Were messianic prophecies acquired, rather than intended? (in the original texts)

[A Freeman]

The Greek and Hebrew show us that they don't match.
This evidence indicates to me that the quote was acquired, not prophetic.
Most Bible readers assume they are prophetic.

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Over two-thirds of the Bible is prophecy, over 99% of which has already been fulfilled in exact and minute detail. Why then would anyone doubt this is a prophecy, or need to assume anything?

You've already been shown that both passages do indeed match, and yet you're still carrying on as if they don't. Why?

 

[St. SteVen]

Over two-thirds of the Bible is prophecy, over 99% of which has already been fulfilled in exact and minute detail. Why then would anyone doubt this is a prophecy, or need to assume anything?

You've already been shown that both passages do indeed match, and yet you're still carrying on as if they don't. Why?

I showed you the evidence. You are welcome to your own opinions.

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[Lambano]

Let's check the Greek and Hebrew.

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One other oddity: While Paul would usually quote the Septuagint translation of the OT, in this case, Paul's citation does not even match the LXX, which also has "received". Did Paul have a non-standard or idiosyncratic Greek translation?

 

[St. SteVen]

One other oddity: While Paul would usually quote the Septuagint translation of the OT, in this case, Paul's citation does not even match the LXX, which also has "received". Did Paul have a non-standard or idiosyncratic Greek translation?

Right. What happened?
I found a number of apparent misquotes.

Perhaps they were quoting from memory since they were writing on a scroll with a dip ink pen.
It would be a real hassle to find the original quote to copy.

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[Bladerunner]

Right. What happened?
I found a number of apparent misquotes.

Perhaps they were quoting from memory since they were writing on a scroll with a dip ink pen.
It would be a real hassle to find the original quote to copy.

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to clarify Paul's writings, the Author is Jesus Christ

 

[Bladerunner]

I recently remembered a prophecy referred to by Jesus.
But I also remembered that orthodox Jews typically reject these "prophecies" saying that is not what they meant.
Were some of these prophecies, or other OT quotations acquired rather than intended?

Here are a couple. (we'll need to examine the context of the OT quotes)
Acquired rather than intended?

Mark 14:27 NET
Then[a] Jesus said to them, “You will all fall away, for it is written,
‘I will strike the shepherd,
and the sheep will be scattered.’[b]

--- COMPARE ---

Zechariah 13:7 NET
“Awake, sword, against my shepherd,
against the man who is my associate,”
says the Lord of Heaven’s Armies.
“Strike the shepherd that the flock may be scattered;[a]
I will turn my hand against the insignificant ones.

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Matthew 1:23 NET
“Look! The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son,
and they will name him[a] Emmanuel,”[b] which means[c] “God with us.”[d]

--- COMPARE ---

Isaiah 7:14; 8:8, 10 NET
14 For this reason the Lord himself will give you a confirming sign.[a]
Look, this[b] young woman[c] is about to conceive[d] and will give birth to a son.
You, young woman, will name him[e] Immanuel.[f] ...
8 It will spill into Judah, flooding and engulfing, as it reaches to the necks of its victims.
He will spread his wings out over your entire land,[a] O Immanuel.”[b] ...
10 Devise your strategy, but it will be thwarted.
Issue your orders, but they will not be executed![a
For God is with us![b]

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Has not GOD Blinded Israel "until" the fullness of the Gentiles...They are still blinded thus anything they say needs to be verified ten times over.

 

[St. SteVen]

to clarify Paul's writings, the Author is Jesus Christ ...
Has not GOD Blinded Israel "until" the fullness of the Gentiles...They are still blinded thus anything they say needs to be verified ten times over.

So, Jesus wrote the NT, but blind men wrote the OT?

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[Bladerunner]

So, Jesus wrote the NT, but blind men wrote the OT?

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No, Jesus authored that as well. Jesus did not write the NT but He did Author it.

 

[St. SteVen]

No, Jesus authored that as well. Jesus did not write the NT but He did Author it.

That sounds like double-talk. ???

Are you sure it was Jesus?

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[Bladerunner]

That sounds like double-talk. ???

Are you sure it was Jesus?

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If you look hard and deep enough you will find Jesus on every page of the OT......

 

[St. SteVen]

If you look hard and deep enough you will find Jesus on every page of the OT......

I see quite a pattern of grand claims in your posts.

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[Bladerunner]

I see quite a pattern of grand claims in your posts.

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ok: have you read Gen 5....you see Jesus in those pages??

 

[St. SteVen]

ok: have you read Gen 5....you see Jesus in those pages??

That's quite a walk-back from "Jesus authored the whole Bible."

And Genesis chapter 5 is the genealogy of Noah. ???

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[Bladerunner]

That's quite a walk-back from "Jesus authored the whole Bible."

And Genesis chapter 5 is the genealogy of Noah. ???

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Oh He did author the whole Bible......and Chapter 5 is the generations of ADAM, the First ADAM! Jesus is the 2nd Adam.....

 

[Lambano]

Since it's Christmas, let's talk about Matthew 2:23:

23 and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene.

Exactly WHERE do the prophets say this?

 

[St. SteVen]

Since it's Christmas, let's talk about Matthew 2:23:

23 and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene.

Exactly WHERE do the prophets say this?

Very obscure. But the Jews seemed to understand this for some reason.
Another Son of David reference, it seems. (see Isaiah 11:1 below)

• Mark 14:67
  When she saw Peter warming himself, she looked closely at him.
  “You also were with that Nazarene, Jesus,” she said.
  
  
• Mark 16:6
  “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene,
  who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him.

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: There is no direct Hebrew equivalent for Nazareth, but it may be related to the Hebrew word נֵצֶר (netser), meaning "branch," which is used in Isaiah 11:1 to refer to the Messiah.

Usage: Nazareth is a town in the region of Galilee, notable as the place where Jesus was raised. It is frequently mentioned in the New Testament as the hometown of Jesus, often referred to as "Jesus of Nazareth." The term "Nazarene" is derived from this location, signifying Jesus' association with the town.

Cultural and Historical Background: Nazareth was a small and relatively obscure village during the time of Jesus, not mentioned in the Old Testament or other contemporary historical records. Its obscurity is highlighted in John 1:46, where Nathanael asks, "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?" This reflects the town's humble status. Despite its insignificance, Nazareth holds great importance in Christian tradition as the place where the angel Gabriel announced to Mary that she would bear the Messiah (Luke 1:26-27).

Isaiah 11:1, 10 NIV
A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;
from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. ...
10 In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples;
the nations will rally to him, and his resting place will be glorious.

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[Lambano]

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: There is no direct Hebrew equivalent for Nazareth, but it may be related to the Hebrew word נֵצֶר (netser), meaning "branch," which is used in Isaiah 11:1 to refer to the Messiah.

I saw that in the NetBible footnotes. But that's a bit of a stretch to get from "Netser" (Hebrew "Branch") to "Nazaret". Still leaves Matthew open to charges that he's pulling prophesies out of his sphincter.

 

[St. SteVen]

I saw that in the NetBible footnotes. But that's a bit of a stretch to get from "Netser" (Hebrew "Branch") to "Nazaret". Still leaves Matthew open to charges that he's pulling prophesies out of his sphincter.

Yes. - LOL

Interesting that like the title Son of David, Nazerene seemed to be commonly understood in that culture.
Even the angel in Mark 16 used the term. Say what?

• Mark 14:67
  When she saw Peter warming himself, she looked closely at him.
  “You also were with that Nazarene, Jesus,” she said.
  
  
• Mark 16:6
  “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene,
  who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him.

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[Lambano]

Yes. - LOL

Interesting that like the title Son of David, Nazerene seemed to be commonly understood in that culture.
Even the angel in Mark 16 used the term. Say what?

• Mark 14:67
  When she saw Peter warming himself, she looked closely at him.
  “You also were with that Nazarene, Jesus,” she said.
  
  
• Mark 16:6
  “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene,
  who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him.

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Nah. The housekeeper and the angel were just referring to "that dude from Nazaret". Remember that Nazaret is in Galilee, and Galileans had distinctive hick accents, so his hometown would have been a way to distinguish Yeshua from Nazaret from all the other guys named Yeshua (Joshua; common name) in the greater Jerusalem metro area. Just like you're "St. SteVen from Minneapolis".

 

[St. SteVen]

Nah. The housekeeper and the angel were just referring to "that dude from Nazaret". Remember that Nazaret is in Galilee, and Galileans had distinctive hick accents, so his hometown would have been a way to distinguish Yeshua from Nazaret from all the other guys named Yeshua (Joshua; common name) in the greater Jerusalem metro area. Just like you're "St. SteVen from Minneapolis".

Ya sure, ya betcha. - LOL

I thought there was more to being a Nazarene.

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