Trump vying for Greenland and Canada

[MA2444]

I gave the link for you to re-familiarize yourself with it. You could read it. LOL.

Because I’m not sure what your ‘we’ orientation is, let me summarize. Colonial powers of Europe were ascendant during this era. Starting with Spain, led by Columbus and the Conquistadors, mainly in south and central America’s, French in Canada and England in the North American East coast.

Pawns in these European powers were the European settlers in their colonies and the indigenous peoples, aka Indians. Some Indians nations fought with the French against the English and other Indian nations fought with the English against the French.

This 7 year world wide conflict was a proximate cause for England to raise taxes on their colonies because the colonists were the primary beneficiary of the conflict. This led to the American War of Independence a dozen or so years later.

I could have but I didn't, you're right. I stopped reading Wiki because it just seems wacky to me.

 

[Lizbeth]

One of the interests of USA is exploiting Greenland's resources, oil, gas, minerals

Yes, no kidding, that's what all this is all about, don't kid yourself with nobler intentions. $ kaching $ And love of money, aka greed, is the root of all evil. God says thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods.

 

[Scott Downey]

Yes, no kidding, that's what all this is all about, don't kid yourself with nobler intentions. $ kaching $ And love of money, aka greed, is the root of all evil. God says thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods.

Of course, it's the economic growth that draws people in. Are you a communist?
Have you benefitted from economic growth or are you always on the losing end of things. I know some who turn into anarchists because they failed.

Capitalism lifted many out of poverty, while the other side plunged them into poverty and death to a much greater sense of hopelessness

The US prosperity was not built on anything other than profit and hard work. Profit motive is why people work. But if your a socialist then you want others to work to support you. Who then is lazy and greedy? Can add in malcontent. All socialists in a cpaitlist country are unhaapy and want to tear down the system to create their idea of a socialist utopia. But history has shown all such things turn into a dystopian collapse.

If your a socialist you will end up working hard for nothing, as all you do is support the party leaders above you

 

[Scott Downey]

Islamic jihadists call the US the Great Satan, some here also do that.

I used to have a good friend, turned out he was bizarrely communist and absolute Trump hater in the extreme. Also called republicans evil. Voted democrat all his life. What a shock when I found out he also hated me.

 

[Scott Downey]

Another thing Jesus said the poor will always be with you. If everyone was rich, then all would be poor. But also all can be poor. Fascinating.

In the end of all things, the only one truly rich is one who is rich towards God.
Abraham was rich towards God and God made him very wealthy, God is not against riches, some people think He is, and they are wrong.

Abraham was blessed of God, are you angry about that?

KJ21
The blessings of the Lord maketh rich, and He addeth no sorrow with it.
ASV
The blessing of Jehovah, it maketh rich; And he addeth no sorrow therewith.
AMP
The blessing of the Lord brings [true] riches, And He adds no sorrow to it [for it comes as a blessing from God].
AMPC
The blessing of the Lord—it makes [truly] rich, and He adds no sorrow with it [neither does toiling increase it].
BRG
The blessing of the Lord, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it.
CSB
The Lord’s blessing enriches, and he adds no painful effort to it.
CEB
The Lord’s blessing makes a person rich, and no trouble is added to it.
CJB
The blessing of Adonai is what makes people rich, and he doesn’t mix sorrow with it.
CEV
When the Lord blesses you with riches, you have nothing to regret.
DARBY
The blessing of Jehovah, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow to it.
DRA
The blessing of the Lord maketh men rich: neither shall affliction be joined to them.
ERV
It is the Lord’s blessing that brings wealth, and no hard work can add to it.
EASY
If the Lord blesses you, you are really rich. Hard work will not make you any richer.
EHV
The blessing of the Lord makes a person wealthy, and he adds no sorrow to it.
ESV
The blessing of the Lord makes rich, and he adds no sorrow with it.
ESVUK
The blessing of the Lord makes rich, and he adds no sorrow with it.
EXB
The Lord’s blessing brings wealth, and no ·sorrow [trouble] comes with it.
GNV
The blessing of the Lord, it maketh rich, and he doth add no sorrows with it.
GW
It is the Lord’s blessing that makes a person rich, and hard work adds nothing to it.

 

[Lizbeth]

Of course, it's the economic growth that draws people in. Are you a communist?
Have you benefitted from economic growth or are you always on the losing end of things. I know some who turn into anarchists because they failed.

Capitalism lifted many out of poverty, while the other side plunged them into poverty and death to a much greater sense of hopelessness

The US prosperity was not built on anything other than profit and hard work. Profit motive is why people work. But if your a socialist then you want others to work to support you. Who then is lazy and greedy? Can add in malcontent. All socialists in a cpaitlist country are unhaapy and want to tear down the system to create their idea of a socialist utopia. But history has shown all such things turn into a dystopian collapse.

If your a socialist you will end up working hard for nothing, as all you do is support the party leaders above you

I'm obviously not a communist, but on the other hand unbridled greed and the corruption that goes with it is already destroying and undermining our respective nations. It's wise for governments to have checks and balances with respect to the natural tendencies of human nature....which tends to sin and selfishness and greed and power mongering to no end. As your forefathers and writers of the Constitution seemed to understand. Does your version of capitalism and entrepreneurship mean you are allowed to just march in and steal another country's belongings just because you covet them? Hope not for your sake.

 

[Scott Downey]

I'm obviously not a communist, but on the other hand unbridled greed and the corruption that goes with it is already destroying and undermining our respective nations. It's wise for governments to have checks and balances with respect to the natural tendencies of human nature....which tends to sin and selfishness and greed and power mongering to no end. As your forefathers and writers of the Constitution seemed to understand. Does your version of capitalism and entrepreneurship mean you are allowed to just march in and steal another country's belongings just because you covet them? Hope not for your sake.

I honestly could care less if Trump gains Greenland or Canada.

You are one of those Trump haters. Trump already said he considers Greenland of vital importance to US national security interests.

And he also has said the US supports Canadian security without them contributing much at all towards that protection, very unequal, so he wants them to pay USA back some more. He has said the same things about NATO European countries, that they need to step up and pay their fair share.

 

[Scott Downey]

The USA out of all other countries also shoulders the greatest financial burden of supporting the UN
And they are blatantly anti-American, and HATE Israel, they bite the hand that feeds them.

Maybe Trump can yank out UN support and save USA some wasted expense. It's like paying people to beat on you and call you names.
I would support the USA withdrawing completely from all UN funding.

How Much Does the U.S. Contribute to the UN?

Many UN agencies, programs, and missions receive crucial funding from the United States. In his second administration, President Trump is again calling for greater scrutiny of U.S. funding and involv…

www.cfr.org

 

[Wrangler]

I could have but I didn't, you're right. I stopped reading Wiki because it just seems wacky to me.

No comment on my summary of the French and Indian Wars?

 

[Lizbeth]

That Greenland part of the USA, if it happens, will benefit Greenland far more as Canadians don't EVER want to join the US, and the way I see it Canadian pride gets in the way, when really, they have little to be proud about. I think it's more likely for Greenland to join the US than Canada. Seeing most are Inuit, it is not too likely unless they actually experience personal greed (as in more money and higher standard of living) over staying independent, poor and backward and undeveloped. Some of their concerns are they are Inuit, and they don't want to lose their 'Inuit-ness', their cultural identity.

One of the interests of USA is exploiting Greenland's resources, oil, gas, minerals, and indigenous peoples often don't want that to happen.

I don't think there is any point in talking to you any further, but it sounds as though you consider money and size are things to be "proud" about, rather than seeking to govern and live by Christian virtues. Those who think that way have made Mammon their god, sadly. And I'm sorry to say that leads to God's judgment because He said to have no other gods before Him, and He is a jealous God.

 

[MA2444]

No comment on my summary of the French and Indian Wars?

No not really. It was just a case of brainlock I had there for a moment. I remember some about it now, lol.

Have you ever dated a french girl? I wont do that again, lol.

 

[Scott Downey]

I don't think there is any point in talking to you any further, but it sounds as though you consider money and size are things to be "proud" about, rather than seeking to govern and live by Christian virtues. Those who think that way have made Mammon their god, sadly. And I'm sorry to say that leads to God's judgment because He said to have no other gods before Him, and He is a jealous God.

Why did God put oil and gas in the ground if He did not want us to use it?
Why did God give us an abundance of natural resources, animals, trees, plants, metals, minerals, uranium if He did not want us to eventually use them?

God could have created a poor earth, but he made the earth rich in all things that contribute to a better life and happiness.
His intent is for us to use and exploit all those things. And he gave us a mind to learn how to do that.

And the 'green movement' today is in many ways an evil movement against God. They deny that God exists and sustains all things by the word of His power. They tell us the earth will be destroyed and that there are billions too many people, the greens want the earth population to collapse to maybe 500 million people only. They are of the devil.

What did God tell man to do? And whenever man rebels against God's words, God punishes them. Which he did at Babel as they were not following what He told them to do.

God promises the earth will not be destroyed again until the Last Day. The green movement lies about many things and is a major source of trouble and a snare for many. It's a big reason for the massive debt burden developed nations are forced to carry and a party pooper!


Genesis 1:28
Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Genesis 9
So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs. 4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. 5 Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning; from the hand of every beast I will require it, and from the hand of man. From the hand of every man’s brother I will require the life of man.

6 “Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed;
For in the image of God
He made man.
7 And as for you, be fruitful and multiply;
Bring forth abundantly in the earth
And multiply in it.”

8 Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying: 9 “And as for Me, behold, I establish My covenant with you and with your [a]descendants after you, 10 and with every living creature that is with you: the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ark, every beast of the earth. 11 Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

12 And God said: “This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 13 I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. 14 It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; 15 and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.” 17 And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.”

 

[Wrangler]

The USA out of all other countries also shoulders the greatest financial burden of supporting the UN
And they are blatantly anti-American, and HATE Israel

Every organization is only as good as its constituents. Given a fallen world, filled with corrupt governments, we must function.

Due to the veto power as a member of the Security Council, our enemies cannot advance action against us. Despite its many flaws, the UN’s collective sanctioning actions have probably prevented or mitigated wars. This is its primary purpose.

 

[Wrangler]

Have you ever dated a french girl? I wont do that again, lol.

Tried to. Why would t you do it again?

 

[Wrangler]

it sounds as though you consider money and size are things to be "proud" about, rather than seeking to govern and live by Christian virtues.

Here again the ugly over-spiritualization of Christianity shows itself, abandoning the soulful needs of people.

The purpose of business is to make money, profit. On this, we are all of the same religion. The purpose of government is security. Thus, business economics and government are bedfellows.

Of course we as a free nation should be proud of success! Success comes AFTER thinking through the elements to achieve success. Enter Greenland.

There is no Christian virtue that opposes any of this for Christ said to give into Caesar what is Caesar’s.

 

[MA2444]

Tried to. Why would t you do it again?

We'll just say I didn't like her. Ans she told me some things about France that made me think no reason to ever visit France!

 

[Lizbeth]

I honestly could care less if Trump gains Greenland or Canada.

I'm pretty neutral about it too, though I'm no expert on all the pros and cons.................as long as nobody tries to force it by cruel and illicit means.....which I believe would be very detrimental to both sides (and probably the rest of the free world because they would get drawn into the conflict). That is my point.

You are one of those Trump haters. Trump already said he considers Greenland of vital importance to US national security interests.

Dont' you think that "national security" could just be how he will try to sell the American people on the idea even if it is really about the $$$....? Wouldn't be the first time that is done, from what I understand. I'm not an expert but there's no reason (that I know of) why there couldn't be American military bases in Greenland (and maybe Canada's arctic too) without owning it, if that is deemed necessary...?

I don't hate Trump and agree with his common sense policies for your country and attempts to combat globalism and socialism. However, there is an old saying that the solution to one problem is often the beginning of another. Never wise to forget the lessons of history. We always need to keep an independent mind and a sharp eye on our politicians no matter who they are.

Maybe Trump can yank out UN support and save USA some wasted expense. It's like paying people to beat on you and call you names. I would support the USA withdrawing completely from all UN funding.

I dont' know what this has to do with what we are talking about but just so you know I'm not enthused about the UN either, or the WHO.

 

[Wrangler]

I'm pretty neutral about it too, though I'm no expert on all the pros and cons.................as long as nobody tries to force it by cruel and illicit means.....

Never wise to forget the lessons of history.

Speaking of history, there is precedence. Texas secedded from Mexico, then as a sovereign State, became part of the USA.

 

[Lizbeth]

The purpose of business is to make money, profit. On this, we are all of the same religion. The purpose of government is security. Thus, business economics and government are bedfellows.

Certainly agree that the duty and business of government is to act on behalf of the best interests of the country they are governing and administrating. As long as this isn't done illicitly. Do you think as believers we should allow or encourage our worldly governments to act illicitly and unlawfully (laws of both God and man) in the carrying out of their business?

And are we so naive these days as to think our politicians wont' try to use their position to enrichen themselves and/or their family and friends if they can get away with it? That's the world and society we are living in, especially in a "post-Christian" era - it runs on greed and self-interest, that's what fuels it.....mammon. We are in the world but hopefully not of it! Hopefully as believers and followers of Christ we run on a better kind of fuel than that, our source is not the god of this world.

What made "America great" in the first place was Christianity and Godly principles which attracted God's blessing and help.......but the people are casting off restraint these days.

 

[Scott Downey]

I'm pretty neutral about it too, though I'm no expert on all the pros and cons.................as long as nobody tries to force it by cruel and illicit means.....which I believe would be very detrimental to both sides (and probably the rest of the free world because they would get drawn into the conflict). That is my point.


Dont' you think that "national security" could just be how he will try to sell the American people on the idea even if it is really about the $$$....? Wouldn't be the first time that is done, from what I understand. I'm not an expert but there's no reason (that I know of) why there couldn't be American military bases in Greenland (and maybe Canada's arctic too) without owning it, if that is deemed necessary...?

I don't hate Trump and agree with his common sense policies for your country and attempts to combat globalism and socialism. However, there is an old saying that the solution to one problem is often the beginning of another. Never wise to forget the lessons of history. We always need to keep an independent mind and a sharp eye on our politicians no matter who they are.


I dont' know what this has to do with what we are talking about but just so you know I'm not enthused about the UN either, or the WHO.

I am talking about the good things Trump could accomplish. Trump is all about MAGA, you know what that means. It also includes opposition.