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These missed the Holy Ghost memo too

Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
 

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I dont really count, I think you wanted a triune God thing or not in some way, and I only know to quote where Jesus mentions the Father, Son and Holy Ghost in that verse so I posted it.

I dont think Jesus is convoluted for mentioning all three of them there no.
There is not doubt we have God who is Father and a Son who owes his existence the Father and the HS, which is God's Power. I also know the OT believers could know God and be in a saving relationship with him monotheistic understanding.
 

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These missed the Holy Ghost memo too

Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Ghost is a very poor translation - Spirit is better.

But good quote!
 

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There is not doubt we have God who is Father and a Son who owes his existence the Father and the HS, which is God's Power. I also know the OT believers could know God and be in a saving relationship with him monotheistic understanding.
I dont even know what that is, what is a relationship of 1, 2, 3, 4? Its ridiculous sounding whether it comes from the 1's or the 3's
 

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No, I just have a thing about the KJV that's all
We all have our "thangs", I'm not an onlyist so I am not going to freak out on you over it. It can just be hard to tip toe around everyones things (Grammar police love me too). But in this case, that would mean when I converse with you (and remember that I am) that I should either accept the fact you will go after the words in my translation (like Ghost) for Spirit in every post, or we can acknowledge that the Holy Ghost is the Holy Spirit (and that neither of us is fooled by this) OR I gotta CLEAN all my scripture passages to your preferred translation before posting them to you which becomes laborsome. Only to get nailed by the KJV onlyists and then the ignore button gets fired up. Theres enough back and forth over pettier things, they just all add up.
 
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We all have our "thangs", I'm not an onlyist so I am not going to freak out on you over it. It can just be hard to tip toe around everyones things (Grammar police love me too). But in this case, that would mean when I converse with you (and remember that I am) that I should either accept the fact you will go after the words in my translation (like Ghost) for Spirit in every post, or we can acknowledge that the Holy Ghost is the Holy Spirit (and that neither of us is fooled by this) OR I gotta CLEAN all my scripture passages to your preferred translation before posting them to you which becomes laborsome. Only to get nailed by the KJV onlyists and then the ignore button gets fired up. Theres enough back and forth over pettier things, they just all add up.
I was a hardcore KJV onlyist in my younger fundamentalist's years. It took great trauma for me to leave it for the NET and other translations.
 

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I was a hardcore KJV onlyist in my younger fundamentalist's years. It took great trauma for me to leave it for the NET and other translations.
It was just the book I learned to read on, and it stuck, and it works for me. I am attached to it mostly by way of familarity, by way of comparison and the words used between the comparisons that I can find what I am looking or speedily. But I know how to look up words and I have and I do because when I need something magnified to me a little more I look more closely for my own questions. Most of the time they are rarely the problem some can make them out to be. Especially in a book where you compare between many pictures and sayings, I find words dont really stumble you. You can often get past the word police too. I used to have several example of this because it was getting on my nerves years ago, but none are coming to mind.

There was only thing that might have made want to flee the KJV was being thought of as an onlyist (haha). Im not a KJV snob or a word snob.
 
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It was just the book I learned to read on, and it stuck, and it works for me. I am attached to it mostly by way of familarity, by way of comparison and the words used between the comparisons that I can find what I am looking or speedily. But I know how to look up words and I have and I do because when I need something magnified to me a little more I look more closely for my own questions. Most of the time they are rarely the problem some can make them out to be. Especially in a book where you compare between many pictures and sayings, I find words dont really stumble you. You can often get past the word police too. I used to have several example of this because it was getting on my nerves years ago, but none are coming to mind.

There was only thing that might have made want to flee the KJV was being thought of as an onlyist (haha). Im not a KJV snob or a word snob.
The KJV contains some of the most profound biblical echoes that other translations lack. However, my concern is its relevance for teaching young people today. It can be a challenging read if you're not familiar with the Queen's English.
 

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This thread was created out of the many trinitarian threads going on at the moment. I am a Unitarian for what is worth. So I have been in the trenches for the past week. Time to rest and reboot.
 

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The KJV contains some of the most profound biblical echoes that other translations lack. However, my concern is its relevance for teaching young people today. It can be a challenging read if you're not familiar with the Queen's English.
I would agree with you on the basis of the above typically, because people cannot read or write well. I am one of them. When I started with the KJV I had gotten out of the millitary because I was good for nothing else really. I had a 5th grade reading average, and barely graduated HS back in my day, and public education is worst today than it was in my day. You might have a point there. All I know is that the desire God put in me to know Him and the scriptures made getting a book into me easier. I wanted nothing to do with books. I had to look up what "THOU" meant and "THEE". I was that dumb. And I needed to know what fornication was before the time I actually learned what it was (If you get my drift). So I say, I actually learned to read using KJV and at a time we did not have computers, I sat with my bible on a table and the dictionary on my lap and, just would end up flipping "back and forth" at some point until I found the internet years later. Learning to communicate with others did not go so well. I typed in all caps, didnt know how to do paragraphs or where to put periods etc. I was a mess, I still carry some bad habits, especially using apostrophys or YOUR'S verses YOU'RE, I before e's all that stuff. For me those are so small considering how bad I was, so when someone complains they have no idea.

I dont use spell check so if thats another one of you "thangs" just telling you in advance. I can somewhat agree with you understanding where you are coming from on this, and even understand the difficulties but I couldnt read a tale of two cities and because of that I had to go to summer school but I was willing and ready (and God abled) to read what bible I had and that was the KJV and I love it after over 30 years its comfortable to me.

I wouldnt sweat it over that, I know I wouldnt
 
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This thread was created out of the many trinitarian threads going on at the moment. I am a Unitarian for what is worth. So I have been in the trenches for the past week. Time to rest and reboot.
I dont know what that is, but I also dont know what all the other big name churches believe either. I dont even know about all these ISMS that are out there are raged over. So I am probably in the wrong thread when it comes to discussing these sorts of things. I try to stay away from church brand topics and who has what in their happy meal.
 
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I think you both might have missed the point of the opening question.

When Paul wrote that God preserved Israel for the sake of the Elect i.e. Abraham, Isaac & Jacob etc these are those who are saved and those who understood God, His Person and Position in the Heavens. Yes there were those who were hardened who knew not the Faith of Abraham but many we know did.

Can you see how this question has relevance?

Did Jesus himself confirm that the OT Jews fully understood God's identity and had salvific knowledge of Him?

Jesus interprets Gen 22 in John 8 as one such example.

Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” Jn 8:56.

By his eye of faith Abraham not only understood Yahweh but understood God would have a promised son who would fulfill the type of Isaac.

F2F

There is and should be no question that those who believed and whole heartly followed God and His ways, had faith in His promises of deliverance.

Other than that, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
 
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Yeah, Jesus is quoting Psalm 110:1 Where else could you possibly think he was quoting from?
Lord said to my Lord is only found in the translations altered by satans will= no religion that has Jesus uses those translations when God fixed it= New world translation. The altered translations-MISLEAD.
 

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Lord said to my Lord is only found in the translations altered by satans will= no religion that has Jesus uses those translations when God fixed it= New world translation. The altered translations-MISLEAD.
You are another one of those eh?
 

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Questions, Answers, and Everything In Between: Exploring God

God ….Creator
God…..Maker
God ….All-Mighty

God….Ideas………....WHAT ? to Create
God….Maker……..….in Agreement
God….All-Mighty…..in Agreement

HOW….?
Creator…Maker…All-Mighty …established Agreement?

* Creator…Maker…All-Mighty…
Council Together.

Isa 40:
[13] Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counseller hath taught him?
[14] With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?

WHO ?
With WHOM ?

Me…Myself…I…Us…Our…I AM…He…

God….Creator
God….Maker
God….All-Mighty

I AM HE!

Names For I AM He?

Creator………....Yehweh
Maker……………Yeshua
All-Mighty……..Messiah

Creator……..creates…
All-Mighty…works……
Maker……….speaks….

Together…

Gen 1:
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit /All-Mighty/of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] And God Word/ Maker/ said, Let there be light: and there was light.


What God….Created….His Idea.
What God….Makes….…He speaks.
What God….Does………His Power fulfills.
Will…Accomplished….Check
Will…Finished…………..Check.
Will…Done………….…..(Not YET)

John 19:
[28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

John 19:
[30] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Rev 21:
[6] And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

ManKind…me, myself, I …replicate same Method…

The Whole of The (Lord God Almighty)….
Offering to ManKIND….

And ….
My idea, my word, my power, my Free-Will to accept His Offering…
to Establish my will be accomplished, finished, done…..By, Through, Of Him
THAT:
The Whole of me (body, soul, spirit) BE With or Without….The Whole of The:
Lord God Almighty.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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There is and should be no question that those who believed and whole heartly followed followed God and His ways, had faith in His promises of deliverance.

Other than that, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
OT beleivers knew not the truine god but were saved by a single All Powerful God. It simply proves the importance of the Trinity is removed once one understands how God saves through His Son.

After all Jesus has a God.

F2F
 

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OT beleivers knew not the truine god but were saved by a single All Powerful God. It simply proves the importance of the Trinity is removed once one understands how God saves through His Son.

After all Jesus has a God.

F2F

Okay, I am going to shed some light:

Man--even Jesus--is created in the "image" of God, even if only "an image dimly." Thus your above "Jesus has a God" hypothesis, is like saying: "The image in a mirror reflects an object in front of it."

Well, duh! But apparently you do not understand what you have said, or the simplicity of what is written.