Revelation 13:10 - the earth beast

[ewq1938]

No, the false prophet is not a king over anything. The false prophet, the beast out of the earth, has no crown.

No crown is needed. He exercises all the power of the ten horned beast. Call him a ruler rather than king. It does not matter.

Your own so called beast king has no crown either. Only the ten horns are kings with crowns.

The seven heads on the first beast have crowns in Revelation 12.

That's not the first beast but is satan.

The false prophet will be a religious promoter of the beast-king, who will be mortally wounded but comes back to life.

He promotes his own kingdom which he rules. It's no different than Hitler promoting the Third Reich.

 

[ewq1938]

No, you are twisting what I write.

The beast out of the sea.
7 heads (7 kings), 10 horns (10 kings). One of the heads is the beast-king over the beast kingdom. The beast-king will be cast alive into the lake of fire.

17 kings? lol...Rev does not teach that plus the 7 heads are mountains not kings. The kings are the horns.

The beast out of the earth.
2 horns (not kings) The beast out of the earth is the false prophet.

IMO his two little horns represents his being the 7th and 8th kings. You believe something similar but with a different person.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings CTK and grafted branch,

Okay, I would like to hear your thoughts on who is the earth beast in Revelation 13. There appears to be a number of characteristics or identifies in verses 11-16 that should help us identify him... not going to be easy. Thanks in advance for your contributions.

The sea beast has a very high probability of being the Daniel 7 little horn, in fact I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone making an argument against the little horn being the sea beast.

You could not be more correct!!! This is an amazing finding!!! And I can say (my opinion) that I have not seen anyone come to that understanding and attempt to put these two beasts together. And, unless that is done, there is no way the earth beast can be properly identified. The sea beast is not as difficult because he is identified in Daniel. But it is only in Revelation 13 do we first find the earth beast. The sea beast is indeed the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8.

I would like to make a few brief comments without getting too involved in this thread. Yes I agree that there is a strong connection between the Little Horn of Daniel 7 and the Sea Beast. The Little Horn of Daniel 7 is the Papacy and its position is identified as subduing three of the 10 territories that make up the subdivided Roman Empire. The Sea Beast represents the whole of the subdivided Roman Empire at a particular time. I consider that the Little Horn of Daniel 8 is different to the Little Horn of Daniel 7. I consider that the Beast of the Earth speaks of the development of the Holy Roman Empire. My assessment above is based on my general knowledge of what some of the respected expositors have detailed in my fellowship.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Timtofly]

You could not be more correct!!! This is an amazing finding!!! And I can say (my opinion) that I have not seen anyone come to that understanding and attempt to put these two beasts together. And, unless that is done, there is no way the earth beast can be properly identified. The sea beast is not as difficult because he is identified in Daniel. But it is only in Revelation 13 do we first find the earth beast. The sea beast is indeed the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8.

And regarding your comment that it is only the sea beast that thinks they have overcome the saints is quite true and I don’t know how you could have come up with that!!!!

That is a Daniel thing that carries forward to Revelation 13. This is just one of the many reasons why it is necessary to study Daniel first before taking on Revelation. There is no way on this earth that this (and some others) interpretation can be found unless it was first found in Daniel. This, in a single example, proves that you can not interpret Revelation without first understanding Daniel, and you can not understand Daniel through or by Revelation- it is a one way street.

The sea beast is covered in Daniel 2. The sea beast are the first 5 kingdoms found in that chapter. Babylon, Medes and Persians, Greece, Romans, and the Holy Roman Empire. All having some governmental connection with Jerusalem, and Israel.

The earth beast is Satan, who is referred to as the prince of this world, symbolically. His home is in the pit, and the front door was opened wide in the 5th Trumpet.

"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:" is Satan.

"And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition." is Satan.

"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him," is Satan.

Satan gave power to all the earthly kingdoms who bowed to his deceptions, and earthly understanding, passed down from generation to generation, and deceiving even the elect. God's people have been deceived in their carnal knowledge.

One cannot understand Daniel until one can correctly understand Revelation.

 

[TribulationSigns]

my interpretation:

"My interpretation" = private interpreation.

For example, the second beast, or the false prophet, is not a Kingdom, he is the spiritual ruler of the kingdom. Ultimately, the false prophet is actually the spirit Satan that rules men, just as the Antichrist is ultimately the spirit Satan. But as a spirit he works within men, so that there are many antichrists and many false prophets. NOT ONE MAN! Satan being the Antichrist is a word illustrating that he is the pseudo-Christ, or the false Christ [antichristos]. The Greek word [anti] in this application means substitute (instead of something), thus the meaning of a pseudo or substitute Christ, the false prophet that mimics the true prophet and rules false prophets.

Revelation 17:3

• "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."

This woman is the unfaithful Church seated (ruling) by means of the kingdom of Satan, and she is whom the kings of the earth commit spiritual fornication with. For example, she has turned away from her husband God to serve man, and ultimately Satan. Satan is a Spirit, not a man. There is no "one man" false prophet that is prophesied to come, as some Christians suppose. There is only the spirit Satan working within man unto disobedience.

Ephesians 2:2

• "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:"

This is the spirit of the False Prophet, of Antichrist, of the Lawless Man. He spans history! And when this spirit Satan is loosed from the pit, his influence will increase as he works within man as the false prophet to bring the kings of the earth against the Witnesses of Truth. These are they who masquerade as ministers of righteousness. For example, false prophets who serve a substitute Christ and deceive the kings of the earth. Prophets ruled by this evil spirit.

Revelation 16:13-14

• "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
• For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

We understand that God is showing us spiritual truths in cryptic imagery, so we can't look at it as a Beast, or a Dragon, frogs or kings. The imagery symbolizes an apostasy instigated by the spirit Satan. Visa vi, moving the man of sin to take a seat (rule) in the temple. This is again the lawless man. Not "one man" as some suppose, but Satan working within man that he forsakes God's laws that he might have rule over himself. Same as the false prophets of the first beast are held in chains of darkness, blinded in part unto the judgment day. In other words, the man of sin ruling the church near the end "instead of" the man of righteousness. It is in essence a repeat of the fall of the congregation of the Jews (OT congregation). Doesn't mean there is only one man of righteousness or one man of sin/lawlessness, it illustrates the condition of the man ruling. For example, see this analogy:

2nd Timothy 3:17

• "That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

That doesn't mean there is only one man of God that he's talking about, it is simply illustrating the condition of man. Same with the man of sin ruling in the Holy Temple (Church). It is man ruling himself "in stead of" God, not "a" man ruling. Same with 666, the number of man. People say the number of "A" man, but in the original Greek, it is the number of man. There is no article "a" in the passage!

 

[TribulationSigns]

The Little Horn of Daniel 7 is the Papacy and its position is identified as subduing three of the 10 territories that make up the subdivided Roman Empire.

Of course not. The Little Horn is not about man sitting on the throne of Saint Peter. Or have anything to do with Roman Empire.

The Sea Beast represents the whole of the subdivided Roman Empire at a particular time.

No, the beast out of the sea in Revelation 13:1 is to illustrate Satan's power throughout the completeness of time. The number 7 signifies this, the heads signifying his authority or rule throughout this time. When you read in Revelation that the eighth head comes up, but God makes sure to note that it is "of the seven". Because all must be within the completeness of his kingdom rule.

Revelation 17:11

• "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

That's because the 7 represents the completeness of his authority to rule, so the eight has to be OF the seven.

Again, the image of the Beast out of the earth in Revelation 13:11 is to illustrate the great apostasy in God's unfaithful church WHEN Satan is loosed from his prison to bring the false prophets and christs of the world up against the camp of the saints the church. Obviously nothing to do with the Roman Empire or Papacy.

I consider that the Little Horn of Daniel 8 is different to the Little Horn of Daniel 7.

False, they are one and the same little horn. The horn signifies POWER. And being little means... well, little. So God is talking about full of power Satan will have for a short season. This is what is in view. But you guys are busy looking for a particular man to qualify as "Little Horn" which is absurd!

I consider that the Beast of the Earth speaks of the development of the Holy Roman Empire. My assessment above is based on my general knowledge of what some of the respected expositors have detailed in my fellowship.

The beast of the Earth is not limited to a particular nation or empire like most Christians suppose. It is a spirit kingdom making up of People with the nature of the beast. For example, they have no power to reason, no intelligent comprehension, or judgment, they live of the flesh carnal. The term whether of kingdoms of men, individuals, or congregation is used to signify man under the POWER OF SATAN (horns), forsaking God and incapable of good. Such as we read of man revealed to Himself as a beast in Ecclesiastes:

Ecclesiastes 3:18

• "I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts."

If man were to look at himself honestly, he would see that there is no good in him, he is just like the beasts of the earth, carnal, controlled by his own flesh in will and want. The symbol of the second beast is to show these unsaved false prophets Satan brings up INTO the Lord's house and creates an abomination that will leave it desolate. Just as it did Israel, leaving not one stone upon another not thrown down.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Revelaton 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

The problem is many people like you view the beast and the false prophet as two human men. That is a false assumption.

The beast and the false prophet (second beast) is a spiritual kingdom made up of ALL unregenerate people in the world AND the church with the spirit of Satan, will be judged and thrown into the lake of fire. Not two people, but MANY!

Selah!

 

[CTK]

Now that I have had a chance to go through some / most of Revelation - still need to go back through each chapter again, and maybe again.... I believe I see the major actors and they certainly tie into the book of Daniel.


Red dragon - Satan,
Sea Beast - papal Rome
little horn - also known as the harlot - papacy
Earth Beast - now this is / was someone / entity that I had no idea who this was... this actor is directly tied to the "wound that was healed." This is the powerful one who helped heal the wound - without him, they would not have survived (papal Rome or the papacy). This demands one identifies the "almost fatal wound."

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings TribulationSigns,

The Little Horn of Daniel 7 is the Papacy and its position is identified as subduing three of the 10 territories that make up the subdivided Roman Empire.

Of course not. The Little Horn is not about man sitting on the throne of Saint Peter. Or have anything to do with Roman Empire.

I suggest that you need to identify the four metals of the Image of Daniel 2 and the four Beasts of Daniel 7. These are parallel, and I consider that these are Assyria/Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. The Papacy lost its control of the three Papal States in 1870 with the Unification of Italy.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[TribulationSigns]

The Papacy lost its control of the three Papal States in 1870 with the Unification of Italy.

No. This is not what the Bible talked about.

I suggest that you need to identify the four metals of the Image of Daniel 2 and the four Beasts of Daniel 7. These are parallel, and I consider that these are Assyria/Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome.

Unfortunately, the traditional interpretations of the four kings of Daniel chapter 7 usually is that they are "literal empires." I have studied this long enough to know that this is no longer the Truth. When we examine the Scripturs more carefully, we see that God is NOT interested in history lessons of worldly empires, but is illustrating SPIRITUAL TRUTHS.
Daniel 7:2-3

• "Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
• And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another."

God has inspired these truths to be written in cryptic symbolism. For example, patterned after four literal ruling Kingdoms (Chaldea, Persian, Greece and Rome), but symbolizing a spiritual rule in the earth. These four beasts are spiritual pictures of the construct from which Satan rules, which is through carnal man. In other words, the four beasts actually symbolize systemic carnal world rule. In fact, in Revelation chapter 13 we can see these very same beasts pictured as one single beast that has all the aspects of these four beasts illustrated in Daniel chapter 7. I believe that there are four here to symbolize the "universality" of this rule of Satan over the peoples of the world. Not the limited border area of the literal empires on Earth. The number 4 symbolizes universality. The beasts are kings, which symbolize rules. The wind many times is synonymous with spirit, and by this prophesy referring to "the four winds of the heaven," it implies the Holy Spirit. Horns are symbolic of power and strength. The winds of heaven here is an illustration that God ultimately controls all the universe, both good and bad (Revelation 7:7). The sea is the tumultuous world, or peoples of the world, often spoken of as humanity. And the beasts that came up from the sea "symbolize" epochs, dominions that successively emerge from the tumultuous disturbances of the world (mimicking the tumultuous sea -as found in Isaiah 13:4). Even as when Christ calmed the tumultuous sea it was illustrating His rule over the wicked forces of the world that would destroy His disciples in their ship (Church). So these four kings symbolize their universal rule. Diverse or different because they differ in symbolism, purpose, and strength.

As I explained before, the beast themselves is the systemic rule of Satan, "THROUGH CARNAL MEN," that are "as beasts". Not talking about geopolitical nations here! God is talking about Satan, and his ministers of unrighteousness, which are people. And thus how Satan rules through them to attack the Lord's people, starting with Jews of the Old Testament congregation and the Gentiles of the New Testament congregation.

I need to emphasize that the words which man's wisdom teaches "the many" concerning Eschatology is as foolishness to God. The natural man, as a beast, the carnal man living by the flesh, the wicked man is without sound judgment and doesn't understand the Spiritual.

1st Corinthians 2:13-16

• "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
• But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
• But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
• For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

I'm sure you've heard those verses before, but have you "heard" those verses before? The Spiritual man judgeth by that Spirit, but the natural man is like a beast, because he is evil and without the image of God, he is without sound judgment. That most believe something does not make something sound. Interpretation is not by committee, it's by the sound exegesis of God's word compared diligently "with" God's word.

And no, the traditional interpretation of four beasts cannot be right in this instance. God is not giving us a "literal" history lesson about Greece and Persia, but a "spiritual" history lesson about a far more sinister spiritual rule. Christ is the prince of peace, what kingdom does He rule? Likewise, Satan is the Prince of this world, thus what kingdom does he rule? Their rules are not from physical nations, but from spiritual principalities - the spirit of man! That's what many don't understand. Even though God has stated it in many diverse ways again and again and again. They still eschew the Spiritual nature of what God is speaking about.

Ephesians 6:12

• "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Whether we like it or not, God is here telling us that our battle is not against the power of physical empires, it's not even physical, it's not political, it's not against nations, it's against a "spiritual principality, a spiritual power and spiritual wickedness." Everyone reads these things but few take it to heart.

Colossians 2:14-15

• "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
• And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

Consider wisely, these principalities and powers that Christ spoiled were NOT Rome! It was NOT even Greece, or Perisa, but it was spiritual "Egypt" and spiritual principalities and rulers of the darkness of this world, which the lion, bear and leopard type of. The Christian must take his mind off the nations of this world (and world news) and think about a spiritual nation from above and just how it is being attacked. Take our eyes off this world and put them on Christ.

Selah.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Red dragon - Satan,
Sea Beast - papal Rome
little horn - also known as the harlot - papacy
Earth Beast - now this is / was someone / entity that I had no idea who this was... this actor is directly tied to the "wound that was healed." This is the powerful one who helped heal the wound - without him, they would not have survived (papal Rome or the papacy). This demands one identifies the "almost fatal wound."

Red Dragon - Spirit of Satan
"Sea" Beast - Satan's kingdom of people with spirit of Satan
"Earth" Beast - Satan's kingdom of false prophets and christs into God's congregation
Horns = Power
Little Horn = Power for Satan to have through his false prophets and christs to rule in God's House (sits in the temple of God) for a little season.

I do not believe you understand what is the meaning of the head wound on one of the beast's heads and how it got healed. The wound that was healed was the POWER of Satan to deceive the nations, which was before taken away (when Satan was bound) by Christ! At this time, when Satan is loosed (the wound healed), he again goes out to gather together and deceive people who have not yet saved to bring them up against the camp of the Saints (Two Witnesses) to overcome them and kill them.

Revelation 13:3

• "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast."

Christ, of course, wounded him by the cross, and also looses the beast, or heals that wound, after all Israel are sealed, Revelation 7:1-4. Once all Elect has been secured by the testimony of Two Witnesses, Satan will then be loosed so that God will use him to bring judgment upon His unfaithful New Testament (spiritual harlot) congregation where false prophets and christs now rules!

 

[CTK]

Red Dragon - Spirit of Satan
"Sea" Beast - Satan's kingdom of people with spirit of Satan
"Earth" Beast - Satan's kingdom of false prophets and christs into God's congregation
Horns = Power
Little Horn = Power for Satan to have through his false prophets and christs to rule in God's House (sits in the temple of God) for a little season.

I do not believe you understand what is the meaning of the head wound on one of the beast's heads and how it got healed. The wound that was healed was the POWER of Satan to deceive the nations, which was before taken away (when Satan was bound) by Christ! At this time, when Satan is loosed (the wound healed), he again goes out to gather together and deceive people who have not yet saved to bring them up against the camp of the Saints (Two Witnesses) to overcome them and kill them.

Revelation 13:3

• "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast."

Christ, of course, wounded him by the cross, and also looses the beast, or heals that wound, after all Israel are sealed, Revelation 7:1-4. Once all Elect has been secured by the testimony of Two Witnesses, Satan will then be loosed so that God will use him to bring judgment upon His unfaithful New Testament (spiritual harlot) congregation where false prophets and christs now rules!

Well, I don't feel it is necessary to argue about this... this entire Book of Revelation is written in a symbolic manner yet, there are a few real characters on the earth that go against the kingdom of God. The little horn was introduced to us in Daniel and is indeed the papacy who preaches a terribly different gospel than Jesus. He has attacked the 10 commandments, brought in pagan traditions and rituals, indulgences, worshippin other beings like Mary and Peter and so on, and to add to this list is that he has indeed claimed divinity - equal to God on earth. The church has been also guilty of murdering over 50 million people in the name of God during their 1500 year reign - not really in the name of God but in the name of the God they have created and to their benefit. So, if you ever wanted to put together a list of characteristics, actions, doctrine, etc., that would unequivocally represent the little horn (you probably refer to him as the anti-Christ but there is no such person as the anti-Christ, only the spirit of the anti-Christ), can you please tell me who would match those anti-Christ characteristics better than the papacy? Go and put it down on paper all their beliefs, actions, etc., "Who is like the beast?" Donj't look for a boogeyman... he has been here for 1500 years..... can't miss him.... unless you want to!



And of course, this fellow could not do this alone. But that is found in Daniel as well and transfers directly to Revelation. Which is why I have been saying repeatedly, that unless one understands Daniel -- not as it is understand today as being / having most of its difficult verses thrown far into the future - to be interpreted in Revelation...It doesn't work that way.. Daniel sends its interpretations - those that belong in Daniel to Revelation. But the little horn would only come to power around the 500 AD. It was around this time that pagan Rome would see its demise (Daniel 7:11). And it would be during the first 500 years after the cross when His church would grow exponentially, and become dominated by the Gentiles... They effectively removed any connection to their Jewish roots, and would come to be ruled by the major Christian centers of Rome, Antioch, Alexandria and Jerusalem. So after the demise of pagan Rome these 4 wanted to claim the place where Chrisitianity was based - each of these very powerful bishops sought to sit at the top of the church - but Rome would win out and he would soon become known as the pope or papacy who would also rule over what was left of pagan Rome - their leadership went away but their military, cultur3e, etc., did not. So this pope would come to rule over both the secular and the spiritual church - this would become known as papal Rome - the sea beast headed by the little horn. And we all know the rest of the story.



The red dragon is indeed the spirit of Satan as God would never allow him to physically manifest himself on the earth... he has been given his limitations and restrictions on what he can and cannot do.



This brings us to the 10 horns that you claim are or represent powers. You are indeed correct but who are they - some spirit that has not substance? Can you identifry these powers - because they are indeed very real and they exist today... but until you go back to Daniel and study chapter 7, 8 ,9 and 11 in a very different way of looking at things, you will never be able to identify them. And until you do, so much of both Daniel and Revelation is nothing but guessword and speculation that can be found in any of "today's accepted interpretations."



Now, for the final entity - the earth beast. I had not studied Revelation until recently and come upon this earth beast in chapter 13. I was not even aware there was a second type of beast - sea v. earth. I heard of the red dragon, the harlot, the sea beast, the little horn, etc., but not another entity labeled the earth beast.... well, he is so definitely real and is with us today. And I can assure you he is the one who helped heal the wound of the sea beast / little horn. Without him, his would would have indeed been fatal. So, you can continue to generalize all of these characters as "powers" without being able to identify anyone of them except the spirit of Satan... you get no points for telling anyone "they represent powers." God did not give us Daniel and Revelation just so we can tell everyone they represent "powers"



So, stay with your interpretations and opinions but maybe you might want to leave your arrogance at home....

 

[Douggg]

In fact, in Revelation chapter 13 we can see these very same beasts pictured as one single beast that has all the aspects of these four beasts illustrated in Daniel chapter 7. I believe that there are four here to symbolize the "universality" of this rule of Satan over the peoples of the world.

The composite make up of the beast out of the sea in Revelation 13:2 indicates that the beast kingdom will control the same lands once held by the Babylonian (lion), Medo-Persian (bear), Greek (leopard), empires.

i.e the beast kingdom will control all the oil rich territories in the middle east - for the 42 months right before Jesus's return.

 

[Douggg]

Red dragon - Satan,
Sea Beast - papal Rome
little horn - also known as the harlot - papacy
Earth Beast - now this is / was someone / entity that I had no idea who this was... this actor is directly tied to the "wound that was healed." This is the powerful one who helped heal the wound - without him, they would not have survived (papal Rome or the papacy). This demands one identifies the "almost fatal wound."

Red dragon - Satan
Sea Beast - Roman Empire manifested in the end times - the EU
little horn - arch villain of the end times - 5 stages to becoming the beast-king. a Jew.
Earth Beast - the false prophet, one individual, a Jew

The whore - the Vatican, to be destroyed, burnt to the ground, during the reign of the beast-king. Revelation 17:16.

 

[TribulationSigns]

CDK:

The little horn was introduced to us in Daniel and is indeed the papacy who preaches a terribly different gospel than Jesus. He has attacked the 10 commandments, brought in pagan traditions and rituals, indulgences, worshippin other beings like Mary and Peter and so on, and to add to this list is that he has indeed claimed divinity - equal to God on earth. The church has been also guilty of murdering over 50 million people in the name of God during their 1500 year reign - not really in the name of God but in the name of the God they have created and to their benefit. So, if you ever wanted to put together a list of characteristics, actions, doctrine, etc., that would unequivocally represent the little horn (you probably refer to him as the anti-Christ but there is no such person as the anti-Christ, only the spirit of the anti-Christ), can you please tell me who would match those anti-Christ characteristics better than the papacy? Go and put it down on paper all their beliefs, actions, etc., "Who is like the beast?" Donj't look for a boogeyman... he has been here for 1500 years..... can't miss him.... unless you want to!

I am sorry but you are deadly wrong. I am fully aware that many, especially the Preterists and Amillennialists, have "interpreted" the Papal system to be the beast, however I do NOT believe that will stand the test of Scripture. The Papacy was NEVER mentioned in Scripture at all. She was never a faithful representative of God to begin with!
As I said, the beasts are often symbolic of devouring kingdoms in scripture. The heads are symbolic of authorities. The horns are symbolic of its power. The crowns on the horns are symbolic of its rule. I believe that this beast with the wound unto death is illustrative of the Kingdom of Satan. Christ dealt Satan's kingdom a death blow for believers at the cross, breaking its authority in the earth to deceive the nations and hold them in bondage so that the Church can be built! Does this church Christ built sound like the Roman Catholic Church to you? Huh? No!

Genesis 3:15

• "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

The woman is the kingdom of God on earth. She is the CHURCH. Start with the congregaiton of Old Testament, Israel, and the congregation of the New Testamment, the Church - the home of Two Witnesses (Elect with power to preach gospel). Roman Cathaolic Church was hardly part of God's Church to begin with. Get this face straight out first! The Serpent is Satan, ruler of the Kingdom of darkness. The woman's seed is Christ. But near the end of the world, this 'death' wound Christ dealt Satan at the Cross is healed, and Satan's Kingdom again rises up and goes forth with great authority over the nations. RCC of today hardly qualifies to be that woman!

I do not take a Reformist, Historicist or Dispensational-type outlook on Revelation, that focusing on physical Nations, physical mountain, physical wars, physical nation of Israel, or your precious church, the Roman Catholic Church, but on scripture alone as the arbiter and interpreter of Revelation's symbolism. The Roman Catholic Church is very well ruled by those against Christ, but the system most certainly is not the beast itself! Satan who rules it is, and he can make his kingdom part of any Church system, including the prideful and boastful Protestant Churches. I am sorry to say, Papacy, Israel 6 Day War, Titus, Romans soldiers of 70AD etc. etc. were NOT the object of God's Word, nor is it mentioned in Scripture. These are all the fanciful ideas of man as he makes assumptions looking at the world around him as proofs, but without sound biblical validation. Selah!

But the little horn would only come to power around the 500 AD. It was around this time that pagan Rome would see its demise (Daniel 7:11). And it would be during the first 500 years after the cross when His church would grow exponentially, and become dominated by the Gentiles...

Stop it. The little horn did not appear in 500AD. According to Scripture, the little horn will NOT appear until AFTER the building of God's church is finished then Satan will be loosened. Satan did not loose in 70AD, 500AD, or 1600AD because the great commission of the church was still ongoing and to the ends of the Earth. 500AD hardly qualifies! You got the wrong timing.

This brings us to the 10 horns that you claim are or represent powers. You are indeed correct but who are they - some spirit that has not substance? Can you identifry these powers - because they are indeed very real and they exist today... but until you go back to Daniel and study chapter 7, 8 ,9 and 11 in a very different way of looking at things, you will never be able to identify them. And until you do, so much of both Daniel and Revelation is nothing but guessword and speculation that can be found in any of "today's accepted interpretations."

The 10 horns are symbolic and thus illustrating certain characteristics or aspects. They are not actual horns, nor actual physical kings, they merely represent some aspect of these people. Namely, the ten horns represent they have been given power and the symbol of a king "represents" their rule. Q.E.D., power to reign. Get it? This particular image and likeness of a beast is symbolic of the wicked ruling power at the time when the spirit of Satan is loosed. Again, it's 10 horns and 10 kings to symbolize power and rule. It doesn't mean the horns signify they are 10 individual kings, or the kings symbolize they are powers. Symbols point to something characteristic. The Heads/Horns/Mountains/Kings imagery symbolizes the authority and power to rule this wicked kingdom. vis-a-vis, kings symbolize their rule, horns their power, heads their authority, and mountains their kingdom. You seem to be looking at it as if the horns are actual kings, when the horns signify power and the kings signify rule. Just as in Daniel it gives the image of four great beasts and says they are four kings. It didn't mean the kings were actual beasts, only that beasts symbolized some characteristic of their rule.

Let me give you an example. This would be like saying the Lamb means the King Christ was actually a Lamb. No, the lamb signifies some characteristic of Christ--which is His office as sacrifice. In scripture, kings are the ruling power. For example, they have governed as Potentate (potent/powerful rulers). Horns simply signify power. These horns could just as easily be signified by crowns, which wouldn't then mean the power is crowns, but that again they have reign or rule at that time. I think you are missing the import of the signs or tokens here. God saying the 10 horns are 10 kings is simply clarifying the power of these rulers. It is "power" to "rule" with the "Beast." And power to rule or reign has to be worked out through men. This ruling power isn't something floating in the air, its from the spirit Satan. That's why the power (horns) are kings, or more succinctly and Biblically put, "the beast receives power to rule or reign" through these kings of the earth. These 10 (false prophets and christs gave their kingdom (unfaithful church) to the beast so they receive power to rule with beast, and these then do battle with the saints in spiritual warfare for control of the camp of the saints. Look at the church today! You see false prophets are promoting tolerate homosexuality, women preaching, money, entertainment, prosperity gospel, etc. etc. These are abominations that brought church to desolate! These things are happing right now BECAUSE the false prophets and christs receive power as king (rule) to turn church upside down where they can silent the truthful testimony of the Two Witnesses. And many more to explain for later. But anyway...

Horns=Power=Kings=Ruling.

Ephesians 6:12

• "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Satan comes as a messenger of light, and his ministers as ministers of righteousness. The kings of the earth are his ministers coming with power as rulers of the darkness of this world. Yet they are being perceived by many delusional professing Christians as children of light. It is no small thing and it is happening today... if you have spiritual eyes to see and ears to hear.

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I had not studied Revelation until recently and come upon this earth beast in chapter 13.

Hummm... you have not studied Revelation until RECENTLY and you already believe that Revelation 13 beast is Papacy?! Okay...

And I can assure you he is the one who helped heal the wound of the sea beast / little horn. Without him, his would would have indeed been fatal.

Time out. Tell me, how did the beast receive the fatal wound? And how did it get healed?

So, you can continue to generalize all of these characters as "powers" without being able to identify anyone of them except the spirit of Satan... you get no points for telling anyone "they represent powers." God did not give us Daniel and Revelation just so we can tell everyone they represent "powers"

Since you admit that you only studied Revelation "recently," yet you pretend to understand that the deadly wound has to do with Papacy? Based on what? Obviously not the Word of God, but your favorite history books. You (like many people here) do not understand that the heads of the beast signify AUTHORITY so the fatal wound to its head means that Christ has removed Satan's authority and power to deceive until Christ first finishes building His New Testament Church then he will be loosened again and have power and authority to deceive again to be used by God to judge his unfaithful church in the end before Second Coming. Papacy from the 500BC hardly qualifies as the beast here!

 

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The composite make up of the beast out of the sea in Revelation 13:2 indicates that the beast kingdom will control the same lands once held by the Babylonian (lion), Medo-Persian (bear), Greek (leopard), empires.

i.e the beast kingdom will control all the oil rich territories in the middle east - for the 42 months right before Jesus's return

(Chuckle)... so that is what your interpretation is based on? Land and oil?

Nope!

 

[CTK]

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Hummm... you have not studied Revelation until RECENTLY and you already believe that Revelation 13 beast is Papacy?! Okay...




Time out. Tell me, how did the beast receive the fatal wound? And how did it get healed?


Since you admit that you only studied Revelation "recently," yet you pretend to understand that the deadly wound has to do with Papacy? Based on what? Obviously not the Word of God, but your favorite history books. You (like many people here) do not understand that the heads of the beast signify AUTHORITY so the fatal wound to its head means that Christ has removed Satan's authority and power to deceive until Christ first finishes building His New Testament Church then he will be loosened again and have power and authority to deceive again to be used by God to judge his unfaithful church in the end before Second Coming. Papacy from the 500BC hardly qualifies as the beast here!

Ok and thanks... no need to continue ...

 

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Ok and thanks... no need to continue ...

Happy New Year!

 

[Douggg]

Red dragon - Satan,
Sea Beast - papal Rome
little horn - also known as the harlot - papacy
Earth Beast - now this is / was someone / entity that I had no idea who this was... this actor is directly tied to the "wound that was healed." This is the powerful one who helped heal the wound - without him, they would not have survived (papal Rome or the papacy). This demands one identifies the "almost fatal wound."

Who is the whore destroyed by the ten kings in Revelation 17:16 ?

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.