The slander against the faithful apostle Paul

[Bob Estey]

Yes, apostle means one sent of God.

And the Lord obviously used Paul to (and the other biblical writers) to continue His teaching ministry thru His Apostles after He had ascended back up to Heaven.





That would be disagreeing with the teaching ministry of Jesus Christ.... Paul didn't just dream up stuff to write, no... the Lord Jesus thru the Holy Ghost directed Paul what to write





No, actually the Holy Spirit led Paul to teach Peter about this.
This does not mean the writing of Peter are any less from the Lord than Paul's writings.





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ALL the biblical writers got what they wrote from the Lord






Yes, that would be rejecting the teaching of the Lord... which is exactly what the devil is trying to do is get people to question and reject what God says... just like he did with Adam and Eve in the garden. This is satan's MO






Those believing any part of God's Word to not be the teaching of the Lord.... have zero basis for believing anything from the Word of God.

Women should leave the speaking to men in public church services because God created man first and gave Him authority (1 Timothy 2:13), and God created woman for the man... not man for the woman (see 1 Corinthians 11:9)

Those that put what people think above what the Lord says are sadly very deceived and as such have an open door to the devil in their lives to bring in more and more deception.






Much false doctrine is present in jw congregations





Some folks pick and choose the bits and pieces of scripture that tickles
there eras and throws the rest of God's Word in the trash!

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Jesus and Paul are two different people. Jesus is divine. Paul is human.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't think the Lord instructed Paul to say that women can't speak when they are in a church, but that's what he said (1 Corinthians 14:33-36).

But God did, And in Corinth, it was a must. Because of the culture and the way men in the city thouht of women. A woman who would speak would offend many men, and cause them to walk out. and reject any teaching of God.

many things we have to take in context of the culture and the audience paul is speaking to. and know some things may not apply to us today.

Paul said he was all things to all people.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am saying we need to obey God and Jesus. They are quoted many times in the Bible.

As for Paul, if you believe everything he said in the Bible was inspired by God, then I'm sure you don't let women speak when they are in your church, as that is what Paul taught (1 Corinthians 14:33-36).

again not true.

If you do not believe everything paul said, you have put the word of God in question. If I can not trust Paul. Who peter said wrote scripture. then I can not trust anyone

 

[Bob Estey]

But God did, And in Corinth, it was a must. Because of the culture and the way men in the city thouht of women. A woman who would speak would offend many men, and cause them to walk out. and reject any teaching of God.

many things we have to take in context of the culture and the audience paul is speaking to. and know some things may not apply to us today.

Paul said he was all things to all people.

If God commanded it then, why wouldn't he command it now?

 

[Bob Estey]

again not true.

If you do not believe everything paul said, you have put the word of God in question. If I can not trust Paul. Who peter said wrote scripture. then I can not trust anyone

There is only one God and one Son. Paul is not God. The Bible is not God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If God commanded it then, why wouldn't he command it now?

Because we do not have that problem today (except with a few churches. women can speak and no one will be offended, and the gospel will not be hindered)

 

[Bob Estey]

Because we do not have that problem today (except with a few churches. women can speak and no one will be offended, and the gospel will not be hindered)

God's commands are forever - you can't say we don't need them anymore. Except it wasn't God who said women can't speak when they are in a church.

 

[amigo de christo]

Isn't it an attack on God if you try to contradict any inspired saying of Paul?

He who despises , despises not man but GOD who has given unto us HIS SPIRIT . paul wrote that .
You see if a man hates TRUTH
They can holler from morning to noon and then from noon to evening and then from evening to midnight
I LOVE GOD . but they decieve only THEMSELVES .
He who loveth NOT TRUTH loveth NOT GOD WHO INSPIRED TRUTH . And every lovely word of GOD is truth .
EVERY word the SPIRIT moved men to say or to write , IS TRUTH .
Just a friendly reminder to us all . cause a lot of folks sure seem to hate things paul taught
or jude did , or perhaps peter or james , and things JESUS taught . And sure seem to love
the version of what THEY THINK IS TRUTH that men TWISTED Unto them as TRUTH and yet is a lie .
We need to be on gaurd for many decievers do abound . The bible , I KNOW IT IS TRUTH ALL WITHIN THEM pages
SO i say LET GOD be true but every man a liar . THEY who twist his words ARE THEY THIS LAMB HEEDS NOT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus and Paul are two different people. Jesus is divine. Paul is human.

True indeed . And yet by the divine SPIRIT within paul came forth some lovely words . known as TRUTH .
However since you made this point
MIND TELLLING ME why so many sit in churches where men and etc
call men MOST HOLY FATHER , OR MOST HOLY REVERAND . cause THAT IS GOD ALONE .
men are , what was it you wrote , JUST HUMAN . exactly . TIME TO FLEE such places and such men who
sure love to have the pre emeinence , who sure love to be seen and called flattering titles ,
WHO , i might add , Teach a whole lot of dung too which so many seem to see as HOLY . kinda odd dont ya think
BIBLE TIME friend . do be encouraged bob .

 

[amigo de christo]

God's commands are forever - you can't say we don't need them anymore. Except it wasn't God who said women can't speak when they are in a church.

Even peter says why .
Have you ever noticed that not one apostel called
was female . Might wanna ask yourself NOW WHY was that .
cause women cannot lead or ursurp authority over the man .
Now i know , i know i am gonna hear
the same ol line given by most .
HEY amigo the only reason that paul or others said this
was due to the customs of the land .
TO which i say
READ the bible and you will find out exactly why
FOR ADAM was first formed then eve ............ HE GAVE A BIBLICAL reason , not a customs of the land reason .
Sure is easy to expose men who love to lie to the people .
Just read YOUR bible and learn it well . Men love to decieve and they sure love to please man
in order to be pleased by man themselves . Thems wolves friend
who dont care for the sheep but for their own survival in this ever changing world . PS i would not heed a word one outta they mouths
if i were you . Rather lets just enjoy the bible again for ourselves .

 

[amigo de christo]

There is only one God and one Son. Paul is not God. The Bible is not God.

The bible is not GOD . BUT IT SURE DO CONTAIN HIS WORDS .
dont ya think it odd that so many can twist them words
and yet sit under twisted men who speak and treat their twisted words as though they be the words of GOD
and yet the bible as just some book . kINDA ODD dont ya think .
MEN love what they love and i know i cannot change what a man loves .
BUT I KNOW GOD CHANGES HIS OWN and they LOVE TRUTH baby not the lies of men gone wrong .
That is a super friendly reminder to day . HOPE it encourages you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There is only one God and one Son. Paul is not God. The Bible is not God.

No. But Paul wrote scripture

All scripture is God breathed

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

And peter tells us pauls words are scripture

2 Peter 3:16
as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God's commands are forever - you can't say we don't need them anymore. Except it wasn't God who said women can't speak when they are in a church.

lol.. the command was not given to the church. it was given to that local church.

 

[Wick Stick]

Isn't it an attack on God if you try to contradict any inspired saying of Paul?

What about the non-inspired ones...

1Co 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

 

[amigo de christo]

What about the non-inspired ones...

1Co 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

that was WHY paul made it known this was allowed but not a commandment .
YOU DO realize
that in the law not only could jews , but THEY MUST put away an unbeleiving spouse . OH YES
even stone them to death .
Paul was not saying one CANNOT put away his UNBELIEVING spouse
but rather was making the point if the unbeliever desires to stay
WHY put them away , Ye might win them , never know . BUT IFS THEY do depart , LET THEM DEPART .
Me thinks this generation had rather beleive men of this last age rather than the truth in scrips .
NOW WHY is that you might ask , CAUSE what is written is getting in the way of what they love the most
THEY SIN . might wanna ponder on that one for a bit . INTERFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST .
you see the large letters , i would love to hear what you think about interfaith
be it a love message from GOD , or be it of anti christ himself . FEEL FREE to explain . ANTI CHRIST that satanic thing is .
BUT HEY , what says you .

 

[Bob Estey]

True indeed . And yet by the divine SPIRIT within paul came forth some lovely words . known as TRUTH .
However since you made this point
MIND TELLLING ME why so many sit in churches where men and etc
call men MOST HOLY FATHER , OR MOST HOLY REVERAND . cause THAT IS GOD ALONE .
men are , what was it you wrote , JUST HUMAN . exactly . TIME TO FLEE such places and such men who
sure love to have the pre emeinence , who sure love to be seen and called flattering titles ,
WHO , i might add , Teach a whole lot of dung too which so many seem to see as HOLY . kinda odd dont ya think
BIBLE TIME friend . do be encouraged bob .

Paul was a very wise man. I've learned much from him. That doesn't make him perfect.

 

[Bob Estey]

Even peter says why .
Have you ever noticed that not one apostel called
was female . Might wanna ask yourself NOW WHY was that .
cause women cannot lead or ursurp authority over the man .
Now i know , i know i am gonna hear
the same ol line given by most .
HEY amigo the only reason that paul or others said this
was due to the customs of the land .
TO which i say
READ the bible and you will find out exactly why
FOR ADAM was first formed then eve ............ HE GAVE A BIBLICAL reason , not a customs of the land reason .
Sure is easy to expose men who love to lie to the people .
Just read YOUR bible and learn it well . Men love to decieve and they sure love to please man
in order to be pleased by man themselves . Thems wolves friend
who dont care for the sheep but for their own survival in this ever changing world . PS i would not heed a word one outta they mouths
if i were you . Rather lets just enjoy the bible again for ourselves .

Commandments don't change. It'll never be okay to steal.

 

[Bob Estey]

The bible is not GOD . BUT IT SURE DO CONTAIN HIS WORDS .
dont ya think it odd that so many can twist them words
and yet sit under twisted men who speak and treat their twisted words as though they be the words of GOD
and yet the bible as just some book . kINDA ODD dont ya think .
MEN love what they love and i know i cannot change what a man loves .
BUT I KNOW GOD CHANGES HIS OWN and they LOVE TRUTH baby not the lies of men gone wrong .
That is a super friendly reminder to day . HOPE it encourages you

Yes, God and Jesus are quoted frequently in the Bible.

 

[Bob Estey]

No. But Paul wrote scripture

All scripture is God breathed

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

And peter tells us pauls words are scripture

2 Peter 3:16
as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

Remember this about scripture:


[39] You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
[40] yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. John 5:39-40 RSV

 

[Bob Estey]

lol.. the command was not given to the church. it was given to that local church.

Then you could ignore the entire Bible since none of it was written for us.