And why is Jesus also subject to God if he is an independent entity? Is it because God is, in fact, Jesus?
True or not? God is Jesus, but Jesus isn’t God.
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Dan Clarkston
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Points to ponder along those lines:
John 5:19-23
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Dan Clarkston
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Folks can go around in circles with this stuff... trying to figure God out with their pea brain
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
the Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One... and yet they are three all at the same time!
In fact.... you and I are three that is one (we are a spirit, we possess a soul, and we live in a body)
1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
After all... the Lord did create man in His Own Image.
Genesis 1:26
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness
That's the Father, the Word, and the Spirit saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"
Now, some yahoos are going to come along shortly and claim none of this is true because the reject the scripture references above as being lies the devil must have slipped in to God's Word when the Lord was on lunch break or somethin
This is a case where we can understand more about God by understanding that He made us like Himself... when God created man, He replicated Himself.
So, we are one person... but there are 3 parts.... but yet we are one person at the same time
That's what God is as well since He made us in His Own Image...the Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One... and yet they are three all at the same time!
Sometimes we need to have child like faith and simply accept what God says in His Word and quit trying to figure God out with our limited knowledge and vantage point still being here in this sin sick, God forsaken world.
Galgal
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This is a big topic related to the biblical evidence that Jesus Christ was born in the fall, on the 8th day of the 7th month of Tishrei. Another big topic related to this topic is what the Second Coming of Christ is. And to these two main topics are additional questions: evidence of the time of the Second Coming of Christ. These topics are published here on the forum, if you are interested in these questions in detail, then you should go to them.
Evidence that Jesus was born in the fall
What the Second Coming of Christ looks like
Description of the Temple where the Second Coming of Christ will take place
The main evidence of the time of the Second Coming
The Rapture of the Church Will Not Be to Heaven
In short, now we have about 2 billion people calling themselves Christians. At the same time, we have wars between these "Christians", we have poverty of some and fantastic wealth of other "Christians". We have thousands of denominations, each of which claims that it is true and founded by Jesus Christ, while these denominations do not have the unity commanded by Jesus among themselves. They all say that they believe in Jesus Christ. How to separate the wheat from the chaff?
Therefore, at the end of this age, God carries out His Judgment: He separates some from others. How can He do this?
The Bible describes the Temple, which was shown to the prophet Ezekiel by God. Ezekiel's prophecy is the word of God. You know that Christ in the First Coming was the Word of God, incarnate in the man Jesus. In the Second Coming, Jesus will also be the Word of God, but He will be incarnate in other manifestations of this word. First, the word of God about the Temple will materialize: a Temple will be built in Israel, exactly corresponding to the description in Ezekiel, chapters 40-43. Then, people called "the glory of the Lord" by Ezekiel will enter the eastern gate of the Temple. And in the 44th chapter we read that it turns out that the Lord God of Israel entered the eastern gate. This is the Second Coming of Christ.
That is, the moment of closing the eastern gate is the very "twinkling of an eye" when the status of people who entered the eastern gate will change: they will become the incarnation of Jesus Christ at the Second Coming.
It would seem that this is the triumph of God - everyone saw and the Kingdom of God on earth has come. But not everyone will immediately begin to obey the demands of the Kingdom of God, the world will continue to live according to its previous sinful inclinations. Likewise, most Christian denominations will ignore the Temple and the appearance of the saints. That is, entering the eastern gate of the Temple will become a sacrifice of the saints, like the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross. The Temple and the entry of the "full number of pagans" into the eastern gate is the Cross, on which the Church faithful to God ends. Only denominations unfaithful to Christ remain on earth.
After the saints enter the eastern gate, the dead must rise. It is written: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first" (1 Thessalonians 4:16). The dead Jewish people must accept the people in whom Jesus Christ was incarnated at the Second Coming. This process will be completed by the 6th vial of wrath, then the "rapture of the Church" will begin, the aliyah of the "five wise virgins" to the Bridegroom in Israel. This aliyah will end with the construction of the city of Yahweh Shammah in Israel, and this should happen on the 8th day of the Feast of Tabernacles, in Simchat Torah.
That is, when the city of Yahweh Shammah appears in Israel, with 12 gates on which the names of the 12 tribes of Israel are written, then by this time the "first resurrection" will be completed, the restoration of the "lost tribes of Israel" in Israel (today's Jews, as a rule, do not know the tribes to which they belong). That is, from the Jews who are Jews not by appearance, but only from within, and from the Jews who are Jews by their carnal origin, natural Jews, one people will be formed, and God will be incarnate in this people.
Now about Jesus and Emmanuel. Jesus was born on the 8th day of the 7th month. Jesus' circumcision was on the 15th day of the 7th month, and on that same day people first heard the name "Jesus" (a baby's name is given on the day of circumcision). When people heard the name "Jesus", a community of believers in the name of Jesus appeared. This is Emmanuel: a community of believers in the name of Jesus Christ. Emmanuel was born on the 15th day of the 7th month, which is the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot). Emmanuel was already born, but the name "Emmanuel" was not called over Him. Because the name is called on the day of circumcision, on the 8th day. This 8th day of the holiday of Sukkot is called Simchat Torah, and when the city of Yahweh Shammah (this name is translated as "the Lord is there") appears on earth, then this will be the naming of the name Immanuel and the "circumcision" of Immanuel, in order to separate Him from other nations.
Galgal
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This fatal error will prevent you from receiving Jesus Christ at the Second Coming, because at the Second Coming He will be incarnated in multitudes. The people, men and women, who will enter the east gate of the Temple are (1) not the literal physical Jesus as He was at the First Coming, (2) certainly not the Father, (3) these people are not the Holy Spirit.
Galgal
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The names of cities on Earth are not translated. On all maps of the world the name of the city will be written - Yahweh Shammah. In this name there is the sacred Name of God - Tetragrammaton. This will be the return of the forbidden Name of God among people. Nowadays Jews do not use this name.
"I am in the Father, and the Father in me"
"the Father is in me, and I in him."
God the Father is in Christ, and ALSO the Son is in the Father.
You can read how they are joined as one God in what Jesus said.
That is a significant truth that Jesus is in(side) the Father, and the Father is in(side) Jesus.
Jesus is the image of an invisible God (so you can see and touch and handle Him, someone we can relate to) in whom the fullness of God dwells bodily. God was fully inside the body of Jesus.
God is a spirit, not a body, but God took on human form as the children of God are flesh and blood creatures and spirit, and Christ being our savior had to be made like us to have a flesh and blood body to be our great high priest to God the Father to make the perfect sacrifice for our sins committed against God.
Christ who is God, came down from the Father to earth as flesh and blood and Spirit, (God in the flesh), just like we are flesh and blood and spirit.
God was made to be like us in order to save us, Christ had to die, descend into Hades, conquer death by His resurrection and go back to the Father in heaven so that we can also at our deaths go to be with the Father in heaven to have eternal life with THEM. We have been taken out of the kingdom of this world, and placed into the kingdom of His dear Son, our citizenship is now in heaven, not of this world.
Coming to earth did create an unusual situation for 'God' to be separated from the glory they had together before the creation of all things. But now Christ is back in heaven, and He has prepared a place for us there to be with Him, so when we die, He comes and gets us and takes us back into heaven to live with Him forever.
John 10:38
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
John 14
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
St. SteVen
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When it comes to Elohim?
I believe that shows God is perfect masculine and perfect feminine.
That is just an observation, when he made Male and Female in his image.
I believe that shows God is perfect masculine and perfect feminine.
That is just an observation, when he made Male and Female in his image.
what I learned about oneness pentecostalism
I believe Jesus is God and the Trinity. oneness pentecostalism teaches that Jesus was only on God's mind and as such no pre-existence. Logically he is not God. However, they claim he is God the Father. They say, the fullness of the godhead being the Father is in him. When we are born again, we...
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Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all one. They are three, but one. When Philip asked Jesus to "show us the Father", Jesus said "I have been with you all this time and you haven't known me? If you have seen me you have seen the Father." (John 14:8-9) The bible says elsewhere that Jesus was God manifest in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16).
I don't think our mind has to understand how this can be, but as long as we accept and believe it in our heart. It might be helpful to think in terms that God is manifest in three ways.
I've heard an analogy of how H2O can exist/manifest as either vapour, water or ice......maybe we could say the Father is vapour, who also manifests as the Holy Spirit (water) or the Son (ice)....? And since He is not bound by time/space, He can manifest as all three in the same or different places at the same or different times if/when He so chooses. That's just me trying to grapple with it....someone mentioned on another thread about this subject that it's like trying to nail jello to the wall, lol. In the end I love and accept those scriptures above, and all scriptures about this, and I believe they say it best.
St. SteVen
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Galgal said:
these denominations do not have the unity commanded by Jesus among themselves.
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these denominations do not have the unity commanded by Jesus among themselves.
The Unity and Division threads - Unified to one topic - Divided by links
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David in NJ
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Just keep this in your heart and mind = Elohim is not gender confused nor does HE designate HIMself as female gender.
This is ULTRA IMPORTANT
I appreciate your lengthy response. Thank you and may God bless you always.
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