When Jesus Came out the Grave, he was Born Again.

[bro.tan]

My point is that we do not obtain their promise. We are only included in a pre-millennial experience. Jeremiah 31 is talking about the millennial reign of Jesus Christ and salvation to the Jews only. We only get a sneak peek of that great day. That is why it is a partial dark glass experience right now. We have no separate gentile covenant with God.

I need scriptures and verses to understand what you saying.

 

[Truther]

I need scriptures and verses to understand what you saying.

I sent you scriptures.

 

[Davy]

Hey davy .
Allow me to ask you a question .
Do you beleive its possible for an anti christ to cloak itself in wool
and yet comes in to deceive and to allure the peoples within christendom
away from Reminding all of the dire need to BELIEVE IN JESUS the CHRIST .

You mean the old saying of hiding in 'sheep's clothing'?

Well yeah, the actual meaning of the word 'antichrist' in the Greek is 'the instead of Christ', or 'the in place of Christ'. The 'anti' in Greek has more meaning than just 'against'.

In Matthew 24:23-26, Jesus told you what the Antichrist is coming to do, i.e., coming to play Jesus Christ Himself. It's just that English Bible translations fail to bring that out from the Greek. The KJV translators chose to translate Greek pseudochristos as "false Christs", like many Christs. But it's easy to realize that the actual context of that whole Matthew 24:23-26 subject is about a SINGULAR false one that the deceived will say is The Christ. So it means the KJV translators, and others, should have translated Greek pseudochristos to "false Christ" singular tense. Afterall, the Greek pseudochristos is 2 Greek words, pseudo which means false, and Christos which means Christ singular. Just because a Greek word has an 's' on the end of it does not necessarily mean it is always plural like it does in English. This is also why Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined Greek pseudochristos as "a spurious Messiah" (NT:5580).

MANY now do the work and the working of anti christ
THEY come in with the cliam OH I BELIEVE but imply in subtile crafity ways , however its not NECESSARY for others to beleive .
THESE WILL SUFFER the worst damnation of all . For they used HIS NAME to DENY HIM .

That above of course is a Pop tradition, not really what The Bible teaches about the word "antichrist". It's not a movement, not humanistic, though it does involve the 'spirit' of Antichrist.

The REAL ACTUAL "antichrist" that 1 John 2:18 is pointing to is the devil himself. It is NOT a flesh man. Those confused about this are the ones who rely on that Pop doctrine you show that the antichrist can be just about anybody. Not so, per God's Word.


In 1 John 2:18, Apostle John taught about 2 different "antichrist" concepts:

1 - that the brethren had already heard that "antichrist" shall come. That is about the coming false-Messiah at the end of this world which Jesus warned of in Matt.24:23-26. It is the same "man of sin" that Apostle Paul warned of in 2 Thess.2 that will sit in a stone temple in Jerusalem playing GOD. It is the same "another beast" that has 2 horns LIKE The Lamb, but speaks as the "dragon" (Satan). It will be the devil himself, here on earth, in plain sight, in Jerusalem, as Messiah that the deceived will believe is The Christ having come.

2. - then John mentioned the idea of the "many antichrists", that they were already at work. That means in contrast to the first "antichrist", which shows that first "antichrist" was not here yet, not at work yet. The "many antichrists" represent the servants or followers of the "antichrist" (devil). Those are the "tares" in Jesus' parable of the tares of the field (Matt.13). They are the "mystery of iniquity" that Paul said were already at work in 2 Thess.2. They are the "workers of iniquity" of Old Testament history. They include the crept in unawares of Jude 4.

 

[amigo de christo]

You mean the old saying of hiding in 'sheep's clothing'?

Well yeah, the actual meaning of the word 'antichrist' in the Greek is 'the instead of Christ', or 'the in place of Christ'. The 'anti' in Greek has more meaning than just 'against'.

In Matthew 24:23-26, Jesus told you what the Antichrist is coming to do, i.e., coming to play Jesus Christ Himself. It's just that English Bible translations fail to bring that out from the Greek. The KJV translators chose to translate Greek pseudochristos as "false Christs", like many Christs. But it's easy to realize that the actual context of that whole Matthew 24:23-26 subject is about a SINGULAR false one that the deceived will say is The Christ. So it means the KJV translators, and others, should have translated Greek pseudochristos to "false Christ" singular tense. Afterall, the Greek pseudochristos is 2 Greek words, pseudo which means false, and Christos which means Christ singular. Just because a Greek word has an 's' on the end of it does not necessarily mean it is always plural like it does in English. This is also why Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined Greek pseudochristos as "a spurious Messiah" (NT:5580).




That above of course is a Pop tradition, not really what The Bible teaches about the word "antichrist". It's not a movement, not humanistic, though it does involve the 'spirit' of Antichrist.

The REAL ACTUAL "antichrist" that 1 John 2:18 is pointing to is the devil himself. It is NOT a flesh man. Those confused about this are the ones who rely on that Pop doctrine you show that the antichrist can be just about anybody. Not so, per God's Word.


In 1 John 2:18, Apostle John taught about 2 different "antichrist" concepts:

1 - that the brethren had already heard that "antichrist" shall come. That is about the coming false-Messiah at the end of this world which Jesus warned of in Matt.24:23-26. It is the same "man of sin" that Apostle Paul warned of in 2 Thess.2 that will sit in a stone temple in Jerusalem playing GOD. It is the same "another beast" that has 2 horns LIKE The Lamb, but speaks as the "dragon" (Satan). It will be the devil himself, here on earth, in plain sight, in Jerusalem, as Messiah that the deceived will believe is The Christ having come.

2. - then John mentioned the idea of the "many antichrists", that they were already at work. That means in contrast to the first "antichrist", which shows that first "antichrist" was not here yet, not at work yet. The "many antichrists" represent the servants or followers of the "antichrist" (devil). Those are the "tares" in Jesus' parable of the tares of the field (Matt.13). They are the "mystery of iniquity" that Paul said were already at work in 2 Thess.2. They are the "workers of iniquity" of Old Testament history. They include the crept in unawares of Jude 4.

Interfaith is the song that leadeth all as one to ANTI CHRIST .
Reader beware this song cometh in under the guise its love and of GOD .
But upon simple examination of the lips of one who is under it , YA GONNA see
it serves the devil , Not GOD .
As far as men and their greek and wisdom . Their constant attacks on the KJV and older translations ,
I seems to notice within each group even their own greek and thus sayeth our scholar contradicts one the other .
SO JUST WHOSE GREEK is right , WHOSE scholar is right .
WHAT I NOTICE is , and READER , YA BESS TAKE HEED , is they twisting things to fit ideals and agendas .
So reader beware , the one thing all these charlatons have in common is this
One cannot truly learn the scrips on their own . And while i also know we got some dung poor translations
I can back up the error i spot , THEY CANNOT , they have to jus say , OH ITS A FALSE VERSION .
Well i can say its a bad version , BUT I CAN SHOW ONE WHY . without having to SPEAK GREEK ,
OR ETC . MEN DECIEVE bud . and many love to have it so . SO , lets ease up on the hate against KJV
and STOP blindly following men and they scholars whcih say WE HAVETH THE GREEK .

 

[amigo de christo]

You mean the old saying of hiding in 'sheep's clothing'?

Well yeah, the actual meaning of the word 'antichrist' in the Greek is 'the instead of Christ', or 'the in place of Christ'. The 'anti' in Greek has more meaning than just 'against'.

In Matthew 24:23-26, Jesus told you what the Antichrist is coming to do, i.e., coming to play Jesus Christ Himself. It's just that English Bible translations fail to bring that out from the Greek. The KJV translators chose to translate Greek pseudochristos as "false Christs", like many Christs. But it's easy to realize that the actual context of that whole Matthew 24:23-26 subject is about a SINGULAR false one that the deceived will say is The Christ. So it means the KJV translators, and others, should have translated Greek pseudochristos to "false Christ" singular tense. Afterall, the Greek pseudochristos is 2 Greek words, pseudo which means false, and Christos which means Christ singular. Just because a Greek word has an 's' on the end of it does not necessarily mean it is always plural like it does in English. This is also why Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined Greek pseudochristos as "a spurious Messiah" (NT:5580).




That above of course is a Pop tradition, not really what The Bible teaches about the word "antichrist". It's not a movement, not humanistic, though it does involve the 'spirit' of Antichrist.

The REAL ACTUAL "antichrist" that 1 John 2:18 is pointing to is the devil himself. It is NOT a flesh man. Those confused about this are the ones who rely on that Pop doctrine you show that the antichrist can be just about anybody. Not so, per God's Word.


In 1 John 2:18, Apostle John taught about 2 different "antichrist" concepts:

1 - that the brethren had already heard that "antichrist" shall come. That is about the coming false-Messiah at the end of this world which Jesus warned of in Matt.24:23-26. It is the same "man of sin" that Apostle Paul warned of in 2 Thess.2 that will sit in a stone temple in Jerusalem playing GOD. It is the same "another beast" that has 2 horns LIKE The Lamb, but speaks as the "dragon" (Satan). It will be the devil himself, here on earth, in plain sight, in Jerusalem, as Messiah that the deceived will believe is The Christ having come.

2. - then John mentioned the idea of the "many antichrists", that they were already at work. That means in contrast to the first "antichrist", which shows that first "antichrist" was not here yet, not at work yet. The "many antichrists" represent the servants or followers of the "antichrist" (devil). Those are the "tares" in Jesus' parable of the tares of the field (Matt.13). They are the "mystery of iniquity" that Paul said were already at work in 2 Thess.2. They are the "workers of iniquity" of Old Testament history. They include the crept in unawares of Jude 4.

a pops traditoin Hind foot . most folks have zero idea what is going on RIGHT NOW .
that indeed many anti christs are already at work , WHEREBY I KNOW ITS THE LAST TIME .
Even now there are MANY anti christs whereby WE KNOW its the last time . You really wanna twist that SIMPLE
truth to imply what you desire to beleive . PRETTY plain to me .
Not to mention WHO is a liar , HE WHO DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
well guess what buddy , ALL RELIGOINS DENY HE IS CHRIST , cept true christains of course .
SO how about we talk about satans interfaith for a bit .
How do you view this finding common ground interfaith stuff .
Lets talk about that shall we .

 

[Davy]

a pops traditoin Hind foot . most folks have zero idea what is going on RIGHT NOW .
that indeed many anti christs are already at work , WHEREBY I KNOW ITS THE LAST TIME .
Even now there are MANY anti christs whereby WE KNOW its the last time . You really wanna twist that SIMPLE
truth to imply what you desire to beleive . PRETTY plain to me .

I'm not twisting anything. I simply showed you the ACTUAL reading of the 1 John 2:18 verse that covers TWO antichrist concepts, a SINGULAR "antichrist" they had heard SHALL COME, and then the "many antichrists" that were ALREADY AT WORK, which are the only one you appear to want to address!

So push your confusion of that Scripture on someone else, I don't have to listen to it!

FURTHERMORE... stay DECEIVED about that future coming SINGULAR ANTICHRIST that Apostle John said the brethren had ALREADY heard shall come!

Also, you might as well just RIP OUT OF YOUR BIBLE Lord Jesus' warning about that coming false one in the Matthew 24:23-26 Scriptures. And also do the same RIP OUT OF YOUR BIBLE of 2 Thessalonians 2 where Paul was warning about that SAME coming false one, and likewise in Revelation 13:11 forward about that "another beast" which is the SAME one Jesus and Paul were WARNING THE CHURCH ABOUT!

Suck on that MILK BOTTLE of men's stupid traditions you appear to love so much, because they were devised by the simple minded who don't actually study their Bible that much!

Welcome to my IGNORE LIST!

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm not twisting anything. I simply showed you the ACTUAL reading of the 1 John 2:18 verse that covers TWO antichrist concepts, a SINGULAR "antichrist" they had heard SHALL COME, and then the "many antichrists" that were ALREADY AT WORK, which are the only one you appear to want to address!

So push your confusion of that Scripture on someone else, I don't have to listen to it!

FURTHERMORE... stay DECEIVED about that future coming SINGULAR ANTICHRIST that Apostle John said the brethren had ALREADY heard shall come!

Also, you might as well just RIP OUT OF YOUR BIBLE Lord Jesus' warning about that coming false one in the Matthew 24:23-26 Scriptures. And also do the same RIP OUT OF YOUR BIBLE of 2 Thessalonians 2 where Paul was warning about that SAME coming false one, and likewise in Revelation 13:11 forward about that "another beast" which is the SAME one Jesus and Paul were WARNING THE CHURCH ABOUT!

Suck on that MILK BOTTLE of men's stupid traditions you appear to love so much, because they were devised by the simple minded who don't actually study their Bible that much!

Welcome to my IGNORE LIST!

Yes i agree there is a singular force of anti christ .
Right now we have many anti christs at work , preaching interfaith and false lovey do all inclusive
AND THEY ARE PREPARING ALL to recieve THIS ANTI CHRIST .
TRUMP and THE POPE are key players in this event . as are many and scores of others .
I needs to hear what you THINK about interfaith . YOU sure put me on ignore real fast .
AND YA NEVER TALKED ABOUT INTERFIATH . now why is that

 

[Marvelloustime]

Yes i agree there is a singular force of anti christ .
Right now we have many anti christs at work , preaching interfaith and false lovey do all inclusive
AND THEY ARE PREPARING ALL to recieve THIS ANTI CHRIST .
TRUMP and THE POPE are key players in this event . as are many and scores of others .
I needs to hear what you THINK about interfaith . YOU sure put me on ignore real fast .
AND YA NEVER TALKED ABOUT INTERFIATH . now why is that

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

a pops traditoin Hind foot . most folks have zero idea what is going on RIGHT NOW .
that indeed many anti christs are already at work , WHEREBY I KNOW ITS THE LAST TIME .
Even now there are MANY anti christs whereby WE KNOW its the last time . You really wanna twist that SIMPLE
truth to imply what you desire to beleive . PRETTY plain to me .
Not to mention WHO is a liar , HE WHO DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
well guess what buddy , ALL RELIGOINS DENY HE IS CHRIST , cept true christains of course .
SO how about we talk about satans interfaith for a bit .
How do you view this finding common ground interfaith stuff .
Lets talk about that shall we .

@amigo de christo

 

[NayborBear]

Have you seen or entered the Kingdom of God and if so can you please described your experience? Anyone who has been born again is free to answer this question.

Sure dude-or dudette!
I don't know if EVERYONE'S "experience" is like mine......But here goes!
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

There I was sitting in my living room watching TV when outta nowhere?
This feeling of love just started coming into me. Growing in feeling AND intensity that, like above mentioned "fervent heat," everything in my mind, thoughts, heart, soul, spirit, just started melting away very similar to candle wax (only of a much thicker substance...lol) in a pan on top of a stove top. At first? It felt good! Then VERY good! But as this fervent intensity of Love kept growing/welling up inside of me, similar I reckon to a tsunami, just rolling over EVERYTHING in its path and nothing ( I could do anyways) to "stop" it?
I ceased feeling very good, and started feeling scared! Then VERY scared!
Just in case y'all don't think you'd be scared?
You'd be 100% WRONG!
It got to a point when I cried out BEGGING Him/It to STOP!

INSTANTLY I was seeing this vision of what seemed to be "the essence" of my beating heart in Someone's Hand! Looking at my flesh and my whole life up to that point laying there on the floor like a blob of so much protoplasm! (At THIS point? I wasn't scared anymore.....Not SURE just WHAT I was as a matter of fact! Nor SURE of WHERE I was! Outside of the fact I felt like I was in DEEP Doo-Doo!

Then this voice, rather calm and reassuring (couldn't see the face) sez "HI!" "Just came by to say Hi, and see How yer doing!" Telling me that that which I just felt? (that fervent heat of Love) was just about a half a fingernail of Love!
To which later I realized that it HAD to be what it's like to be "harvested" by the angels from the Lord of the Harvest! Plucked up "wheat and false wheat, ROOTS AND ALL!"
And this voice telling me: "There's just SOMETIMES?" "Ya just hafta do things Yourself!" "To ENSURE it gets done RIGHT!"

And He talked to me about how He feels so left OUT and so SADDENED when people pray to Jesus without ever even mentioning or acknowledging Him! Saying: "What am I?" "Chicken liver to these people??!!"
Told me a lotta things! Some I can share? Some I can't

Changed my life forever those 20 minutes did! Felt like much longer though!
That was almost 50 years ago now! Also something, should this happen, is a thing one NEVER forgets!

Here is the "gist" of what came from this experience!

1 Peter 2:5 (KJV)
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Hope this helps someone!

wooddog?
You wanna read this?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

big picture guy

Hey man, could you see if you can make those images larger?
The larger you make them, the more you are getting your point across!

 

[wooddog]

Sure dude-or dudette!
I don't know if EVERYONE'S "experience" is like mine......But here goes!
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

There I was sitting in my living room watching TV when outta nowhere?
This feeling of love just started coming into me. Growing in feeling AND intensity that, like above mentioned "fervent heat," everything in my mind, thoughts, heart, soul, spirit, just started melting away very similar to candle wax (only of a much thicker substance...lol) in a pan on top of a stove top. At first? It felt good! Then VERY good! But as this fervent intensity of Love kept growing/welling up inside of me, similar I reckon to a tsunami, just rolling over EVERYTHING in its path and nothing ( I could do anyways) to "stop" it?
I ceased feeling very good, and started feeling scared! Then VERY scared!
Just in case y'all don't think you'd be scared?
You'd be 100% WRONG!
It got to a point when I cried out BEGGING Him/It to STOP!

INSTANTLY I was seeing this vision of what seemed to be "the essence" of my beating heart in Someone's Hand! Looking at my flesh and my whole life up to that point laying there on the floor like a blob of so much protoplasm! (At THIS point? I wasn't scared anymore.....Not SURE just WHAT I was as a matter of fact! Nor SURE of WHERE I was! Outside of the fact I felt like I was in DEEP Doo-Doo!

Then this voice, rather calm and reassuring (couldn't see the face) sez "HI!" "Just came by to say Hi, and see How yer doing!" Telling me that that which I just felt? (that fervent heat of Love) was just about a half a fingernail of Love!
To which later I realized that it HAD to be what it's like to be "harvested" by the angels from the Lord of the Harvest! Plucked up "wheat and false wheat, ROOTS AND ALL!"
And this voice telling me: "There's just SOMETIMES?" "Ya just hafta do things Yourself!" "To ENSURE it gets done RIGHT!"

And He talked to me about how He feels so left OUT and so SADDENED when people pray to Jesus without ever even mentioning or acknowledging Him! Saying: "What am I?" "Chicken liver to these people??!!"
Told me a lotta things! Some I can share? Some I can't

Changed my life forever those 20 minutes did! Felt like much longer though!
That was almost 50 years ago now! Also something, should this happen, is a thing one NEVER forgets!

Here is the "gist" of what came from this experience!

1 Peter 2:5 (KJV)
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Hope this helps someone!

wooddog?
You wanna read this?

thank you for sharing, 1 Peter 1;3,4 reserved in heaven for you.

 

[NayborBear]

thank you for sharing, 1 Peter 1;3,4 reserved in heaven for you.

It's that verse 3 that has bothered me in every "assembly of believers" I've visited/attended the past (pert near) 50 years.
Because, it seems in order to "go along to get along" with ones' "steeped" in the "tradition" of the Great
Commission have made void what it means, and what it takes and is required in the building of ones' (own) Spiritual House!
And in doing so, have "watered down" the "deeper" things of the Good News, to the point where Christendom in general has been made into a laughing stock!

It's like they feel like, and are correct inasmuch as being "called." And then going forward/s in one's own (and more times then not) interpretation of just what and where this interpretation goes! (think different denominations......over the millennia)

How many times and from how many pastors/preachers/teachers have you heard about their being "called?"
Yet? Should and/or when "things go south?" All of a sudden? They "hear" a different "call."

And how many times did our Lord and Saviour state: "Many are "called"....."FEW are "Chosen!"

Isaiah 28 comes to mind......
Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to UNDERSTAND doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

12 To whom he (they) said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
(my addition added here)
THIS is the "how/why and/when) their traditions have CEASED being those "lively stones" in the building of BETHEL (house of God/spiritual house)!
Because?

15 (Because) ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

(my addition/interpretation of "my experience")
This is the "way it felt" When He came as a "thief in the night")

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

Funny (Sad actually) how those that don't learn from "HIS-Story", are "Fated/Condemned/(yea)/Required" to repeat it?

26 For his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him.

29 This also cometh forth from the Lord of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working.

This is ALSO in Christ Jesus our Lord AND (JEHOVAH'S) Saviour!

And it is WHEN one keeps pursuing the "High Calling of GOD IN, and ONTO "He who sits on His Throne?"
Is where and when spiritual discernment is gained as well as (the) UNDERSTANDING of this "Government" of the Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Light, that MESSIAH holds up on His shoulders is given!

ALL the Disciples of Jesus "KNEW" this and gave proper homage in their own testimonies as recorded in their written record!

Christendom and beleivers and assemblies of believers' these days?

....Um!.....Not so much!

 

[wooddog]

It's that verse 3 that has bothered me in every "assembly of believers" I've visited/attended the past (pert near) 50 years.
Because, it seems in order to "go along to get along" with ones' "steeped" in the "tradition" of the Great
Commission have made void what it means, and what it takes and is required in the building of ones' (own) Spiritual House!
And in doing so, have "watered down" the "deeper" things of the Good News, to the point where Christendom in general has been made into a laughing stock!

It's like they feel like, and are correct inasmuch as being "called." And then going forward/s in one's own (and more times then not) interpretation of just what and where this interpretation goes! (think different denominations......over the millennia)

How many times and from how many pastors/preachers/teachers have you heard about their being "called?"
Yet? Should and/or when "things go south?" All of a sudden? They "hear" a different "call."

And how many times did our Lord and Saviour state: "Many are "called"....."FEW are "Chosen!"

Isaiah 28 comes to mind......
Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to UNDERSTAND doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

12 To whom he (they) said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
(my addition added here)
THIS is the "how/why and/when) their traditions have CEASED being those "lively stones" in the building of BETHEL (house of God/spiritual house)!
Because?

15 (Because) ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

(my addition/interpretation of "my experience")
This is the "way it felt" When He came as a "thief in the night")

18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

Funny (Sad actually) how those that don't learn from "HIS-Story", are "Fated/Condemned/(yea)/Required" to repeat it?

26 For his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him.

29 This also cometh forth from the Lord of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working.

This is ALSO in Christ Jesus our Lord AND (JEHOVAH'S) Saviour!

And it is WHEN one keeps pursuing the "High Calling of GOD IN, and ONTO "He who sits on His Throne?"
Is where and when spiritual discernment is gained as well as (the) UNDERSTANDING of this "Government" of the Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Light, that MESSIAH holds up on His shoulders is given!

ALL the Disciples of Jesus "KNEW" this and gave proper homage in their own testimonies as recorded in their written record!

Christendom and beleivers and assemblies of believers' these days?

....Um!.....Not so much!

The Kingdom of God is not of this world is it, it is not here or there but within you, Luke 17;21-23. Each day closer to His government, His rewards Revelation 16;15.

 

[Taken]

When Jesus Came out the Grave, he was Born Again.

God is a Celestial Spirit.

Celestial Spirits CAN and DO have the Power to appear to Terrestrial manKIND in the Likeness / Appearance AS a Terrestrial manKIND being.

Gods Spirit HAS been Appearing in the Appearance AS a Terrestrial manKind of being, since the beginning of manKind.

For a human man TO See God (as He IS), they would SEE Gods FACE (as He IS) Spirit… that has not occurred.

Human Mankind of beings Have seen glimpses of Gods ( Glory )…extreme, bright Light.

God “purposed”, IN numerous Human manKind of beings, expressly identified IN Scripture…TO Speak to and Teach “other” Human manKind of beings ABOUT God.

2,000+ years ago, God “Purposed” IN Himself, to Speak and Teach Terrestrial manKind of beings…
VIA sending forth His Word out from His Mouth, To Earth, IN a Body God “Prepared” in the Likeness “AS” a Terrestrial manKind of being.
TO…Speak, Teach, BE an EXAMPLE TO (Stiffed necked Human men…Who could not Believe “By Hearing”…. Wanting Rather… “TO SEE”, the Invisible God,).

God promised and Fulfilled His Promise To Appear to manKind….
And “A majority of manKind…who Saw Him…were Impressed, astonished, amazed with His Speech, Teaching, Works….”… Yet still Doubted, Rejected, Denied, Feared…He was God in the Flesh Likeness AS a man.

Gods Spirit, was Never Corrupt.
Gods Spirit Did Not DIE.
Gods Spirit Did Not “Require or Experience” A ~Re-Birth…

God “in the Likeness AS a Terrestrial man”, WAS and IS corrupt Terrestrial mans “Example” FOR a Corrupt Terrestrial man TO Hear, TRUST, Believe, How To, Become “MADE” (by Gods Power)….IN the LIKENESS of Gods Holy Perfection.

“Gods Spirit was Not “born Again”.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[bro.tan]

I sent you scriptures.

I need scriptures and verses to understand what you saying, send them again, please.

 

[bro.tan]

When Jesus Came out the Grave, he was Born Again.

God is a Celestial Spirit.

Celestial Spirits CAN and DO have the Power to appear to Terrestrial manKIND in the Likeness / Appearance AS a Terrestrial manKIND being.

Gods Spirit HAS been Appearing in the Appearance AS a Terrestrial manKind of being, since the beginning of manKind.

For a human man TO See God (as He IS), they would SEE Gods FACE (as He IS) Spirit… that has not occurred.

Human Mankind of beings Have seen glimpses of Gods ( Glory )…extreme, bright Light.

God “purposed”, IN numerous Human manKind of beings, expressly identified IN Scripture…TO Speak to and Teach “other” Human manKind of beings ABOUT God.

2,000+ years ago, God “Purposed” IN Himself, to Speak and Teach Terrestrial manKind of beings…
VIA sending forth His Word out from His Mouth, To Earth, IN a Body God “Prepared” in the Likeness “AS” a Terrestrial manKind of being.
TO…Speak, Teach, BE an EXAMPLE TO (Stiffed necked Human men…Who could not Believe “By Hearing”…. Wanting Rather… “TO SEE”, the Invisible God,).

God promised and Fulfilled His Promise To Appear to manKind….
And “A majority of manKind…who Saw Him…were Impressed, astonished, amazed with His Speech, Teaching, Works….”… Yet still Doubted, Rejected, Denied, Feared…He was God in the Flesh Likeness AS a man.

Gods Spirit, was Never Corrupt.
Gods Spirit Did Not DIE.
Gods Spirit Did Not “Require or Experience” A ~Re-Birth…

God “in the Likeness AS a Terrestrial man”, WAS and IS corrupt Terrestrial mans “Example” FOR a Corrupt Terrestrial man TO Hear, TRUST, Believe, How To, Become “MADE” (by Gods Power)….IN the LIKENESS of Gods Holy Perfection.

“Gods Spirit was Not “born Again”.

Glory to God,
Taken

When Jesus was in the flesh, the Bible call him the Son of God. Paul tell us in Hebrews 2: 5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. 6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; Thou crownedst him with glory and honour, And didst set him over the works of thy hands: 8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

So when Jesus died and born again he had a different Body and can do other things like pop up from nowhere, etc. Let's go into Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. 28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further. 29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. 30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. 31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

Look at verse 31, once they realized that it was Jesus they spoke with, what happen? He vanished out of their sight. Remember in John chapter 3 and verse 8. The Lord gave an example of how a spirit would look. He likened a spirit to the wind.( John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.)

Look at what 1 Peter says in Ch 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Paul confirm what Peter says the same thing in 1 Corthinan 15: 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Let's read it again.....Paul will show you this in I Corinthians the 15th chapter. Take a close look and you will understand why the Lord said in John chapter 3 flesh and blood can not see the kingdom of God. Pay close attention, Paul will repeat himself several times.

I Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

Why would Paul mention the dead being raised? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Jesus had that spiritual body, not the same body the angel put in Mary. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Look at verse 50, notice what it says "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God". Remembers Jesus said something similar to this in John chapter 3. Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. This is the Fathers Kingdom, which Jesus spoke of. But during the Lord's thousand-year reign with the saint, flesh and blood beings will still be on the earth along with spirit beings. There will be only spirit beings after the second resurrection. Remember what Nicodemus asked the Lord? He asked Him, " how could a man be born again when he was already old?" And the Lord answered by saying, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.” In order for you to be born again you must be changed into a spiritual body.

 

[Taken]

Thou madest him a little lower than the angels

John 1:
1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 10:
[17] Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

God is a mystery…until one Learns the manners, orders and ways of How The Mighty Invisible God has “purposed” in Himself to Communicate with His Created and Made manKIND of beings….and such manKIND of beings TRUST to BELIEVE His order and ways.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Truther]

I need scriptures and verses to understand what you saying, send them again, please.

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You being lazy post those verses out like I do please.

To national Israel at the 2nd coming of Christ...

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.



Our teency inclusion into a portion of their future promise...

1. Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

That's it. That's all the church is included into per the future promise of Jer 31/Heb 8.

And it is a partial, dark glass experience on top of that.

We now see through a dark, obscure lens and the gifts are only partial per 1 cor 13.

The best is yet to come when Jesus returns.


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[Hobie]

Nichodemus got it right asking how could he physically be born again. He destroyed your argument as being born again is not physical nor mental it is spiritual, which as Paul argues will change how we think anrmd how we act.

Nichodemus got it right asking how could he physically be born again. He destroyed your argument as being born again is not physical nor mental it is spiritual, which as Paul argues will change how we think and how we act.

Amen ..