Who or What is Babylon the Great? How do God’s people come to be in her?

[A Freeman]

So God created beings with full knowledge that they would be deceived and, consequently, would then punish them FOREVER?

Do you believe God infringes upon our free-will to choose between good and evil?

 

[quietthinker]

God created sentient beings with free will.....he educated them and told them how to gain everlasting life in paradise on earth, but when Adam’s sin took it away from them, he implemented a plan to save them. He sent his son to die in our place....the price of redemption was a sinless life offered for a sinless life.

It is the exercise of our free will that means the difference between life and death....we choose to do as we are told by the one who gave us life.....or we can choose to ignore and disobey him.....by our choice we choose life or death. How is that not fair?
Life was conditional from the outset......obey and live...disobey and die. Who has more right to lay down the rules that the one who made us?

When we buy as new appliance it usually has a guarantee from the manufacturer that is conditional....who says that is not fair?


The same fate as anyone who worships a false god and practices what God condemns.


Who said he punishes his creation forever? He gave humankind the opportunity to live forever in paradise on earth....they disobeyed the only command that they knew carried the death penalty, and basically threw us all under the bus.....satan lied to the woman to entice her to eat the fruit.....when she did that, she condemned herself to death, but Adam was the one who put all the nails in our coffin. It was through the man, not the woman, that sin entered into the world. (Romans 5:12)

If Adam had rejected his wife’s encouragement to eat of the one tree that God had claimed as his own property, (a symbol of his Universal Sovereignty) we would not be having this conversation. That one restriction created no hardship whatsoever for the pair as they had many varieties of fruit to choose from. The tree itself did not produce poisonous fruit but to partake of it would cause their death......taking the fruit of that tree, forced God to restrict access to the other tree in the garden....”the tree of life”. (Gen 3:22-24) It was this tree that would give them everlasting life. But sin now dominated their thinking because they chose to know it....one of those things that ‘once the genie was out of the bottle’ so to speak...their was no putting it back. They could not undo what they had just unleashed.

John 17:16....”They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.”

John 18:36....”Jesus answered: “My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.”

Luke 4:5-7 “All the kingdoms of the world” are under the control of Satan, because God gave them to him so that he could prove his claim to be the better god and ruler of mankind....Jesus did not dispute that statement.....so how is he doing?

Being “part of the world” is a trait of those in “Babylon the great”.....”Friendship with the world” makes one “an enemy of God” (James 4:4) Those in “Babylon the great” justify participation in wars because their love of their nation is their first concern.....a Christian has their citizenship in God’s Kingdom, not man’s. (Acts 10:24-25)

What happens when those on opposing sides of a war identify as Christians? Whose side does God take?
If he has told us to be no part of the world, then he doesn’t need to take sides...a genuine Christian would not participate in bloodshed.

According to the apostle Paul....we are to....”Return evil for evil to no one. Take into consideration what is fine from the viewpoint of all men. 18  If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men. 19  Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,’ says Jehovah.” 20  But “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals on his head.” 21  Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.”

Also John says....” If anyone says, “I love God,” and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For the one who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21  And we have this commandment from him, that whoever loves God must also love his brother.” (1 John 4:20-21)
That rules out taking up weapons against a fellow brother in Christ....and Paul says vengeance belongs to God, not us.

Have you ever wondered why you need to make so many words in an attempt to get a point across AJ?
....and do you get your point across is another question?
Could it be a possibility that the method you use is the same method used by most ....and from what I can see it is more chasing your own tail than progressive.
I have also noticed that when questions are inconvenient ie, they don't suit you, you just ignore them?

 

[A Freeman]

What is the fate of Catholics that die as Catholics?

They, like the rest of us, will be sent back here (to Earth/hell) until they get it right or until they run out of time and find themselves in The Fire.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Babylon the Great does not necessarily consist of nameable denominations (particularly those whom one is opposed to)

It’s not a matter of whom we are opposed to or not....it’s about who God is opposed to.
He is the one who dictates the qualifications that a Christian needs to enter the Kingdom, or to be a subject thereof.

Babylon the Great is far broader than that. It embraces all who operate by the principle of selfishness regardless whether their doctrines are right or wrong......and because of this, many of God's people are in this system.

Babylon the great is sometimes called “the greater Babylon”, which connects it to original Babylon...the seat and springboard of all false religion. It all started after the flood with Noah’s great grandson Nimrod, who figures strongly in many mythological religions.

When the building of the Tower of Babel was underway, God thwarted their efforts by confusing the language of the tower builders, thereby forcing them to leave off the construction and to separate into language groups and to take their false religious ideas with them out into the world.

God is about truth, so false doctrines are not something he has ever accepted.

They have not yet come to the realisation that the Kingdom of God is a Kingdom of Grace. It consists of giving not taking; its MO is humility rather than pride, it has the interest of the other over and above self interest.
It is what Jesus clarified to the rich young ruler who asked him about gaining eternal life. It appeared the price was too high for him. Mark 10:17-27

The Kingdom is about sacrifice....Christ’s sacrifice covers all our sinful mistakes, but it does not cover wilful unrepentant sin.....without repentance, there is no forgiveness. That is our sacrifice.....controlling our sinful selves so that we refrain from offending our God by being obedient to him in all things.

The rich young ruler did not want to part with his riches and because of that he had no “treasure in heaven”....earthly treasures are valueless to God. Christ taught us to share what we have with others.

Paul gives us the principle.....
“For if the readiness is there first, it is especially acceptable according to what a person has, not according to what a person does not have. 13  For I do not want to make it easy for others, but difficult for you; 14  but that by means of an equalizing, your surplus at the present time might offset their need, so that their surplus might also offset your deficiency, that there may be an equalizing. 15  Just as it is written: “The person with much did not have too much, and the person with little did not have too little.”

 

[Aunty Jane]

Have you ever wondered why you need to make so many words in an attempt to get a point across AJ?
....and do you get your point across is another question?
Could it be a possibility that the method you use is the same method used by most ....and from what I can see it is more chasing your own tail than progressive.
I have also noticed that when questions are inconvenient ie, they don't suit you, you just ignore them?

No one is standing there with a big stick forcing you to read a single syllable, QT.

I actually love questions, so I am at a loss as to when I have ignored any reasonable question.
Perhaps the questions were ridiculous? It could not be that you have asked ridiculous questions, could it?

Since your own posts IMO are often a mindless ramble, it amuses me that you have to make personal comments to detract from the fact that you seem to chase your own tail quite a lot. I don’t think making valid points is your own forte....

 

[quietthinker]

It’s not a matter of whom we are opposed to or not....it’s about who God is opposed to.
He is the one who dictates the qualifications that a Christian needs to enter the Kingdom, or to be a subject thereof.

Babylon the great is sometimes called “the greater Babylon”, which connects it to original Babylon...the seat and springboard of all false religion. It all started after the flood with Noah’s great grandson Nimrod, who figures strongly in many mythological religions.

When the building of the Tower of Babel was underway, God thwarted their efforts by confusing the language of the tower builders, thereby forcing them to leave off the construction and to separate into language groups and to take their false religious ideas with them out into the world.

God is about truth, so false doctrines are not something he has ever accepted.

The Kingdom is about sacrifice....Christ’s sacrifice covers all our sinful mistakes, but it does not cover wilful unrepentant sin.....without repentance, there is no forgiveness. That is our sacrifice.....controlling our sinful selves so that we refrain from offending our God by being obedient to him in all things.

The rich young ruler did not want to part with his riches and because of that he had no “treasure in heaven”....earthly treasures are valueless to God. Christ taught us to share what we have with others.

Paul gives us the principle.....
“For if the readiness is there first, it is especially acceptable according to what a person has, not according to what a person does not have. 13  For I do not want to make it easy for others, but difficult for you; 14  but that by means of an equalizing, your surplus at the present time might offset their need, so that their surplus might also offset your deficiency, that there may be an equalizing. 15  Just as it is written: “The person with much did not have too much, and the person with little did not have too little.”

It will be our own words which judge us.

 

[quietthinker]

No one is standing there with a big stick forcing you to read a single syllable, QT.

I actually love questions, so I am at a loss as to when I have ignored any reasonable question.
Perhaps the questions were ridiculous? It could not be that you have asked ridiculous questions, could it?

Since your own posts IMO are often a mindless ramble, it amuses me that you have to make personal comments to detract from the fact that you seem to chase your own tail quite a lot. I don’t think making valid points is your own forte....

I guess the 'mindless ramble' expression is a great way to be non specific and justify one's own perceived insight/ wisdom.

 

[A Freeman]

It’s not a matter of whom we are opposed to or not....it’s about who God is opposed to.
He is the one who dictates the qualifications that a Christian needs to enter the Kingdom, or to be a subject thereof.

Babylon the great is sometimes called “the greater Babylon”, which connects it to original Babylon...the seat and springboard of all false religion. It all started after the flood with Noah’s great grandson Nimrod, who figures strongly in many mythological religions.

When the building of the Tower of Babel was underway, God thwarted their efforts by confusing the language of the tower builders, thereby forcing them to leave off the construction and to separate into language groups and to take their false religious ideas with them out into the world.

God is about truth, so false doctrines are not something he has ever accepted.

The Kingdom is about sacrifice....Christ’s sacrifice covers all our sinful mistakes, but it does not cover wilful unrepentant sin.....without repentance, there is no forgiveness. That is our sacrifice.....controlling our sinful selves so that we refrain from offending our God by being obedient to him in all things.

The rich young ruler did not want to part with his riches and because of that he had no “treasure in heaven”....earthly treasures are valueless to God. Christ taught us to share what we have with others.

Paul gives us the principle.....
“For if the readiness is there first, it is especially acceptable according to what a person has, not according to what a person does not have. 13  For I do not want to make it easy for others, but difficult for you; 14  but that by means of an equalizing, your surplus at the present time might offset their need, so that their surplus might also offset your deficiency, that there may be an equalizing. 15  Just as it is written: “The person with much did not have too much, and the person with little did not have too little.”

Something to consider is that ALL organized religions are false by their very nature, as they take the Word of God (Truth) and mix into it a bunch of lies (the traditions and doctrines of men), which make the Commandments of God of no effect.

https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtruth/destruction-of-all-organized-religion/

Divide and conquer is a very obvious and well-documented SATANIC strategy that has been repeatedly used on us, unfortunately with great success. We have been divided by political parties, divided by organized religions, divided by legal systems of injustice, and even by silly sports.

All of this division is what prevents us from UNITING in one, common-goal to learn to DO God's Will, which begins with keeping God's Perfect Law of Liberty, exactly as Christ teaches.

"Babel" means CONFUSION. And Babel - on (Babylon) has plagued us with confusion for thousands of years.

If one recognizes the fact that the "great whore" of Babylon is the Roman Catholic church, which is the largest business empire on planet Earth and whores the Word of God for filthy lucre, then the next logical question should be how did the Babylonians become the Romans (yes, the Romans are the direct descendants of the Babylonians, and the only race of people to destroy Solomon's Temple - first as the Babylonians c. 588 B.C. and then as the Romans in 70 A.D., exactly as Christ prophesied)?

Revelation 17:4-5
17:4 And the woman was arrayed in PURPLE (bishops) and SCARLET (cardinals) colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY (2 Thess. 2:7), BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (her daughters) AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of her saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

A thoroughly detailed study of this has been made, in a three-part article series at the following hyperlink:

Babylon Revealed

This 3-part series includes the migration of Babylon in Scripture from Babylon to Rome via Asia Minor:

The Yellow Brick Road​

followed by a description of the organized religions that were spawned by Babylon:

The World’s Oldest Profession​

and concluding with the continuation of the Babylonian/Roman empire in our legal systems and in the chemical-pharmaceutical-medical industry that is poisoning us while profiting from human suffering.

All Warfare is Based on Deception​

We have been at war for thousands of years, and don't seem to even know it, all because most don't recognized how much of today's world is dominated by the Babylonian/Roman Empire throughout the institutions of church and state that have grown up around us.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Something to consider is that ALL organized religions are false by their very nature, as they take the Word of God (Truth) and mix into it a bunch of lies (the traditions and doctrines of men), which make the Commandments of God of no effect.

Bingo! All organized religions encompass the devil’s global empire of false religion. Great numbers are stuck in captivity to “Babylon the great” due to the nation in which they were born and raised, and the religious upbringing they had. But despite that, many have come out of her, but not a majority.
Original Babylon became a mighty world power and as such became part of the landscape…..and Babylon was used by God to punish his own people, conquering them and leading them captive to a very foreign land. God’s capital and its Temple lay in ruins. What happened to Israel in those circumstances?

The very reason why God used Babylon to conquer his people was because he wanted to show them through this punishment, what happens when you disobey him. In that foreign environment God would demonstrate that faith can conquer even the strongest world power. Along with the disobedient ones were those who remained faithful to their God in spite of their youth. Babylon was notorious for never allowing her prisoners to go free….and no one defied the king and lived to tell the tale.

Babylon subjugated her captives and tried to make them part of the empire. In Israel’s case they wanted the young nobles to become Babylonians…..changing their names and forcing their religious beliefs and practices on them, including the eating of foods that were forbidden under God’s law. Who were outstanding among those young men? Who hasn’t heard of Daniel, Shaʹdrach, Meʹshach, and A·bedʹne·go? (Daniel ch 3 & 6)

Divide and conquer is a very obvious and well-documented SATANIC strategy that has been repeatedly used on us, unfortunately with great success. We have been divided by political parties, divided by organized religions, divided by legal systems of injustice, and even by silly sports.

Indeed….divide and conquer is his most successful tactic.
Pride was also the undoing of satan himself. This trait is also seen in those who want positions of power over others.…and as we know….”power corrupts”.

Instead of cultivating a humble spirit, as a servant of his God, the devil wanted to elevate himself so that he could receive worship….the only problem is, all his fellow angels were equal in power to himself…..they could never see him as their god, but only as their leader. With the creation of humans, he had potential subjects….if only he could separate them from their Creator. We know how he solved that problem…and the rest as they say…is history.

Despite your beliefs concerning this supposed “prison planet” I see nothing that even hints of a pre-existence for humans, who were created to live here, not under the horrid conditions we find ourselves enduring, but in paradise on earth. Unending life on earth is what the Genesis account says was God’s first intention with regard to the human race…..I fail to see any mention of pre-existence for us. We are where God created us to be……but the human race was taken captive by an enemy…..a rebel who wanted us for his own amusement.

All of this division is what prevents us from UNITING in one, common-goal to learn to DO God's Will, which begins with keeping God's Perfect Law of Liberty, exactly as Christ teaches.

The uniting of God’s people takes place in spite of this divisive world situation….when God looks down upon this earth, all he sees among humanity are “wheat and weeds”…..people who are serving God in truth and those who are serving their own gods created in their own likeness.

When Jesus comes to judge us all….he will see only “sheep and goats”….. all who inhabit this planet will fall into only one of those two categories. God does not see denominations….he sees hearts and those hearts he “draws” into one spiritual family who of necessity believe only one truth. (1 Cor 1:10) It is God who chooses us by what is in our hearts, and how well we put into practice, Christ’s teachings.

"Babel" means CONFUSION. And Babel - on (Babylon) has plagued us with confusion for thousands of years.

Yes it does….and Babylon the great is still a mess of confusion and conflicting doctrines.
God’s true worshippers are not just talking the talk, but walking the walk…..”doing” what Jesus commanded, despite the fact that the world hates them. (John 15:18-21)

If one recognizes the fact that the "great whore" of Babylon is the Roman Catholic church, which is the largest business empire on planet Earth and whores the Word of God for filthy lucre, then the next logical question should be how did the Babylonians become the Romans (yes, the Romans are the direct descendants of the Babylonians, and the only race of people to destroy Solomon's Temple - first as the Babylonians c. 588 B.C. and then as the Romans in 70 A.D., exactly as Christ prophesied)?

The RCC is the most reprehensible part of Babylon the great because she alone claims to represent the true God, when all we see is her blatant disobedience and her elevation of those who are drunk with the power that the devil gives them over their brainwashed and hapless members, eagerly performing rituals that Christ never mentioned, practicing idolatry, but claiming it isn’t….worshipping Jesus’ mother but claiming it’s just due reverence. The departures from Christ’s teachings are so enormous, but no one raised in that church or any of its offshoots, can come out of her unless God opens their heart to the truth…..

Revelation 17:4-5
17:4 And the woman was arrayed in PURPLE (bishops) and SCARLET (cardinals) colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY (2 Thess. 2:7), BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (her daughters) AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of her saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

A thoroughly detailed study of this has been made, in a three-part article series at the following hyperlink:

I saw your writings, and I see much that is truth, but stained by some beliefs that have no basis in Scripture at all. Planet earth is not a prison….it is designed to be our permanent home…and will be again, once God has dealt with the rebellion is such a way that he preserves free will, cleanses the earth of all wickedness, and reinstates his first purpose for us humans that he created to share life with all his other creatures here.

Paradise was not a pipe dream….it is our future, if we can see past all the delusions and confusion that satan has created.

What God starts…he finishes. (Isa 55:11)

 

[A Freeman]

With regard to this being a prison planet, please see the following Scriptural references:


Enoch 18:15 Then the angel said: This place, until the consummation of heaven and Earth will be the PRISON for the stars, and the host of heaven (Rev. 12:7-9).

Psalms 69:33 For the "I AM" heareth the poor, and despiseth not His prisoners (all of the people on this prison planet).

Psalms 102:20 To hear the groaning of the prisoner (everyone on this prison planet); to free (only) those (who repent) that He has sentenced to death (every sinner);

Psalms 142:7 Bring my soul out of prison, that I may praise Thy name: the righteous shall compass me about; for Thou shalt deal bountifully with me.

Psalms 146:7 Which executeth Judgment for the oppressed: Which giveth food to the hungry. The "I AM" looseth the prisoners:

Ecclesiastes 4:14 For in this prison (planet earth) he cometh to reign; because of this [he that is] born in his kingdom becometh poor.

Isaiah 14:17 [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners?

Isaiah 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, [as] prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

Isaiah 42:7 TO OPEN BLIND EYES, TO BRING OUT THE PRISONERS FROM THIS PRISON [planet], [and] them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord "I AM" [is] upon me; because the "I AM" hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;

Lamentations 3:31-34
3:31 For the Lord will not cast off for ever:
3:32 But though He cause grief, yet will he have compassion according to the multitude of His mercies.
3:33 For He doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men.
3:34 To crush under His feet all the prisoners of the earth,

Even in the letters of Paul, there are references to being prisoners of Christ. Why prisoners of Christ instead of just His servants or His studients?

Romans 16:7 Salute Andrew and John, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles,

Ephesians 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

2 Timothy 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou a sharer of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

Philemon 1:1 Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy [our] brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer,

Philemon 1:9 Yet for love's sake I rather beseech [thee], being such an one as Paul the aged, and now also a prisoner of Jesus Christ.


Everyone here on Earth is a "sinner", are they not?
Romans 3:23 For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


What is a sinner? Someone who sins, i.e. someone who breaks The Law that God gave us for own individual and collective benefit.
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.

And what do we call someone who breaks The Law? A CRIMINAL.

Where are criminals sent, to protect the rest of civilized society while they the criminals, are being rehabilitated? TO A PRISON.


We live on a planet where every single soul is a CRIMINAL. Can it be more obvious that this a PRISON? Has not God made that fact crystal clear throughout Scripture?



Does anyone actually believe that God is unfair, or unjust, or that He would keep good people in prison/hell? Remember what Christ said to His own disciples?

Matthew 7:11 If ye then, BEING EVIL, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask Him?

Luke 9:54-56
9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elijah did?
9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, YE KNOW NOT WHAT KIND OF SPIRIT YE ARE OF (Rev. 12:7-9; Matt. 8:22).
9:56 For the Son of Man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save [them]. And they went to another village.


It's understandable that all of this may be new to most people, because we'd like to believe we are "good" people, even though Jesus didn't even say that about himself (Matt. 19:17). But if someone is humble enough, they will understand that no one would be sent to this prison unless they did something awful enough to deserve to be cast out of heaven to the earth (Rev. 12:7-9).

Why else would we need to be saved unless we were already under a death sentence?

 

[Aunty Jane]

@A Freeman can I ask what translation you are using, and how many of the scriptures you quoted are in any kind of context?

None of those verses say what you are inferring.

God created man out of the dust of the earth and at death he returns to the dust. That is all Genesis says about creation.
“In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Gen 3:19)

What was the sentencing for their disobedience?
There is no prison. There is no pre-existence because there is no soul that is separate and distinct from the body, no invisible spirit who has ever existed before, somewhere else.

Humans come into existence at conception, so before our parents were united, there was no ”us”…..we did not exist. We are a combination of two sets of DNA. God gave us the ability to procreate, but he is not responsible for our individual birth….we are the ones who choose to cause a pregnancy…..not God. Isn’t this why sex outside of marriage was against his law?

 

[face2face]

No doubt babylon will fully support Bible hating Kingdom Hall!

"Can you describe how the Hypostatic Union works, Jack? I know you like to quote Scripture, so in proving you are not part of this mysterious Babylonian body, maybe you can support your findings with some text.

F2F"

 

[Triumph1300]

They, like the rest of us, will be sent back here (to Earth/hell) until they get it right or until they run out of time and find themselves in The Fire.

What kind of nonsense is this?
Where did you pick up these weird ideas??

 

[NotTheRock]

Is Earth Babylon the Great?

 

[quietthinker]

Is Earth Babylon the Great?

Babylon the Great in my view is a religious/ political arrangement. It is the religious arm which leans on the political arm to achieve its ends. Babylon has 'the Great' tacked on because it is global in scope.

 

[NotTheRock]

Babylon the Great in my view is a religious/ political arrangement. It is the religious arm which leans on the political arm to achieve its ends. Babylon has 'the Great' tacked on because it is global in scope.

I considered that too but in the Bible it seems to be discussing a physical location.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Is Earth Babylon the Great?

Earth is the location of “Babylon the great”.....the world empire of false religion created by the devil to attract all manner of people in his global web of religious deceit. They are so busy arguing over who is right, and whose god is the true one, that they don’t realize that they are all worshipping the same false god disguised as the real one for all of them.......God tells us in his word what “Babylon the great” is.....
She is destroyed by the very ones she has befriended over the centuries.....(Rev 18)

There are three institutions who control this world under satan.....politics and its agencies.....commercialism and its agencies...and false religion and its many manifestations. By means of these three agencies, the devil has the majority of mankind, all tied up and under his control.

Revelation shows that “Babylon the great” is not the political system....and it’s not the commercial system because both are standing at a distance mourning her demise.....they benefitted from their immoral relationship with her (and why she is depicted as a prostitute).....but now they realize that the political powers have stripped her and destroyed her......she is satan’s global empire of false religion.....one who had “a kingdom over the kings of the earth”.......and that they will miss her.
Neither can understand what has happened, because it is God who puts it into the hearts of the political powers to destroy her. (Rev 17:15-18)
If they want “peace and security”.....their ‘one world government’ must get rid of the most divisive thing on the planet....one even more devicive than politics.

Do you see the Catholic Church cosying up to false religion? Did anyone see that coming 40 years ago?
Catholic people were the first to tell you that if you weren’t Catholic, you were going to hell.....why the change?

 

[quietthinker]

I considered that too but in the Bible it seems to be discussing a physical location.

We need to read the way scripture uses its terminology.
Babylon literal was the great enemy of Israel. It burnt Solomons Temple, the wonder of the known World and enslaved the people. Scripture now uses it as a metaphor for those opposed to God's people today. It also uses the name 'Israel' as a metaphor for God's people today, globally

Fail to understand this and one comes up with all manner of confused views.

 

[NotTheRock]

We need to read the way scripture uses its terminology.
Babylon literal was the great enemy of Israel. It burnt Solomons Temple, the wonder of the known World and enslaved the people. Scripture now uses it as a metaphor for those opposed to God's people today. It also uses the name 'Israel' as a metaphor for God's people today, globally

Fail to understand this and comes up with all manner of confused views.

I confess to not understanding Revelation. You got me there!

We know that the whole world is ruled by Satan and that he has his own system in place. Perhaps "Babylon the Great" is BOTH Earth and Satan's system?

 

[quietthinker]

I confess to not understanding Revelation. You got me there!

We know that the whole world is ruled by Satan and that he has his own system in place. Perhaps "Babylon the Great" is BOTH Earth and Satan's system?

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It's definitely Satan's system exercised through religious and political power.
Babylon is referred to as a city....those who live in Satans habitation, metaphorically speaking
Jerusalem is referred to as a city....those who live in God's habitation, metaphorically speaking

Both these cities (habitations) are also referred to in the feminine. Babylon a whore, Jerusalem a bride. A whore gives herself for perishable gain. A bride gives herself in loving relationship