and 'desires', even working lying 'signs' and 'wonders' for them to believe.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

You are speaking of what has come to fruition within the church, but denying that it has--and this you do against what is written. So, no, you are not going "by All Scripture=Holy Bible which is the truth."

 

[Verily]

Has anyone ever changed their mind about a major theological issue based on an internet forum?

If the person was both serious and shows themselves to be knowledgeable and could present their side of things well I could (and I have) changed my mind on a few things and have gained a better understanding because of it. The hard part is finding these people who are those things (have a correct understanding) and who can (without the twisting the scripture and interjecting way too much to get you there) can help open something up to you to a greater degree than what you might currently be catching a particular thing. I love that when I find that, its both encouraging and beneficial (to me anyway) although its kind of rare and so that experience is kind of rare.

But I hear what you are sayin though (per the joke its all become). You really do need to seek the Lord and learn from him. Its just nice to find the other too.

 

[quietthinker]

Has anyone ever changed their mind about a major theological issue based on an internet forum?

yes.....well, at least internet communication