Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[Wrangler]

No, what you are saying did not occur.

Sure it occurred. Trinitarians just want to impose their dogma unto unitarian text.

 

[Wrangler]

The Father wanted Him to die.

The Father is God, the only true God according to Christ. That’s good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for you?

 

[ProDeo]

The Father is God, the only true God according to Christ. That’s good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for you?

My worry is that you don't have fully understood the Gospel.

Allow me a question, in your services to do sing praise to, or glorify Jesus? I know we do, loud and joyful. And most of all thankful.

 

[Wrangler]

Allow me a question

I asked a question. Try answering it.

I understand the Gospel. No need to worry. I just reject the manmade, 4th century IDOL that contradicts Scripture

 

[David in NJ]

I'm not seeing what you are seeing here. I'm seeing a plural noun (Elohim), which means two or more. You're seeing the same plural noun and declaring it means THREE. Not two. Not four. Not a hundred, But THREE.

As you know, I am a Trinitarian. But I cannot distill the Trinity from Genesis 1. How do you get there?

v1 - In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
v2 - The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim was hovering over the face of the waters.
v3 - Then Elohim Said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

This is what the Holy Spirit revealed to the apostle John = 3
Elohim is mentioned 3 times in the first 3 verses
Father is verse 1
Holy Spirit is verse 2
Word is verse 3

NOTICE that the Creation did NOT Begin until Elohim was mentioned 3 Times and the last time is the WORD = John 1:3
v3 = All things were made thru the WORD

Genesis 1:26 BUILDS on the Introduction that Elohim is PLURAL and is THREE

Gen 1:26 - "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness" = 3

The PLURAL Elohim Speaks of Themselves in ONE sentence THREE times.

Then Elohim does this AGAIN in the very next verse = Genesis 1:27

So Elohim(Plural) created man in His own image; in the image of Elohim(Plural) He created him; male and female He created them.

The FATHER/HIS as is the SON/HE as is the HOLY SPIRIT/HE = 3

Elohim will later, in Genesis, IDENTIFY Who the THREE are!!!

Shalom

Blessing here for you @amadeus

 

[David in NJ]

I will give you Thayer's mean and you can decide what it means.

1. of good constitution or nature
2. useful, salutary
3. good, pleasant, agreeable, joyful, happy
4. excellent, distinguished
5. upright, honourable

akin to ἄγαμαι to wonder at, think highly of, ἀγαστός admirable, as explained by Plato, Crat., p. 412 c. [others besides; cf. Donaldson, New Crat. § 323]), in general denotes "perfectus,... qui habet in se ac facit omnia quae habere et facere debet pro notione nominis, officio ac lege" (Irmisch ad Herodian, 1, 4, p. 134), excelling in any respect, distinguished, good.

The WORD of ELOHIM gives us the definition of His "Good" = there is no Higher Definition

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, Elohim/God

 

[RedFan]

v1 - In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
v2 - The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim was hovering over the face of the waters.
v3 - Then Elohim Said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

This is what the Holy Spirit revealed to the apostle John = 3
Elohim is mentioned 3 times in the first 3 verses
Father is verse 1
Holy Spirit is verse 2
Word is verse 3

Cute, but Elohim is actually mentioned 4 times in the first 4 verses -- so why not four instead of three? For that matter, Elohim is mentioned 2 times in the first 2 verses -- so why not two instead of three? Why are you gerrymandering our result by looking at the first three verses instead of the first four, or the first two?

 

[David in NJ]

I'm not seeing what you are seeing here. I'm seeing a plural noun (Elohim), which means two or more. You're seeing the same plural noun and declaring it means THREE. Not two. Not four. Not a hundred, But THREE.

As you know, I am a Trinitarian. But I cannot distill the Trinity from Genesis 1. How do you get there?

Post 736 UPdated for you

 

[MonoBiblical]

The WORD of ELOHIM gives us the definition of His "Good" = there is no Higher Definition

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, Elohim/God

It gives us a word for supernatural entity. It is a faulty one at that. El is the Aramaic dialect form.

 

[David in NJ]

Cute, but Elohim is actually mentioned 4 times in the first 4 verses -- so why not four instead of three? For that matter, Elohim is mentioned 2 times in the first 2 verses -- so why not two instead of three? Why are you gerrymandering our result by looking at the first three verses instead of the first four, or the first two?

Post has been UPdated = PLEASE review

 

[David in NJ]

Cute, but Elohim is actually mentioned 4 times in the first 4 verses -- so why not four instead of three? For that matter, Elohim is mentioned 2 times in the first 2 verses -- so why not two instead of three? Why are you gerrymandering our result by looking at the first three verses instead of the first four, or the first two?

excuse my typing and review post 736 for your question has been answered

 

[David in NJ]

It gives us a word for supernatural entity. It is a faulty one at that. El is the Aramaic dialect form.

Post 736 has been UPdated

PLEASE review for more DETAIL

 

[David in NJ]

@Nancy
You will be BLESSED from the info on Post 736

Shalom

 

[MonoBiblical]

Post 736 has been UPdated

PLEASE review for more DETAIL

Done. It assumes Elohim is a generic word for a god, when El was the original. Most of the post looks irrelevant so as not to prove your point. More yet, the father cannot be extracted from the Genesis passage.

 

[David in NJ]

v1 - In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
v2 - The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim was hovering over the face of the waters.
v3 - Then Elohim Said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

This is what the Holy Spirit revealed to the apostle John = 3
Elohim is mentioned 3 times in the first 3 verses
Father is verse 1
Holy Spirit is verse 2
Word is verse 3

NOTICE that the Creation did NOT Begin until Elohim was mentioned 3 Times and the last time is the WORD = John 1:3
v3 = All things were made thru the WORD

Genesis 1:26 BUILDS on the Introduction that Elohim is PLURAL and is THREE

Gen 1:26 - "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness" = 3

The PLURAL Elohim Speaks of Themselves in ONE sentence THREE times.

Then Elohim does this AGAIN in the very next verse = Genesis 1:27

So Elohim(Plural) created man in His own image; in the image of Elohim(Plural) He created him; male and female He created them.

The FATHER/HIS as is the SON/HE as is the HOLY SPIRIT/HE = 3

Elohim will later, in Genesis, IDENTIFY Who the THREE are!!!

Shalom

 

[David in NJ]

Done. It assumes Elohim is a generic word for a god, when El was the original. Most of the post looks irrelevant.

NOPE

ELohim only Speaks Truth = no mistakes on THEIR PLURALITY as it is all throughout the Scriptures

 

[MonoBiblical]

NOPE

ELohim only Speaks Truth = no mistakes on THEIR PLURALITY as it is all throughout the Scriptures

"Their plurality" is missing from the tetragrammaton, and the LXX. And what of elohim for other gods. Is it plural or singular?

 

[David in NJ]

"Their plurality" is missing from the tetragrammaton, and the LXX. And what of elohim for other gods. Is it plural or singular?

Elohim's PLURALITY is all throughout the Holy Scriptures

The angels KNOW THEY are THREE as do the Apostles for they wrote of the THREE

 

[MonoBiblical]

Elohim's PLURALITY is all throughout the Holy Scriptures

The angels KNOW THEY are THREE as do the Apostles for they wrote of the THREE

And yet you can't prove it.

 

[David in NJ]

And yet you can't prove it.

Elohim ALREADY proved this for us = the need to BELIEVE "IT is Written"