Jesus was tempted

[Johann]

Still, Jesus was tempted.

I don't care about the trinity arguments people have to present. Jesus was still born of a woman and in very real flesh.

Don't you think it hurt when he was smacked on the face, placed a crown of thorns around his head, what about being spit on, and beat up by the people when he was given over to be flogged and be beaten with a led tipped whip.

Perhaps to some he didn't feel anything... he wasn't tempted to do anything... he didn't think about all those whom loved him, and his love for his Father, or that He didn't think about those around him that didn't love him which he loved as well.



Idk, what people think or what they may come up with when these things are presented.

I give you what stands written, not "spaced out" man made ideologies.

GREEK TERMS FOR TESTING AND THEIR CONNOTATIONS

I was confused by the relationship between Matt. 6:13 and James 1:13. They seem to contradict each other. The answer came in the connotation of two Greek terms.

There are two Greek terms in all their forms that have the connotation of testing, trying, or tempting someone for a purpose.

Dokimazō, Dokimion, Dokimasia
 This term is a metalurgist term for testing the genuineness of something (i.e., metaphorically someone) by fire (see SPECIAL TOPIC: FIRE). The fire reveals the true metal and burns off (i.e., impurities) the dross. This physical process became a powerful idiom for God and/or Satan and/or humans testing others. This term is only used in a positive sense of testing with a view towards acceptance (see SPECIAL TOPIC: GOD TESTS HIS PEOPLE [OT]).
 
It is used in the NT of testing
oxen ‒ Luke 14:19
one's life ‒ 1 Cor. 3:13
ourselves ‒ 1 Cor. 11:28
believers approved by God ‒ 2 Cor. 10:18; 1 Thess. 2:4
even God ‒ Heb. 3:9; 1 Pet. 1:7
our faith ‒ James. 1:3
spiritual messengers or prophets ‒ 1 John 4:1
 The outcomes of these tests were assumed to be positive (cf. Rom. 2:18; 16:10; 2 Cor. 10:18; 13:3,7), therefore, the term conveys the idea of someone examined and approved
to be worthwhile
to be good
to be genuine
to be valuable
to be honored

Peirazō, Ekpeirizō, Peirasmos, Peirasmo

This term often has the connotation of examination for the purpose of fault finding or rejection. It is used in connection to Satan's tempting Jesus in the wilderness (cf. Matthew 4; Luke 4).
It conveys the attempt to trap Jesus (cf. Matt. 4:1; 16:1; 19:3; 22:18, 35; Mark 1:13; Luke 4:2; Heb. 2:18).
This term (peirazōn) is used as a title for Satan in Matt. 4:3; 1 Thess. 3:5 (i.e., "the tempter"; see SPECIAL TOPIC: SATAN).
Usage
It was used by Jesus warning humans not to test God (cf. Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12, [or Christ cf. 1 Cor 10:9]).
It also denotes the attempt to do something that has failed (cf. Heb.11:29).
It is used in connection with the temptation and trials of believers (cf. 1 Cor. 7:5; 10:9, 13; Gal. 6:1; 1 Thess. 3:5; Heb. 2:18; James. 1:2, 13, 14; 1 Pet. 4:12; 2 Pet 2:9).

In Hebrews 3:9 they are both used in their distinctive senses. Words have meaning only in contexts!

SPECIAL TOPIC: GREEK TERMS FOR TESTING AND THEIR CONNOTATIONS

Greek Terms for Testing -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).

www.freebiblecommentary.org

J.

 

[MatthewG]

Just stating the facts. Jesus was tempted as a human being, born of a woman.

 

[MatthewG]

People can care and stick to the topic or go on some other way. It doesn't stop Jesus from having his own mind, will, and emotions just as we do ourselves today... Even after the tempting of the devil. Jesus went on in his life still being tempted. To suggest he wouldn't be would to me just be a lie... because you gotta think for yourself and consider what the narrative offers.

If people think Jesus didn't have temptations, when he was being hit, being whipped, being spit on... man... i don't understand.

 

[MatthewG]

Hebrews 4:15 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.


Tempted in every way... Every way possible... even as warped as it may be. Jesus was tempted... and that is just the fact in my opinion.

 

[MatthewG]

Here is an interesting scripture I still believes applies today,

Ephesians 1:17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.

It's gotta be by the Holy Spirit - and wisdom and revelation can be given even so today I do believe.

 

[Johann]

I think that is why perhaps people respond like that do sometimes... they don't think for themselves concerning the topic at hand. They just desire to present some type of argument rather than addressing the topic itself... Yeah I believe the fullness of Yahavah/God dwelt in the Lord Jesus... but that didn't stop Jesus from being in flesh, having a soul....

A mind/will/emotions... He cried, he had thoughts, he had emotions... he wasn't some type of Robot...

Just day dreaming about Christ Jesus without explicit biblical references is not going to help. Of course Jesus was not a "robot" and Jesus will was not independent from His Father's will, they were indissolubly echad.

How was Messiah tempted? Dokimazo or peiradzo? You don't care looking these words up and you are not kindly disposed to correction.

Read Isaiah 53 man.


John 4:34
"Jesus said to them, 'My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to accomplish His work.'"
Jesus explains that fulfilling the Father's will is His sustenance and purpose.

John 5:30
"I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me."
Jesus emphasizes His submission to the Father’s will in all decisions and actions.

John 6:38
"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me."
Jesus explicitly states the purpose of His incarnation as obedience to the Father's will.

Matthew 26:39
"And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, 'My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.'"
In the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus reaffirms His submission to the Father’s will, even in the face of suffering.

Matthew 26:42
"He went away again a second time and prayed, saying, 'My Father, if this cannot pass away unless I drink it, Your will be done.'"
A second prayer emphasizes His total obedience to the Father.

Implicit References:
John 10:17-18
"For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father."
Jesus aligns His mission with the Father’s command.

John 17:4
"I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do."

In His high priestly prayer, Jesus reflects on fulfilling the Father’s will.

Luke 22:42
"Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."
Another explicit affirmation of His alignment with the Father’s will during His agony in the garden.

When Jesus mentions His "own will," it is always in a context of submission to the Father's will. In His humanity, Jesus experiences a distinction between His will and the Father’s, but He remains fully obedient to the Father’s plan. This reflects the tension of the hypostatic union-the union of Christ's full divinity and full humanity-where His human will aligns perfectly with the divine will, even when He expresses personal desire or reluctance, as in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Thus, Jesus' mention of His own will serves to highlight His perfect submission to the Father, reinforcing His role as the obedient Son who fulfills the divine mission

Translation (ESV)
13 "Let no one say when he is tempted, 'I am being tempted by God.' For God cannot be tempted with evil, and He Himself tempts no one.
14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.
15 Then desire, when it has conceived, gives birth to sin, and sin, when it is fully grown, brings forth death."

Explanation:
Verse 13: James clarifies that God is not the source of temptation. He does not tempt anyone, and He Himself cannot be tempted with evil.
Verse 14: Temptation arises from a person’s own desires. This highlights that the origin of temptation is internal, not external.
Verse 15: The progression of temptation is outlined: desire leads to sin, and when sin is fully grown, it results in death.
These verses are a clear teaching on the nature of temptation and emphasize that it comes from within, rather than from God.

Have a good day.

J.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus was tempted.

He was tempted to sin.

He just never did.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus within himself, was tempted. Even after the encounter with the devil... To say otherwise to me is just folly but people must choose and decide and most certainly think for themselves, and may the holy spirit help guide you to the truth, and give you wisdom and revelation.

 

[MatthewG]

John 21:25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

 

[Johann]

Jesus within himself, was tempted. Even after the encounter with the devil... To say otherwise to me is just folly but people must choose and decide and most certainly think for themselves, and may the holy spirit help guide you to the truth, and give you wisdom and revelation.

Please correct your understanding, as our views on the Scriptures and their interpretation differ.

Do you really believe that Jesus was "tempted" within Himself?

Jesus' Humanity and Temptation
As a man, Jesus experienced temptation, but because He was sinless, He did not succumb to it.

The New Testament makes it clear that Jesus was tempted externally by the devil and others, rather than being tempted "within Himself" in a sinful or disordered way. In other words, while He experienced external temptation, His internal disposition was always perfectly aligned with the will of the Father.

Scripture References:

Matthew 4:1-11 (The Temptation of Jesus in the wilderness):
Jesus is tempted by Satan in various ways (to turn stones into bread, to throw Himself down from the temple, and to worship Satan for worldly authority).

These temptations come from outside, and Jesus responds by quoting scripture, showing His steadfast resistance to sin.

Hebrews 4:15:
"For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin."

This passage emphasizes that Jesus experienced temptation just as we do, yet He was without sin.
The external nature of the temptation is highlighted, but His inner purity allowed Him to resist.

James 1:13 (Temptation and God):
"Let no one say when he is tempted, 'I am being tempted by God,' for God cannot be tempted with evil, and He Himself tempts no one."

This shows that, as God, Jesus was not subject to sinful internal desires that would make Him tempted "within Himself." However, He could be tempted externally because of His humanity.

2. Theological Perspective:
Internal Temptation: For humanity, temptation often arises from internal desires-desires that are disordered due to the fall (e.g., lust, greed, pride).

Jesus, being sinless, did not experience temptation in the same way as fallen humans, whose internal desires often lead to sin.

External Temptation: While Jesus faced external temptations-particularly from Satan, as seen in the wilderness-He did not face inner turmoil or sinful desires.

His perfect obedience to the Father made His resistance to temptation a demonstration of His sinlessness and His divine nature.

Please read the Scriptures and pray for wisdom and understanding and think before you post.

J.

 

[MatthewG]

The topic is “Jesus was tempted.”

We could just lie and never say he was but the truth is, he was… tempted in all ways.

Just as we human beings are temped so he was too with his flesh and his soul (mind/will/emotions.)

 

[Johann]

The topic is “Jesus was tempted.”

We could just lie and never say he was but the truth is, he was… tempted in all ways.

Just as we human beings are temped so he was too with his flesh and his soul (mind/will/emotions.)

External, NOT internal.

J.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus had a mind/will/emotions to me he had a God given soul. He suffered temptations from within his heart. And he did not sin. You can argue and strive against this all day. It makes no difference to me. I believe what I’m say is true but not one person has to believe me.

The internal struggle is of the heart and Jesus states them clearly and he struggled with them in his own heart.

I trust that this is wisdom from the spirit but some may take it as it’s the spirit of Satan… or wisdom from a stupid man, because don’t get me wrong I can be stupid…

Whatever you wanna do, it doesn’t stop the man Jesus from struggling as we do, internally.

“And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7‬:‭20‬-‭23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Rockerduck]

The topic is “Jesus was tempted.”

We could just lie and never say he was but the truth is, he was… tempted in all ways.

Just as we human beings are temped so he was too with his flesh and his soul (mind/will/emotions.)

Yes, Jesus was tempted in all ways, as a man born without sin, and proved Jesus is the Son of God.

 

[Rockerduck]

Jesus had a mind/will/emotions to me he had a God given soul. He suffered temptations from within his heart. And he did not sin. You can argue and strive against this all day. It makes no difference to me. I believe what I’m say is true but not one person has to believe me.

The internal struggle is of the heart and Jesus states them clearly and he struggled with them in his own heart.

I trust that this is wisdom from the spirit but some may take it as it’s the spirit of Satan… or wisdom from a stupid man, because don’t get me wrong I can be stupid…

Whatever you wanna do, it doesn’t stop the man Jesus from struggling as we do, internally.

“And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7‬:‭20‬-‭23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Jesus was speaking as God to men in Mark 7:23. Jesus knows what is in the heart of the sinner. John 2:25- and had no need that anyone should testify of man, for He knew what was in man.

 

[Johann]

Jesus had a mind/will/emotions to me he had a God given soul. He suffered temptations from within his heart. And he did not sin. You can argue and strive against this all day. It makes no difference to me. I believe what I’m say is true but not one person has to believe me.

That's the problem-it makes no difference to you even when presented with Scripture

The internal struggle is of the heart and Jesus states them clearly and he struggled with them in his own heart.

Incorrect.

I trust that this is wisdom from the spirit but some may take it as it’s the spirit of Satan… or wisdom from a stupid man, because don’t get me wrong I can be stupid…

To suggest Jesus struggled with inner sinful tendencies is not Scriptural.

Whatever you wanna do, it doesn’t stop the man Jesus from struggling as we do, internally.

“And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7‬:‭20‬-‭23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Defiant, haughty-"whatever you wanna do---"

What is the context of this isolated verse and do you "wanna" apply it to Messiah who is sinless?

J.

 

[Hobie]

Now this gonna sound controversial to many people. However it shows the reality of Jesus being a man born of a woman. All through Jesus life he was tempted. Though the Holy Spirit of Yahavah kept him from falling into sin. Jesus was tempted just like all of humans are. In many ways and many facets, his choice was to continue to do the will of the Father. Today we have help from the Holy Spirit of Yahavah, and the Spirit of Christ within our hearts.

When we desire to lash out, when we have all kinds of thoughts from our hearts to give into, it’s better to abide in Christ. All us are going to fall short in some how or some way, unless we are Jesus and never fall into sin.

Anyone who suggest they are never tempted would be considered to be liars, just as much as when John states “if we say we have no sin, we make Yahavah to be a liar.” It’s only by and through Yeshua and his righteousness which comes in and through us, when the heavenly ways come through rather than the earthly fleshly ways.

Jesus could have lashed out when he was being mocked and ridiculed even to the his death on the cross but he chose to remain silent, in order to love Yahavah and love his neighbor as himself.

The only ones Jesus ever got on to was the religious leaders who knew better, however by this time the religious leaders worshiped the law and not Yahavah, nor did they give homage to his Son.

I believe that Israel whom were of the Faithless became Satan towards Yahavah and his doings, because they can be seen as the adversary against Yahavah by having the Son of God killed.
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Just as we can overcome, but few even want to in this day and age, they love what evil keeps them in bondage..

 

[MatthewG]

I am not seeking correction.

I’m just stating facts concerning Jesus was tempted.

He was tempted in all the ways we as human beings was.

 

[MatthewG]

People can try to correct me all day, but you’re wasting your efforts. Thanks.

 

[MatthewG]

So when you’re faced with temptations just as Jesus was just remember he can help you through it. It’s stated that Yahavah himself will show you a way out, just abide in Yeshua, otherwise you aren’t gonna be able to escape the temptation, and i still fail all the time.

“No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭10‬:‭13‬ ‭NKJV‬‬