The slander against the faithful apostle Paul

[ElieG12]

Have you noticed that the virulent attack on Paul has become a trend on the biblical analysis networks?

From my point of view, it is a maneuver by the enemies of the Scriptures that seems to be affecting many Christians. Some anti-Christians masquerading as biblical scholars are dedicating themselves to spreading on the web the idea that Paul is a false teacher. Let's talk about that here, to help sincere believers not be deceived.

Firstly, we must accept that Paul was completely connected to the official Christian congregation of the first century, including the elders and apostles in Jerusalem, as we can clearly see in the beginnings of his missionary calling by Christ, which we read about in the book of Acts of the Apostles, written by Luke. An illustrative, clear, and compelling example of this is Peter's view of Paul's wisdom, and his letters:

2 Pet. 3:15 Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. (...)

PS: Although Paul did not belong to the group of the twelve main apostles of Jesus, Scripture declares him an "apostle" for his missionary work.

 

[Bob Estey]

Have you noticed that the virulent attack on Paul has become a trend on the biblical analysis networks?

From my point of view, it is a maneuver by the enemies of the Scriptures that seems to be affecting many Christians. Some anti-Christians masquerading as biblical scholars are dedicating themselves to spreading on the web the idea that Paul is a false teacher. Let's talk about that here, to help sincere believers not be deceived.

Firstly, we must accept that Paul was completely connected to the official Christian congregation of the first century, including the elders and apostles in Jerusalem, as we can clearly see in the beginnings of his missionary calling by Christ, which we read about in the book of Acts of the Apostles, written by Luke. An illustrative, clear, and compelling example of this is Peter's view of Paul's wisdom, and his letters:

2 Pet. 3:15 Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. (...)

PS: Although Paul did not belong to the group of the twelve main apostles of Jesus, Scripture declares him an "apostle" for his missionary work.

Is it an attack on Paul if you disagree with something he says?

 

[Jericho]

If it wasn't for the Apostle Paul, Christianity might have remained a a small insular Jewish religion. Paul was instrumental in spreading Christianity to the non-Jews. He's the one who corrected Peter for not eating with gentiles.

 

[ElieG12]

Is it an attack on Paul if you disagree with something he says?

Isn't it an attack on God if you try to contradict any inspired saying of Paul?

 

[MatthewG]

I believe that Paul was the 12 apostle, which was accepted by God. He was sent to the Gentile nations to spread the Gospel which was one of faith, while his other brothers in Israel had spread the Gospel to the Jews which was one of repentance (for having worshiped idols, and worship of the law). Paul explains many of these things within his own messages.

I like Paul, also James, and Peter, they are awesome in what they teach.

 

[Bob Estey]

Isn't it an attack on God if you try to contradict any inspired saying of Paul?

If I believed something Paul said was inspired by God, and I disagreed, then that would be an attack on God.

 

[RedFan]

Isn't it an attack on God if you try to contradict any inspired saying of Paul?

And what would those be?

 

[ScottA]

The position and authority of Paul is written for those who believe the scriptures. Furthermore, as one caught up to the third heaven in the presence of God, it is my testimony that Paul indeed was sent by Christ and under His authority.

Revelation 12:11​

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.​

 

[ElieG12]

If I believed something Paul said was inspired by God, and I disagreed, then that would be an attack on God.

It is, unless you think that the Bible, included Paul's letters, is not "the Word of God".

Just as the Jewish people viewed the Law, the Prophets, and other Writings as divinely inspired, early Christians in the second century AD saw Paul's letters in the same light. These texts were considered part of a sacred canon, believed to be provided by the holy spirit for the instruction of Christian communities. Even Peter, many years before that, said:

2 Pet. 3:15 Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. (...)

 

[Bob Estey]

It is, unless you think that the Bible, included Paul's letters, is not "the Word of God".

Just as the Jewish people viewed the Law, the Prophets, and other Writings as divinely inspired, early Christians in the second century AD saw Paul's letters in the same light. These texts were considered part of a sacred canon, believed to be provided by the holy spirit for the instruction of Christian communities. Even Peter, many years before that, said:

2 Pet. 3:15 Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. (...)

I don't think the Lord instructed Paul to say that women can't speak when they are in a church, but that's what he said (1 Corinthians 14:33-36).

Don't lose sight of this:

[39] You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
[40] yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. John 5:39-40 RSV

 

[ElieG12]

I don't think the Lord instructed Paul to say that women can't speak when they are in a church, but that's what he said (1 Corinthians 14:33-36).

Don't lose sight of this:

[39] You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
[40] yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. John 5:39-40 RSV

Yes, he did. And it is still the same way today in "biblical" Christian congregations.

Christians do not march alongside the world, following its ideas of what is right and what is not. Christians obey biblical instructions even if the world is scandalized. For example: should pastors allow sinful practitioners who promulgate their activities to corrupt other young people in the congregation?

The fact that women should not teach from the pulpit does not prevent them from being teachers and preachers of the truth. In the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses, women are highly valued, just as in Bible times.

For example, although Abraham was very saddened when Sarah asked him to send his son away with Hagar, Jehovah told him to listen to her, and he did as his wife asked. In the Christian congregations of the first century, there were also many women who served Christ in an exemplary way, such as Priscilla, the wife of Aquila.

 

[Bob Estey]

Yes, he did. And it is still the same way today in "biblical" Christian congregations.

Christians do not march alongside the world, following its ideas of what is right and what is not. Christians obey biblical instructions even if the world is scandalized. For example: should pastors allow sinful practitioners who promulgate their activities to corrupt other young people in the congregation?

The fact that women should not teach from the pulpit does not prevent them from being teachers and preachers of the truth. In the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses, women are highly valued, just as in Bible times.

For example, although Abraham was very saddened when Sarah asked him to send his son away with Hagar, Jehovah told him to listen to her, and he did as his wife asked. In the Christian congregations of the first century, there were also many women who served Christ in an exemplary way, such as Priscilla, the wife of Aquila.

Keep in mind that the purpose of the Bible is to introduce us to God - not the other way around.

 

[ElieG12]

Keep in mind that the purpose of the Bible is to introduce us to God - not the other way around.

"To introduce us to God" following his instructions, not changing them to our liking and convenience.

 

[Bob Estey]

"To introduce us to God" following his instructions, not changing them to our liking and convenience.

To obey God and Jesus. They are quoted many times in the Bible.

 

[ElieG12]

To obey God and Jesus. They are quoted many times in the Bible.

I don't know what you are trying to say.

This is what I added to your question: we must take seriously everything Paul wrote, since it's part of God's Word.

For example, David wrote:

Psal. 41:9 Even the man at peace with me, one whom I trusted, Who was eating my bread, has lifted his heel against me.

... and

Psal. 55:12 For it is not an enemy who taunts me; Otherwise I could put up with it. It is not a foe who has risen up against me; Otherwise I could conceal myself from him.

But then we read in the Christian writings that Peter said:

Acts 1:16 (...) it was necessary for the scripture to be fulfilled that the holy spirit spoke prophetically through David about Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus.

So, who really said what is written in Psa. 41:9 and 55:12?

 

[Bob Estey]

I don't know what you are trying to say.

This is what I added to your question: we must take seriously everything Paul wrote, since it's part of God's Word.

For example, David wrote:

Psal. 41:9 Even the man at peace with me, one whom I trusted, Who was eating my bread, has lifted his heel against me.

... and

Psal. 55:12 For it is not an enemy who taunts me; Otherwise I could put up with it. It is not a foe who has risen up against me; Otherwise I could conceal myself from him.

But then we read in the Christian writings that Peter said:

Acts 1:16 (...) it was necessary for the scripture to be fulfilled that the holy spirit spoke prophetically through David about Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus.

So, who really said what is written in Psa. 41:9 and 55:12?

I am saying we need to obey God and Jesus. They are quoted many times in the Bible.

As for Paul, if you believe everything he said in the Bible was inspired by God, then I'm sure you don't let women speak when they are in your church, as that is what Paul taught (1 Corinthians 14:33-36).

 

[christgal33]

Paul is deemed worthy by God to be an apostle. As such, we must learn to love and respect his teachings. Paul works hard to spread the gospel, we must recognize worthy men like that.

 

[ElieG12]

I am saying we need to obey God and Jesus. They are quoted many times in the Bible.

As for Paul, if you believe everything he said in the Bible was inspired by God, then I'm sure you don't let women speak when they are in your church, as that is what Paul taught (1 Corinthians 14:33-36).

We know God and Jesus because we study the Bible.

If you doubt a Christian writer that God used to write more than half of the books that make up the NT, what are you left with?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

PS: Although Paul did not belong to the group of the twelve main apostles of Jesus, Scripture declares him an "apostle" for his missionary work.

Yes, apostle means one sent of God.

And the Lord obviously used Paul to (and the other biblical writers) to continue His teaching ministry thru His Apostles after He had ascended back up to Heaven.

Is it an attack on Paul if you disagree with something he says?

That would be disagreeing with the teaching ministry of Jesus Christ.... Paul didn't just dream up stuff to write, no... the Lord Jesus thru the Holy Ghost directed Paul what to write

He's the one who corrected Peter for not eating with gentiles.

No, actually the Holy Spirit led Paul to teach Peter about this.
This does not mean the writing of Peter are any less from the Lord than Paul's writings.

Isn't it an attack on God if you try to contradict any inspired saying of Paul?

BINGO! Nail hit on the head...

I like Paul, also James, and Peter, they are awesome in what they teach.

ALL the biblical writers got what they wrote from the Lord

If I believed something Paul said was inspired by God, and I disagreed, then that would be an attack on God.

Yes, that would be rejecting the teaching of the Lord... which is exactly what the devil is trying to do is get people to question and reject what God says... just like he did with Adam and Eve in the garden. This is satan's MO

I don't think the Lord instructed Paul to say that women can't speak when they are in a church, but that's what he said (1 Corinthians 14:33-36).

Those believing any part of God's Word to not be the teaching of the Lord.... have zero basis for believing anything from the Word of God.

Women should leave the speaking to men in public church services because God created man first and gave Him authority (1 Timothy 2:13), and God created woman for the man... not man for the woman (see 1 Corinthians 11:9)

Those that put what people think above what the Lord says are sadly very deceived and as such have an open door to the devil in their lives to bring in more and more deception.

In the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses, women are highly valued, just as in Bible times.

Much false doctrine is present in jw congregations

I am saying we need to obey God and Jesus. They are quoted many times in the Bible.

As for Paul, if you believe everything he said in the Bible was inspired by God, then I'm sure you don't let women speak when they are in your church, as that is what Paul taught (1 Corinthians 14:33-36).

Some folks pick and choose the bits and pieces of scripture that tickles
there eras and throws the rest of God's Word in the trash!

 

[Bob Estey]

We know God and Jesus because we study the Bible.

If you doubt a Christian writer that God used to write more than half of the books that make up the NT, what are you left with?

A church has a pastor, and a good pastor can teach us a lot. That doesn't mean he's right about 100% of what he says.

God and Jesus are quoted many, many times in the Bible. We know they always tell the truth.