Revelation 13:17-18 (666)

[ewq1938]

Sorry Buddy (The Beas) and (The False Prophet) will be literal living human men upon this earth, they will be cast alive into the lake of fire as scripture below clearly teaches

The ten horned beast is a kingdom as Daniel taught:

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

We speak on Revelation 16:13 as bad news, but what if it is the good news?
Revelation 16:13

out of the mouth of the dragon - Satan
out of the mouth of the beast (king)
out of the mouth of the false prophet

Amos 3:12 Thus says the LORD; As the Shepherd takes "out of the mouth" of the lion two legs, or a piece of an ear, so shall the children be taken out that dwell in Samaria in the corner of a bed; and in Damascus in a couch (we see it's not literally those in Samaria in a corner of a literal bed but its Spiritual?) Hear you, and testify in the house of Jacob, says the LORD God, the God of hosts. .... "I" will visit says the LORD and the great houses shall have an end, says the LORD.

I never noticed how bold what Paul says is "I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion." 2 Timothy 4:17.
we all who have been rescued out of the darkness, as a light that shines unto those who set in darkness. in the Passage of Revelation 16:13 which immediately speaks on His coming as a thief. Out of the mouth comes all these evil works and devilish works of murder, slander, false things that defile. Yet PAUL testifies that he was taken out of the mouth of the lion. Who calls Him a thief that comes in “isn’t this a brand plucked out of the fire? Remove the soiled garment, I will provide what clothing(the new man) he will put on. (OT) if we also have been taken *removed" out from darkness, taken or plucked out of
out of the mouth of the dragon - Satan,
out of the mouth of the beast (king)
out of the mouth of the false prophet
...oh God deliver us from evil (for Your Namesake) is this not good news? again Paul taught by "the Revelation of Jesus Christ" says boldly "I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion." is this not what the LORD said He will do? As the Shepherd takes "out of the mouth" of the lion two legs, or a piece of an ear, so shall the children be taken out that dwell in Samaria in the corner of a bed; and in Damascus in a couch Hear you, and testify in the house of Jacob, says the LORD God, the God of hosts. .... "I" will visit says the LORD and the great houses shall have an end, says the LORD.

when in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, "I come as a thief"
out of the mouth of the dragon - Satan
out of the mouth of the beast (king)
out of the mouth of the false prophet
...was Saul/Paul taken "out from the mouth" to testify to the house of Jacob, and to all the great houses that they will have an end? how bold is Paul's testimony of "He delivered me from the mouth of the lion." is Amos 3:12 insignificant, random? or revealing of what Saul was removed out of the mouth of the lion... where the Faith I once destroyed, I now preach.
Goodnews, Goodnews, Goodnews is the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

We all have been in the mouth of falsehood
out of the mouth of the dragon - Satan
out of the mouth of the beast (king)
out of the mouth of the false prophet
…it is for His Glory, He delivers us out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the devil, and out of the mouth of the false prophets…to put an end to the great houses. It is the Lord who rescues us out of darkness. For a testimony of His greatness, and goodness of Him who delivers us from evil.

Read to my husband and it doesn’t make any sense what I wrote. Even I can’t make sense of it reading it back. To clarify …I am asking if in Amos when the LORD says He will take the children out of the mouth of the Lion …and He shall visit and then the great houses will know they have an end. Is it random Paul says he was delivered out of the mouth of a lion?

 

[CTK]

The ten horned beast is a kingdom as Daniel taught:

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

I really don't want to get into this discussion because it has moved off of the topic a little, but let me ask you the following:


The 4 and only 4 kingdoms that are identified as being called out of the sea by God are Babylon, Medes-Persia, Greece and Rome (although everyone agrees that "Rome" is not mentioned. So, the first question to you is who are your 4 kingdoms? Secondly, do you have any more than 4 kingdoms and if so, please tell me what verse identifies them as the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th or even a 9th? And if you cannot find those verses that identify more the 4 kingdoms, then you cannot honestly decide that another part of the metal man image can be carved up into another kingdom.... And note, the iron feet of Rome and part of the 4th kingdom no less than the silver hands and arms are of the 2nd kingdom. The ONLY difference in the 4th kingdom is that it is shown to INCLUDE a secondary element of clay. This clay is symbolic and represents God's people - Israel at the time of His first coming.

Then, I would respectfully ask you to give me the verse where the 10 horns are 10 kingdoms. Are the 10 horns COMING OUT of the 4th kingdom of Rome (before the little horn COMES OUT of the 4th kingdom of Rome? Then, later in 7:20 and 7:24, we find the 10 horns have now risen to the top of the 4th kingdom beast. Now, they have transitioned from 10 horns (powers) to 10 kings, and these 10 kings are not 10 kingdoms but 10 kings sitting atop of the 4th beast.....

What do you think?

 

[Douggg]

Read to my husband and it doesn’t make any sense what I wrote. Even I can’t make sense of it reading it back. To clarify …I am asking if in Amos when the LORD says He will take the children out of the mouth of the Lion …and He shall visit and then the great houses will know they have an end. Is it random Paul says he was delivered out of the mouth of a lion?

You are talking about topics not related to this thread. In 2Timothy4, Paul, in using the phrase "out of the mouth of a lion" was saying he was delivered from persons who sought his death. And that no matter what, God would ultimately bring him into God's Heavenly Kingdom.

 

[Writer]

The Key to understanding the number of the beast is not in the spiritual, but rather, in the material. "Let him who has WISDOM calculate the number of the beast for it is the number of a MAN; and his number is six hundred sixty six (666).

Although I said not "in" the spiritual, yet it is by spiritual wisdom. Carnal man is who derives this number. Once one takes the number it becomes a brand of ownership, and now a slave to his or her Master. That is the whole purpose of this maniacal exercise. To enslave man, and once duped into beleiving the benefits, they'll be targeted for desctruction and Satan's hope of acheiving to take Gods image out of the earth and this creation, Satan wins. That's the short of it.

As to the number itself. The world will be in utter chaos, the this supposed Messiah shows up and immediately takes the world by intrigue (sorcery); signs and wonders from the heavens etc. The world will say "who can wage war against him" and will be chanting songs of peace, peace, peace forever. Like the pide piper he'll sway the world to his favor. The bible even says "they will worship the beast AND the DRAGON who gave him his power".

666: This number has already been calculated by mans wisdom. By mans own wisdom, man calculated infinity by taking the day man was created and multiplying it out to infinity in this way. It will probably be hidden by using the shift key and showing only three carrots as a symbol.

Why infinity? Because Gods perfect number is 7. God rested on the 7th day establishing Gods perfect rest and perfect peace. Man cannot acheive that perfect number because there are too many uknown universal secrects and way more questions than answers. The best man can acomplish is a false infinate hope of peace established by a number establishing his best effort. Giving a number that eliminates Gods hope and replaces it with the Dragons hope. I'd rather drink poison. But many will take the number because the delusion and deception will be that great at that time.

 

[CTK]

The Key to understanding the number of the beast is not in the spiritual, but rather, in the material. "Let him who has WISDOM calculate the number of the beast for it is the number of a MAN; and his number is six hundred sixty six (666).

Although I said not "in" the spiritual, yet it is by spiritual wisdom. Carnal man is who derives this number. Once one takes the number it becomes a brand of ownership, and now a slave to his or her Master. That is the whole purpose of this maniacal exercise. To enslave man, and once duped into beleiving the benefits, they'll be targeted for desctruction and Satan's hope of acheiving to take Gods image out of the earth and this creation, Satan wins. That's the short of it.

As to the number itself. The world will be in utter chaos, the this supposed Messiah shows up and immediately takes the world by intrigue (sorcery); signs and wonders from the heavens etc. The world will say "who can wage war against him" and will be chanting songs of peace, peace, peace forever. Like the pide piper he'll sway the world to his favor. The bible even says "they will worship the beast AND the DRAGON who gave him his power".

666: This number has already been calculated by mans wisdom. By mans own wisdom, man calculated infinity by taking the day man was created and multiplying it out to infinity in this way. It will probably be hidden by using the shift key and showing only three carrots as a symbol.

Why infinity? Because Gods perfect number is 7. God rested on the 7th day establishing Gods perfect rest and perfect peace. Man cannot acheive that perfect number because there are too many uknown universal secrects and way more questions than answers. The best man can acomplish is a false infinate hope of peace established by a number establishing his best effort. Giving a number that eliminates Gods hope and replaces it with the Dragons hope. I'd rather drink poison. But many will take the number because the delusion and deception will be that great at that time.

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that there will be this mythical supernatural creature that everyone identifies as the "anti-Christ" and this fellow takes the world by intrigue, etc. Is the number of this fellow 666? If so,then he must be a "man" and not a supernatural fellow? Help me undertand this please....

 

[Writer]

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that there will be this mythical supernatural creature that everyone identifies as the "anti-Christ" and this fellow takes the world by intrigue, etc. Is the number of this fellow 666? If so,then he must be a "man" and not a supernatural fellow? Help me undertand this please....

I said he was a man. The reason the bible (the holy spirit) refers to him as a beast is because he is not a product of a natural birth. In otherwords God says; "I formed you in your mother's womb", this man/beast is not formed in a mothers womb, but rather some other way, but human nevertheless, but not worthy by God to call him a man as having come from Him, and only refers to him as a beast. He will stop at nothing to do his evil against God.

Perhaps he began his form in a test tube and then transplanted, all manipulated by man.

 

[CTK]

I said he was a man. The reason the bible (the holy spirit) refers to him as a beast is because he is not a product of a natural birth. In otherwords God says; "I formed you in your mother's womb", this man/beast is not formed in a mothers womb, but rather some other way, but human nevertheless, but not worthy by God to call him a man as having come from Him, and only refers to him as a beast. He will stop at nothing to do his evil against God.

Perhaps he began his form in a test tube and then transplanted, all manipulated by man.

where is this verse that tells you this in the bible? How does the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8 play into your end time discussion?

 

[ewq1938]

I really don't want to get into this discussion because it has moved off of the topic a little, but let me ask you the following:


The 4 and only 4 kingdoms that are identified as being called out of the sea by God are Babylon, Medes-Persia, Greece and Rome (although everyone agrees that "Rome" is not mentioned.

None are mentioned actually. Daniel says the first 3 survive the death and destruction of the 4th kingdom so I do not believe the first 3 kingdoms are Babylon, Medes-Persia, Greece because they did not exist past the fall of Rome and Rome was not defeated by a coming of God and throne judgment where the people of God inherited an Earthly eternal kingdom. None of those details match human history.

So, the first question to you is who are your 4 kingdoms?

I don't know who they were intended to represent. I only know no historical kingdoms match what Daniel saw.

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Secondly, do you have any more than 4 kingdoms and if so, please tell me what verse identifies them as the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th or even a 9th?

Daniel wrote of 4 ungodly kingdoms, and one eternal Godly kingdom in chp 7.

And if you cannot find those verses that identify more the 4 kingdoms, then you cannot honestly decide that another part of the metal man image can be carved up into another kingdom.... And note, the iron feet of Rome and part of the 4th kingdom no less than the silver hands and arms are of the 2nd kingdom. The ONLY difference in the 4th kingdom is that it is shown to INCLUDE a secondary element of clay. This clay is symbolic and represents God's people - Israel at the time of His first coming.

You are confusing me with what another poster has said about multiple kingdoms.

Then, I would respectfully ask you to give me the verse where the 10 horns are 10 kingdoms.

Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Kings have kingdoms so ten horns being ten kings proves there are ten smaller kingdoms within this larger 4th kingdom. The same is true in Rev.

Are the 10 horns COMING OUT of the 4th kingdom of Rome (before the little horn COMES OUT of the 4th kingdom of Rome? Then, later in 7:20 and 7:24, we find the 10 horns have now risen to the top of the 4th kingdom beast. Now, they have transitioned from 10 horns (powers) to 10 kings, and these 10 kings are not 10 kingdoms but 10 kings sitting atop of the 4th beast.....

What do you think?

I don't think the 4th beast is Rome.

 

[CTK]

None are mentioned actually. Daniel says the first 3 survive the death and destruction of the 4th kingdom so I do not believe the first 3 kingdoms are Babylon, Medes-Persia, Greece because they did not exist past the fall of Rome and Rome was not defeated by a coming of God and throne judgment where the people of God inherited an Earthly eternal kingdom. None of those details match human history.









I don't know who they were intended to represent. I only know no historical kingdoms match what Daniel saw.

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Daniel wrote of 4 ungodly kingdoms, and one eternal Godly kingdom in chp 7.




You are confusing me with what another poster has said about multiple kingdoms.




Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Kings have kingdoms so ten horns being ten kings proves there are ten smaller kingdoms within this larger 4th kingdom. The same is true in Rev.







I don't think the 4th beast is Rome.

Ok, and thanks for your comments.

 

[Hobie]

Sorry to disagree, but the 4th beast is indeed Rome - specifically, pagan Rome. And 7:11 does tell us he will be slain and his body is destroyed. I don't know who you could possibly think is the 4th beast if it is not pagan Rome. They certainly were in power at the end of the 70 weeks of years prophecy which spoke exclusively to the restoration of His people and Jerusalem from Babylon. They certainly were in power at the time of the cross. They certainly continued during their perscution of the Christians for almost 200 years, they certainly were in power at the time of Constantine when he changed the Sabbath, they certainly were in power when he also declared Christianity an acceptable religion throughout the kingdom, they certainly were in power up to the time they were defeated by both internal and external forces by / around the time of 476 AD, thet were no longer the dominate power after this but would be proceeded by papal Rome who, within 100 years or less, be given official power over the Christian church by Justianian and they would now start to amass power over both all religious and secular matters throughout the empire.... Further, these same 10 horns, who came out of pagan Rome would now be seen to be sitting atop the 4th beast - meaning, they had also come to power among / with the 4th beast of papal Rome. Please consider the above and return once more to chapter 7 and insert the names of these actors in their appropriate places and see if they do not match our historical records PERFECTLY.

Very true..

 

[Writer]

where is this verse that tells you this in the bible? How does the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8 play into your end time discussion?

Look at the times we live in. Look at the cruelty against humanity being applied by modern technologies and the disregard for human life in many area's of science. Beginning with abortions and the millions of murders committed before God by so called compassionate people, to allowing children at ages not yet near accountability make choices to have their bodies subjected to mutillation of how God created them and then changed into distortions of their original birth and without parental consent or even notification. Not applying the times we live in today when studying biblical times that were different then misses todays functions, methods and operations that will be used to bring these prophesies to their true modern manifestations.

Example: When reading prophesy in the bible about their future, and the prophet uses terms like "Chariots of fire" to describe what they saw being used in future battles, it is perfectly appropriate to suppose he was describing a modern "Tank". A tank would be closer to it's "TRUE" manifistation.

Praying and asking the Lord to help us understand things by "WISDOM" helps clairify mysteries. The bible doesn't always clairify the use of modern technology to clairify wisdom, but the bible does reach into the future and proposes this; "Let him who has wisdom, understand the number of the beast". In other words, it is up to us to figure it out through our relationship with our Lord in the landscape we now live in. The Holy Spirit being our Helper, our Teacher and our Comforter.

 

[CTK]

Look at the times we live in. Look at the cruelty against humanity being applied by modern technologies and the disregard for human life in many area's of science. Beginning with abortions and the millions of murders committed before God by so called compassionate people, to allowing children at ages not yet near accountability make choices to have their bodies subjected to mutillation of how God created them and then changed into distortions of their original birth and without parental consent or even notification. Not applying the times we live in today when studying biblical times that were different then misses todays functions, methods and operations that will be used to bring these prophesies to their true modern manifestations.

Example: When reading prophesy in the bible about their future, and the prophet uses terms like "Chariots of fire" to describe what they saw being used in future battles, it is perfectly appropriate to suppose he was describing a modern "Tank". A tank would be closer to it's "TRUE" manifistation.

Praying and asking the Lord to help us understand things by "WISDOM" helps clairify mysteries. The bible doesn't always clairify the use of modern technology to clairify wisdom, but the bible does reach into the future and proposes this; "Let him who has wisdom, understand the number of the beast". In other words, it is up to us to figure it out through our relationship with our Lord in the landscape we now live in. The Holy Spirit being our Helper, our Teacher and our Comforter.

Ok, and thanks for your comments!

 

[Timtofly]

As I mentioned to you before, you have grossly brought Daniel and Revelation together as though they were speaking the same prophectic messages from God...they are not. Daniel has its own message from God that are written for His people as they return from Babylon and the arrival of the Messiah. Yes, chapter 11 does go into details about the events after the cross to the little horn sitting on top of the 4th kingdom beast now known as papal Rome, but that is where Daniel ends. He is not writing to the end time folks...

Daniel will help us interpret Revelation but they are not meant to give us the same story... You do not understand the structure and boundaries and borders and restrictions that are given to us in Daniel. Chapter 2 gives us all the restrictions, borders and boundaries, and limitations and guidance for us to interpret Daniel - not only does it give us the number of kings and kingdoms, but the time elements these prophecies belong in --- but everyone has not found or honored or even recognized this very distinct series of limiations. God has designed Daniel with 4 very distinct corners just like a 1000 piece puzzle set.

You still want to try and match Daniel with Revelation using Revelation as the standard ... it is a completed different book with a very different message for a very different period of time. Essentially, Daniel ends at the cross, while Revelation begins after the cross. Do you think it is a coincicdence that after the chaptrer 1 introduction chapter He begins discussing the 7 churches? This is the first event that takes place after the cross - the beginning of His church... and it moves forward not backwards into the Old Testament or even Daniel - it moves forward to today's time but it will use familiar symbols found in Daniel, Isaiah, etc. to help us identify their meaning...


And regarding the need or declare who each individual in history is found in Revelation or Daniel - that makes no sense because God has indeed given us all that we need to identify each and every actor in both Daniel and Revelation....Revelation does not clear up Daniel - they are two very different books and speak about two very different times in our history - Daniel speaks up to His first coming while Revelation speaks to His return . One ends with the cross and the other begins with the cross.

If you want to study and understand Daniel - ignore Revelation - there is nothing in Revelation that will TEACH you about Daniel. Daniel will provide some very needed symbols and history - 4 kingdoms and their kings that will be referenced in Revelation ..

I can see by your questions and certainly many others that you are not able to treat them as very separate books with different audiences, prophetic time lines and purposes....

Of course they are seperate books, but they are about the same historical kingdoms from Babylon until Jesus' millennial kingdom.

Daniel does not explain Revelation, and Revelation does not explain Daniel. Only you are making that claim, that you interpret Revelation using Daniel. Daniel only gets us to the Reformation, and, at that point, the papacy lost all power, over world governments. If you think the papacy will rise again, you are putting Daniel into some future papal authority position

I keep posting that your 4th kingdom ended around 500 AD, and the 5th kingdom of Daniel 2 ended at the Reformation in the 15th century. We are in the 6th kingdom, the head with the mortal wound, because no single entity controls the entire world. The papacy did not even cover as much of Asia as your pagan Rome did. Neither Babylon, Medes and Persians, nor Greece controlled as much as your pagan Rome, the 4th kingdom of Daniel. Rome was the pinnacle of Daniel 2, and even later chapters of Daniel.

But the 4th kingdom did not even exist after the 5th century. Where in Daniel do you have any information given about the Second Coming, and thousand year reign of Christ on the earth? Jesus reigns over the 7th human kingdom for a thousand years. How do you interpret that from Daniel?

How is my understanding of history any different than yours according to Daniel? There was Babylon. Then the Medes and Persians. Then along came Greece followed closely by Rome. That covers 4 of the heads of the dragon. That covers 4 of the heads of the sea beast. That covers 4 of the heads of the scarlet colored beast. The first 5 heads of these three renditions of history in Revelation, were covered in Daniel 2. Why would I say Revelation talks about these 5 historical kingdoms, without mentioning Daniel 2?

John sees these historical kingdoms through 3 different lenses. Their association with Satan. Their association with humanity. And the association of these kingdoms with Jerusalem. Sorry, but I am not one who tries to name historical individuals: past, present, nor future and rams them into any book of the Bible.

Satan is the only individual who was, is not, and is to ascend out of the pit. Revelation 17:8

"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit,"

 

[Gottservant]

Okay, I am now at verse 13:17-18 which introduces us to the number 666.

I don’t expect this is going to be an easy interpretation… as many have been, but I don’t think I have seen or read any that made any sense … but I have never studied this before …

So, anyone truly interpret these two verses?

The number tells you how to interpret the Name of the Lord anagrammatically.

The number has been confused with the number of the false prophet, it should be 616 (for the anti-Christ).

What you do is you take the Name Yeshua and you rearrange the letters, using the number 616.

Done correctly, you get the name 'Asyuhe' - or "as you are".

'Asyuhe' - or "as you are", points to the idea that the anti-Christ promises you Heaven, but without a change of heart - you are promised the mark won't change you, but it corrupts your soul (which is in need of change).