ONLY ONE GOSPEL?

[Doug]

Holding to the notion that only one gospel was preached throughout scripture has implications.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

If, as some say, there is only one gospel preached by Jesus, the twelve, and Paul, then not only the gospel taught the disciples is to be believed, but it commands doing all that Jesus commanded them according to Matthew 28:20.

What therefore should we be doing?

[Matthew 10:5-6 KJV] 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Why were they sent?

[Mark 1:14 KJV] 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

They were sent to preach the gospel of the kingdom. This was the gospel Jesus taught the twelve.

If we say that we are to preach this gospel of the kingdom as well, then it must be preached according to all the aspects attending it.

[Mat 10:7 KJV] 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

If we believe this gospel of the kingdom is for us then we likewise would have to do all Jesus taught and not preach it to the Gentiles, but only to Israel.

[Luke 24:47 KJV] 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

If we believe the so called great commission of Matthew 28:19-20 was given to us then Luke 24:47 must be as well. This verse says to begin at Jerusalem.

It would be correct to rightly divide and acknowledge that Jesus was only commanding the eleven disciples. We can learn from all of scripture but not believe we are given instructions and commandments from all scripture.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Holding to the notion that only one gospel was preached throughout scripture has implications.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

If, as some say, there is only one gospel preached by Jesus, the twelve, and Paul, then not only the gospel taught the disciples is to be believed, but it commands doing all that Jesus commanded them according to Matthew 28:20.

What therefore should we be doing?

[Matthew 10:5-6 KJV] 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Why were they sent?

[Mark 1:14 KJV] 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

They were sent to preach the gospel of the kingdom. This was the gospel Jesus taught the twelve.

If we say that we are to preach this gospel of the kingdom as well, then it must be preached according to all the aspects attending it.

[Mat 10:7 KJV] 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

If we believe this gospel of the kingdom is for us then we likewise would have to do all Jesus taught and not preach it to the Gentiles, but only to Israel.

[Luke 24:47 KJV] 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

If we believe the so called great commission of Matthew 28:19-20 was given to us then Luke 24:47 must be as well. This verse says to begin at Jerusalem.

It would be correct to rightly divide and acknowledge that Jesus was only commanding the eleven disciples. We can learn from all of scripture but not believe we are given instructions and commandments from all scripture.

Hi Doug, Nice post but I need to clarify with you a few things that are problematic in some or your statements;

Jesus' message is not only for Israel. While He initially focused on the Jewish people during His earthly ministry, His mission was always intended to extend beyond Israel to the whole world. Jesus Himself expressed this more clearly as His ministry progressed and especially after His resurrection. Here are some key verses where Jesus indicates that His message is for all people, not just Israel:
"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, 'All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.'"(matthew 28:18-20)
Here, after His resurrection, Jesus clearly instructs His disciples to spread the gospel to "all the nations" (i.e., all peoples, not just Israel). This expands the scope of His message from Israel to the Gentiles.

"Then He taught, saying to them, 'Is it not written, "My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations"? But you have made it a den of thieves.'" (Mark 11:17)
In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Old Testament (Isaiah 56:7) to emphasize that God's house (the temple) is intended to be a place of prayer for "all nations," not just for Israel. This highlights the inclusiveness of His message.

"But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." (Acts 1:8)
Here, Jesus outlines a progression of evangelism, beginning in Israel (Jerusalem, Judea) and spreading to "the end of the earth." This confirms that the message is not limited to Israel but is to go to all people.

Yes it is clear Jesus started to preach to Israel, God's chosen people, it is also clear he did ask the 12 to preach much further including to the gentiles.

can we agree on this since scripture expresses these facts?

As for what Jesus came to preach we can discuss a bit later lets start with this item to keep this simple.

Blessings.

​

 

[Doug]

Hi Doug, Nice post but I need to clarify with you a few things that are problematic in some or your statements;

Jesus' message is not only for Israel. While He initially focused on the Jewish people during His earthly ministry, His mission was always intended to extend beyond Israel to the whole world. Jesus Himself expressed this more clearly as His ministry progressed and especially after His resurrection. Here are some key verses where Jesus indicates that His message is for all people, not just Israel:
"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, 'All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.'"(matthew 28:18-20)
Here, after His resurrection, Jesus clearly instructs His disciples to spread the gospel to "all the nations" (i.e., all peoples, not just Israel). This expands the scope of His message from Israel to the Gentiles.

"Then He taught, saying to them, 'Is it not written, "My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations"? But you have made it a den of thieves.'" (Mark 11:17)
In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Old Testament (Isaiah 56:7) to emphasize that God's house (the temple) is intended to be a place of prayer for "all nations," not just for Israel. This highlights the inclusiveness of His message.

"But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." (Acts 1:8)
Here, Jesus outlines a progression of evangelism, beginning in Israel (Jerusalem, Judea) and spreading to "the end of the earth." This confirms that the message is not limited to Israel but is to go to all people.

Yes it is clear Jesus started to preach to Israel, God's chosen people, it is also clear he did ask the 12 to preach much further including to the gentiles.

can we agree on this since scripture expresses these facts?

As for what Jesus came to preach we can discuss a bit later lets start with this item to keep this simple.

Blessings.

​

It would be correct to rightly divide and acknowledge that Jesus was only commanding the eleven disciples. We can learn from all of scripture but not believe we are given instructions and commandments from all scripture.

first off this is what I wrote in the post. Matthew 28:19-20 was only commanded to the twelve disciples.

[Gen 12:2 KJV] 2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

God established Israel to be a blessing to the nations; through Israel the nations would come to God.

[Mat 5:14 KJV] 14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

God established Israel to be a blessing and a light to the Gentile nations of the world.

I have written the above post Overview of Right division. The believing remnant of Israel will enter the Davidic kingdom on earth and reign as kings and priests with Christ. The Gentile nations that enter the kingdom will be blessed by Israel

 

[Doug]

Jesus' message is not only for Israel.

All scripture is given for us but we are not to think we are being commanded to obey it all

As far as Gentiles,,,they could always become proselytes....gentiles were strangers from Israel's covenants and promises....gentiles could believe Jesus and the twelve preaching the kingdom and would enter the kingdom on earth....Jesus is the light to the Gentiles

 

[LoveYeshua]

All scripture is given for us but we are not to think we are being commanded to obey it all

As far as Gentiles,,,they could always become proselytes....gentiles were strangers from Israel's covenants and promises....gentiles could believe Jesus and the twelve preaching the kingdom and would enter the kingdom on earth....Jesus is the light to the Gentiles

How do you deal with the fact the fact that Peter was appointed by GOD to preach to the gentiles, Peter would have preached all he had learned from Jesus and also what Jesus did for us that, he died for our sins. Do you believe this?

Also you cannot deny scripture that says this;

"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, 'All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.'"(matthew 28:18-20)

After Jesus went to heaven the disciples did in fact go to the gentiles as asked by Jesus, preaching the gospel as Jesus asked them to, this is undeniable.

Does this change anything for you, for your beliefs? is so how?

you wrote;
"All scripture is given for us but we are not to think we are being commanded to obey it all" what part is not to be obeyed, what do you mean by this?

 

[Doug]

How do you deal with the fact the fact that Peter was appointed by GOD to preach to the gentiles, Peter would have preached all he had learned from Jesus and also what Jesus did for us that, he died for our sins. Do you believe this?

[Act 15:7 KJV] 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

I assume this is what you are referring to when you said Peter was appointed to preach to the gentiles. This refers to Acts 10 so lets look at what Peter preached and what the gentiles believed
[Act 10:43 KJV] 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Peter preached only believing on the NAME of Jesus not his death for the sins of all as Paul

 

[Doug]

Also you cannot deny scripture that says this;

"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, 'All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.'"(matthew 28:18-20)

After Jesus went to heaven the disciples did in fact go to the gentiles as asked by Jesus, preaching the gospel as Jesus asked them to, this is undeniable.

This so called great commission was given to the twelve to fulfill in the thousand year kingdom
Where in scripture do we find the disciples going to the gentiles?

 

[Doug]

"All scripture is given for us but we are not to think we are being commanded to obey it all" what part is not to be obeyed, what do you mean by this?

[Mat 19:16-17 KJV] 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Jesus was under the law and taught keeping it...not so for us

 

[LoveYeshua]

[Mat 19:16-17 KJV] 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Jesus was under the law and taught keeping it...not so for us

Doug, you know that Jesus was teaching the 10 commandments, the moral law, he Magnified it , explained it in greater detail. this part of the law will never change.

But I agree Most of the law written by Moses in complement to the 10 commandments that were put OUTSIDE the ark of the covenant.

Most of these laws are no longer necessary for us gentiles, I agree with you.

I explain a bit further with verses in another thread, I think it is on another forum, I will find it for you and repost it as soon as I find it. it is all based on scripture and not on my personal interpretation.

Blessings.

 

[LoveYeshua]

@Doug

Dear Doug, I have found the post please see below. Blessings.

Arguments arise about the relevance of the 10 Commandments and the Law of Moses. I would like to explain here the differences between the two based on scripture (KJV).

The Ten Commandments​

First, the 10 Commandments that were given by GOD, were written by the finger of GOD himself on tables of stone;
Deu 10:1 At that time the LORD said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood.
Deu 10:2 And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.
Deu 10:3 And I made an ark of shittim wood, and hewed two tables of stone like unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in mine hand.
Deu 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.
Deu 10:5 And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me.
Note that the tablets were placed INSIDE the Ark of the Covenant under the Mercy seat. The 10 commandments are on a permanent medium, STONE, they are a permanent record. the 10 Commandments are referred to in the biblical texts as My Commandments or His Commandments. The 10 Commandments are the Moral law left to humanity, Jews and Gentiles alike.
The Law of Moses
Moses wrote a separate set of Laws that contained ordinances precepts, and statutes. They contained many things that were important for the Israelites of that time such as food laws, purity laws, social laws, sacrifice and offerings, instructions for the tabernacle, the priesthood, the sacrifices the feasts and more. Moses also copied to text what was on the tables of stone, the commandments but it does not mean the 10 commandments given by GOD are from Moses, The 10 Commandments have a HOLY status and are forever and are Distinct and separate from the Law of Moses. The law of Moses written on parchment or other similar medium was TEMPORARY by nature and was put OUTSIDE the ark of the covenant as it is written;
Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
Deu 31:27 For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?

The Mercy Seat

The mercy seat covering the Ark of the Covenant puts the emphasis on the Holiness of the Ark of the Covenant and it's contents, the Ten Commandments written on tables of stone;
Exo 25:17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.
Exo 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
Exo 25:19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
Exo 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
Exo 25:21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
Exo 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

The mercy seat was the cover of the ark of the covenant where the Lord would meet with Moses over the 2 cherubim. The ark is HOLY and the contents, the 10 commandments are HOLY being written by GOD himself on a permanent medium ( stone )
Once per year on the day of Atonement, the High priest had to sprinkle blood on the mercy seat covering the ark containing the 10 commandments from a sacrifice for forgiveness of sin. Sin being defined as breaking the 10 commandments, the moral law written on the tablets of stone kept INSIDE THE ARK.


Yeshua, the messiah, the son of GOD, was the ultimate sacrifice, He paid the price for our sins with his blood unto death. Since the Final sacrifice for sin was fulfilled By Christ, The Law of Moses was therefore no longer applicable, it was a temporary Law contrary to the 10 Commandments that will not pass away. The two set of laws were, kept separately, given differently and written differently.


Jesus said we must keep the Ten Commandments to be saved, (Mat. 19:16-19). We are not saved by our obedience to God's law, but by grace thru faith. We must repent of our sins having transgressed the commandments. Repentance changes us from disobedience to willing obedience. Those who are willing to obey the Ten Commandments shall enter thru the gates into the HOLY City;
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
His Commandments are sure and are Love and stand for ever and ever.

"O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever! "(Deu 5:29)

Blessings

 

[Doug]

Doug, you know that Jesus was teaching the 10 commandments, the moral law, he Magnified it , explained it in greater detail. this part of the law will never change.

But I agree Most of the law written by Moses in complement to the 10 commandments that were put OUTSIDE the ark of the covenant.

Most of these laws are no longer necessary for us gentiles, I agree with you.

I explain a bit further with verses in another thread, I think it is on another forum, I will find it for you and repost it as soon as I find it. it is all based on scripture and not on my personal interpretation.

Blessings.

ok

 

[Doug]

Those who are willing to obey the Ten Commandments shall enter thru the gates into the HOLY City;
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Those who will enter are the believing remnant of Israel

 

[LoveYeshua]

Those who will enter are the believing remnant of Israel

I do not disagree with that not at all, Jeremiah and other prophets wrote about this the remnants from all over the world will be brought back to the promised land around the time of Christ's second advent. I have learned a few years back that my ancestry on both sides are from the tribe of Benjamin, However I do not have a Jewish surname. Many in the USA and Canada have Jewish ancestors but are not aware.

Blessings.

 

[Doug]

I do not disagree with that not at all, Jeremiah and other prophets wrote about this the remnants from all over the world will be brought back to the promised land around the time of Christ's second advent. I have learned a few years back that my ancestry on both sides are from the tribe of Benjamin, However I do not have a Jewish surname. Many in the USA and Canada have Jewish ancestors but are not aware.

Blessings.

Cool
Can I ask if you attach any significance to this

 

[LoveYeshua]

Cool
Can I ask if you attach any significance to this

significance to being of Jewish descent or not? yes but also I know the gates of heaven are also opened to people who believe in God and do His will, after all we are all God's children. it is also why GOD/jesus sent apostles to preach to all the world.

significance to the remnants of Israel going back to the promised land? certainly! About 7 years ago I was warned in multiple visions that we are at the beginning of Jacobs trouble, That means also Christ's return is closer than we think, within this generation.

Blessings.

 

[Doug]

we are all God's children.

[Gal 3:26 KJV] 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

 

[JunChosen]

ONLY ONE GOSPEL?​

Most definitely! How else did the Old Testament believers become saved?

The Old Testament believers looked forward to Christ and the New Testament believers looked back to Jesus.

We read that Noah found grace in God.

To God Be The Glory

 

[JunChosen]

[Gal 3:26 KJV] 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

If you have faith, why do you need to exercise it?

To God Be The Glory