OT scripture quoted many times in the New Testament (NT) - why?

[APAK]

It has been on my radar to discuss this topic of OT quotes in the NT for some time. I thought it was a subject that would be soon understood in time, or not become a major 'sticking' point. It has not unfortunately and only become a major obstacle in its understanding of who is YHWH and his Son.

For whatever reason and I suspect many times to further or promote ones own doctrine of who is God and his Son, the same common errs are still being made, many time deliberately, out of ignorance.

If one thinks it furthers one's own version of Binitarianism or Trinitarianism, well is does not. In fact it does the opposite. It clearly point to the consistency of revealing true Monotheism in both the OT and NT under the umbrella of Unitarianism - one true God.

The specific area I want to touch on is OT scripture and how it relates to God and Jesus as the Son of God.

Background:​

1. OT background: In the Old Testament, “LORD” (Hebrew: Yahweh, represented by the Tetragrammaton יהוה) is the personal name of God, often translated as “the Lord” or “God.” It’s used to describe God’s sovereignty, power, and covenant relationship with Israel.
2. NT application: In the New Testament, the title “LORD” or "Lord" is used to refer to/implicate Jesus Christ, specifically in contexts where He is described as the Son of God. This application is not a direct quote from the Old Testament, but rather an interpretation and fulfillment of OT prophecies.
3. Examples:
   • Matthew 1:20-21: An angel announces that Jesus will be called “Emmanuel,” which means “God with us.” This echoes Isaiah 7:14, where God promises a sign of a virgin bearing a son, Immanuel (meaning “God with us”).
   • Hebrews 1:5-6: The author quotes Psalm 2:7 and 2 Samuel 7:14, applying them to Jesus as the Son of God. This demonstrates the NT’s understanding of Jesus as the ultimate expression of God’s presence and power.
   • Mark 1:3: The author describes the servant and Son of God as in performing the work of his Father and the fulfillment of this prophecy. "Make way for the Lord/lord..." as his Father initially set the tone for its future fulfilment in his Son.
4. Consistency: Throughout the New Testament, Jesus is consistently referred to as the Son of God, with various titles. This includes His claims about Himself, the testimony of others (e.g., John the Baptist), and the affirmation of God the Father (e.g., at Jesus’ baptism and transfiguration).
5. Inconsistency with OT direct quotes: While the NT does not directly quote the Old Testament as saying “LORD” refers to Jesus as the Son of God, it does use OT passages to describe Jesus’ human 'nature' and his role or mission. This is an interpretive move, rather than a literal quotation.

So, the New Testament does not directly quote the Old Testament as saying “LORD/Lord” refers/referring to Jesus as the Son of God. Instead, it uses OT passages and themes to describe Jesus’ human nature and his divine characteristics/traits possessed drawn from his Father, applying them to Him as the fulfillment of OT prophecies. The NT’s understanding of Jesus as the Son of God is rooted in His own claims, the testimony of others, and the affirmation of God the Father, wo is the only YHWH.

There are many OT scripture riddled within the NT that shows what YHWH began and guided, his Son then completed to fruition in his time.

Blessing to All...

 

[MatthewG]

Hello Apak,

It reminds of when Jesus spoke in John 5:39 concerning the Old Testament: You search the Writings, because you think in them to have continuous life, and these are they that are testifying concerning Me;

 

[APAK]

Hello Apak,

It reminds of when Jesus spoke in John 5:39 concerning the Old Testament: You search the Writings, because you think in them to have continuous life, and these are they that are testifying concerning Me;

Vey appropriate to this subject. and thx for quoting Jesus who summed up the reason for my thread. 'They' testify about Jesus indeed....and not his Father directly.

 

[Wrangler]

It has been on my radar to discuss this topic of OT quotes in the NT for some time.

More than OT quotes out of context, this is what people need to understand about Jewish Holy texts. There is one God, YHWH, who we are to love with our all (the Sh’ma, Deut 6:4). Jesus said this is the most important commandment.

Jesus was a Jew born under the law, required to believe in this construction of the nature of our God and the loving nature of our relationship with Him (singular), aka Father.

Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and the entire Bible, with the possible exception of Luke, is written by Jews, who reject the idea of the trinity to this day and there is no evidence that Jesus ever stopped being Jewish.

From this perspective, this context, one must consider OT verses, which were mainly invoked in the NT to show how Jesus fulfills the Messianic prophecies. The NT calls Jesus a man many times and never says he is YHWH incarnate.

 

[face2face]

1. Examples:
   • Matthew 1:20-21: An angel announces that Jesus will be called “Emmanuel,” which means “God with us.” This echoes Isaiah 7:14, where God promises a sign of a virgin bearing a son, Immanuel (meaning “God with us”).

Hi Apak, the issue with this example is while it is presented correctly few understand the context of Isaiah 7 and what it is actually teaching!

7:2 It was reported to the family of David, “Syria has allied with Ephraim.” They and their people were emotionally shaken, just as the trees of the forest shake before the wind Is 7:2.

7:13 So Isaiah replied, “Pay attention, family of David. Do you consider it too insignificant to try the patience of men? Is that why you are also trying the patience of my God? Is 7:13

The context is to the Family of David and more perticluary the Covenant of David about divine origin of "the" seed (Christ).

It's the language of Isa 37:3, 22; Isa 66:7-9

How would "Ail (Power) with us" be revealed? As a God or a Man?

concerning his Son who was a descendant of David with reference to the flesh Ro 1:3.

A descended of David after the flesh would come to be known as the Son of Man and by Power and the ressurection the Son of God.

F2F

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

More than OT quotes out of context, this is what people need to understand about Jewish Holy texts. There is one God, YHWH, who we are to love with our all (the Sh’ma, Deut 6:4). Jesus said this is the most important commandment.

Jesus was a Jew born under the law, required to believe in this construction of the nature of our God and the loving nature of our relationship with Him (singular), aka Father.

Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and the entire Bible, with the possible exception of Luke, is written by Jews, who reject the idea of the trinity to this day and there is no evidence that Jesus ever stopped being Jewish.

From this perspective, this context, one must consider OT verses, which were mainly invoked in the NT to show how Jesus fulfills the Messianic prophecies. The NT calls Jesus a man many times and never says he is YHWH incarnate.

Jewish ?
Hebrew ! Jesus was a Hebrew ! well his Mother was a Hebrew.

Jesus = Salvation ? So he is Salvation it's self !
Jesus is not God the Father ? but to is he is in fact just that to us ? why well he only does the will of the Father ? and no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son ? get that !
So their are 3 in one as far as we are concerned ? that are one in the same in fact ! Period ! The Holy Spirit is one in the same as is Jesus is also the Holy Spirit in fact, for the two are one in the same !
Now without Salvation and the Holy Spirit then you have nothing in fact !

No one can come face to face with God the Father in fact ! one can only come through Salvation in Christ Jesus who is our Lord and Saviour ! of our Soul ?

God sent his only begotten Son ! their is only One ! not two ? Like some fools believe that Jesus did not give us all that we need to know ! he did ! and if one does not believe such then they are not Saved ! they are looking for another Saviour in fact !
Once you are truly Saved then that's it ! Period ! for you know, you do not have to seek, for you are then Blessed ! you are then as one with Christ Jesus and he with you ! for no one can snatch one out of his Hand ! at the second coming how can such be saved once again ? twice saved ? No !

Jesus is the Hebrew Messiah ! and the worthy Hebrews were Saved, when Jesus went to Heaven in fact !

The so called Jews were not worthy of the God of the Hebrews in fact ! and they the so called Jews ? are still under a curse in fact ! because they are not worthy of the Hebrew God in fact, for they have other gods that they idolise in fact ! that's why the Jews have failed time and time again because they are not worthy in fact !

The Key is in understanding Nathaniel, why Jesus said of him, a worthy Israelite in fact ! now it's not just that, one has to truly understand the whole issue of Nathaniel, because he is a worthy Hebrew in fact and worthy of Israel !

Just as we can seen in Jacob, one must seek as to why was he called Israel ! that's the key ! So we see that this world sure has Hell does not want you all to seek all about Jacob or Nathaniel, because that is a danger to the so called religious carnal rats, for they see themselves as their Job ? is to peddle their own religious worldly ways, for they do not serve Christ Jesus truly at all, because if they did, you would not see the falling away ! It's just a Job to them ! they are not worthy of Israel ! Israel is the Servants of Go ! not just some dipstick good for nothing clown. that does not inspire one and all to to be lifted up by the Power and the Glory in Christ Jesus in fact ! but ou worthy just put all to sleep of bordom and play this worlds glitter and ego pose looking good in the eyes of the Lost ! and the Carnal religious swallow it all like a Dog to vommit !

No one becomes Israel by birth in fact ! but this world makes out that such is a birth right ! but it never was at all !
Carnal people and religious carnal people Idolise the so called Jews ? because of this world ! God never taught them such, that was this world !

Fact is one can make claims of being born again Saved but that does not cut it with God in fact, just because one says it or thinks they are so ! or boast such.
Just like a Priest ? who does he serve ? is he worthy like Nathaniel or Jacob became ?
See they were not Israel until they were given the Glory in fact because they were worthy in fact ! An Angel gave such to Jacob and Jesus himself gave it to Nathaniel ! No other man was given that Glory in the Bible.

Like who are Gods people in fact ? they who are worthy in fact ! not the so called Jews for they never were truly worthy of God ! they were of this world in fact ! Lost under deceptions and delusions in fact ! just as a Christian is not worthy of God untill one is Saved ! but for the worthy Hebrews ? for they were worthy of Holy Moses in fact ! that's why they had faith in Jesus !
The other Jews were on a mans works trip because, who was leading them was in fact Lost and we see in ACTS, Stephen called them all out and they killed him because they were offended !
God had offended them ! and Saul got the message and became Paul ! God spoke to him ?
Stephen was speaking as a messenger from God ! Bible says, they all seen that in fact ! his face was that of an Angel !

 

[face2face]

Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and the entire Bible, with the possible exception of Luke, is written by Jews, who reject the idea of the trinity to this day and there is no evidence that Jesus ever stopped being Jewish.

How can he, for he was part of the cultivated Olive Tree and its roots?

"I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star!" (Revelation 22:16)

God made all His promises in him, yes, from which he himself benefits.

He died as the King of the Jews, and He will return to be inaugurated as the King of the Jews.

God is not a Jew!....Christ is

F2F

 

[Bob Estey]

It has been on my radar to discuss this topic of OT quotes in the NT for some time. I thought it was a subject that would be soon understood in time, or not become a major 'sticking' point. It has not unfortunately and only become a major obstacle in its understanding of who is YHWH and is Son.

For whatever reason and I suspect many times to further or promote ones own doctrine of who is God and his Son, the same common errs are still being made, many time deliberately, out of ignorance.

If one thinks it furthers one's own version of Binitarianism or Trinitarianism, well is does not. In fact it does the opposite. It clearly point to the consistency of revealing true Monotheism in both the OT and NT under the umbrella of Unitarianism - one true God.

The specific area I want to touch on is OT scripture and how it relates to God and Jesus as the Son of God.

Background:​

1. OT background: In the Old Testament, “LORD” (Hebrew: Yahweh, represented by the Tetragrammaton יהוה) is the personal name of God, often translated as “the Lord” or “God.” It’s used to describe God’s sovereignty, power, and covenant relationship with Israel.
2. NT application: In the New Testament, the title “LORD” or "Lord" is used to refer to/implicate Jesus Christ, specifically in contexts where He is described as the Son of God. This application is not a direct quote from the Old Testament, but rather an interpretation and fulfillment of OT prophecies.
3. Examples:
   • Matthew 1:20-21: An angel announces that Jesus will be called “Emmanuel,” which means “God with us.” This echoes Isaiah 7:14, where God promises a sign of a virgin bearing a son, Immanuel (meaning “God with us”).
   • Hebrews 1:5-6: The author quotes Psalm 2:7 and 2 Samuel 7:14, applying them to Jesus as the Son of God. This demonstrates the NT’s understanding of Jesus as the ultimate expression of God’s presence and power.
   • Mark 1:3: The author describes the servant and Son of God as in performing the work of his Father and the fulfillment of this prophecy. "Make way for the Lord/lord..." as his Father initially set the tone for its future fulfilment in his Son.
4. Consistency: Throughout the New Testament, Jesus is consistently referred to as the Son of God, with various titles. This includes His claims about Himself, the testimony of others (e.g., John the Baptist), and the affirmation of God the Father (e.g., at Jesus’ baptism and transfiguration).
5. Inconsistency with OT direct quotes: While the NT does not directly quote the Old Testament as saying “LORD” refers to Jesus as the Son of God, it does use OT passages to describe Jesus’ human 'nature' and his role or mission. This is an interpretive move, rather than a literal quotation.

So, the New Testament does not directly quote the Old Testament as saying “LORD/Lord” refers/referring to Jesus as the Son of God. Instead, it uses OT passages and themes to describe Jesus’ human nature and his divine characteristics/traits possessed drawn from his Father, applying them to Him as the fulfillment of OT prophecies. The NT’s understanding of Jesus as the Son of God is rooted in His own claims, the testimony of others, and the affirmation of God the Father, wo is the only YHWH.

There are many OT scripture riddled within the NT that shows what YHWH began and guided, his Son then completed to fruition in his time.

Blessing to All...

Perhaps we need to be reminded of what the Lord said in the Old Testament.

 

[face2face]

It has been on my radar to discuss this topic of OT quotes in the NT for some time. I thought it was a subject that would be soon understood in time, or not become a major 'sticking' point. It has not unfortunately and only become a major obstacle in its understanding of who is YHWH and his Son.

For whatever reason and I suspect many times to further or promote ones own doctrine of who is God and his Son, the same common errs are still being made, many time deliberately, out of ignorance.

If one thinks it furthers one's own version of Binitarianism or Trinitarianism, well is does not. In fact it does the opposite. It clearly point to the consistency of revealing true Monotheism in both the OT and NT under the umbrella of Unitarianism - one true God.

The specific area I want to touch on is OT scripture and how it relates to God and Jesus as the Son of God.

Background:​

1. OT background: In the Old Testament, “LORD” (Hebrew: Yahweh, represented by the Tetragrammaton יהוה) is the personal name of God, often translated as “the Lord” or “God.” It’s used to describe God’s sovereignty, power, and covenant relationship with Israel.
2. NT application: In the New Testament, the title “LORD” or "Lord" is used to refer to/implicate Jesus Christ, specifically in contexts where He is described as the Son of God. This application is not a direct quote from the Old Testament, but rather an interpretation and fulfillment of OT prophecies.
3. Examples:
   • Matthew 1:20-21: An angel announces that Jesus will be called “Emmanuel,” which means “God with us.” This echoes Isaiah 7:14, where God promises a sign of a virgin bearing a son, Immanuel (meaning “God with us”).
   • Hebrews 1:5-6: The author quotes Psalm 2:7 and 2 Samuel 7:14, applying them to Jesus as the Son of God. This demonstrates the NT’s understanding of Jesus as the ultimate expression of God’s presence and power.
   • Mark 1:3: The author describes the servant and Son of God as in performing the work of his Father and the fulfillment of this prophecy. "Make way for the Lord/lord..." as his Father initially set the tone for its future fulfilment in his Son.
4. Consistency: Throughout the New Testament, Jesus is consistently referred to as the Son of God, with various titles. This includes His claims about Himself, the testimony of others (e.g., John the Baptist), and the affirmation of God the Father (e.g., at Jesus’ baptism and transfiguration).
5. Inconsistency with OT direct quotes: While the NT does not directly quote the Old Testament as saying “LORD” refers to Jesus as the Son of God, it does use OT passages to describe Jesus’ human 'nature' and his role or mission. This is an interpretive move, rather than a literal quotation.

So, the New Testament does not directly quote the Old Testament as saying “LORD/Lord” refers/referring to Jesus as the Son of God. Instead, it uses OT passages and themes to describe Jesus’ human nature and his divine characteristics/traits possessed drawn from his Father, applying them to Him as the fulfillment of OT prophecies. The NT’s understanding of Jesus as the Son of God is rooted in His own claims, the testimony of others, and the affirmation of God the Father, wo is the only YHWH.

There are many OT scripture riddled within the NT that shows what YHWH began and guided, his Son then completed to fruition in his time.

Blessing to All...

Apak, I have a Jewish friend who recently accepted the Messiah into his heart. Raised as an orthodox Jew and fluent in Hebrew, you’d be amazed to hear him read the Scriptures and point out how he now sees Christ throughout the text. Whenever salvation or being saved is mentioned in the Psalms, he recognizes Christ in meaning of those words.

I have to pinch myself when I show him an OT echoe and his get emotional. His parents have disowned him, very sad.

Christ came to bring a sword!

F2F

 

[Taken]

OT scripture quoted many times in the New Testament (NT) - why?

Because…
A relationship of ONE Man and God Is Ongoing …Being Established day by day as long as mortal men are being born.

Scriptures ARE…
Fulfilled BY God…AND by Human men.

* Scriptures Fulfilled By God …are Called Finished.

* Scriptures fulfilled By Men…are called having Finished “their” course.
(Example;
Forgiven; Soul Restored (ie. Saved); Spirit Quickened (ie born again)…Finished…called A new creature.)

* In the latter Days More Works of God ON Earth and IN men, is to come…until it can be Said…it is Done.

Glory to God,
Taken