Is it prideful or arrogant to claim to be "born again"?

[NotTheRock]

Jesus paid the price for ALL people, regardless of whether or not they accept it.

1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

What frees us from the bondage of sin, as well as a trip to the LOF, is the belief in Jesus and one's desire to follow him. Otherwise they go to the LOF for a period of time until they too are saved from it by Jesus. That is why Jesus is described as WAITING in 1 Corinthians 15:25. Jesus is WAITING on the unsaved to be granted repentance by God so that they can (and will) follow Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15:25
For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

If Jesus just threw people into "Hell" and forgot about them there wouldn't be a reason for Jesus to wait as described.

 

[David in NJ]

In some ways yes, but not in all ways.

No one is sinless and perfect - Only JESUS

We will struggle in this world with temptation and sin as it is constantly around us.
This is why we have a Mediator between us and the FATHER = our High Priest, the Lord Jesus Christ

The Victory over sin is in the Lord Jesus Christ - PERIOD

In Christ dwells the fulness of God.

What you most likely are lacking is the Baptism of/in the Holy Spirit.

Have you ever read the entire Gospel of John???

 

[NayborBear]

Being born again is something we are called to pursue but it's something that happens to us, not something that we can do for ourselves, right?

Anyway, I believe that I am "born again" but I don't KNOW that I am and even if I did, I would NOT exclaim "I'm born again!". It just seems self-serving to me.

Am I wrong to feel that way?

It's not any more "self serving" then those 5 "wise" virgins who would not give up their oil to the 5 "foolish" virgins!

As far as "something" one can do for oneself?
1 Peter 2:5 (KJV)
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

As to just WHAT "spiritual sacrifices" are acceptable? Is a matter one must take up with Jesus Christ of Nazareth,
All I can tell ya is we're all different!
I can also tell ya. It's the truth!

 

[NotTheRock]

Have you ever read the entire Gospel of John???

Not recently. Why?

 

[NotTheRock]

Are there any examples in the Bible wherein people stated that THEY were "born again"? The following is an example of people being told that they were "born again", but is there an example of someone saying that THEY are "born again"?

1 Peter 1:23
Since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;

 

[David in NJ]

Not recently. Why?

The only Way we get to know our Heavenly FATHER is thru the Lord Jesus Christ.
The only Way we get to know the Lord Jesus Christ is thru His Gospel.

This is why JESUS says: IAM the Way the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father but thru ME - John 14:6

The Gospel of John is like a Top Secret Document that God wants to share with those who belong to Him.

It has pertinent instructions for every Born-Again Saint so that we may grow into Christ.

The Gospel of John shows us how to know God in the most intimate way, whereby our faith is greatly strengthened.

 

[NotTheRock]

The only Way we get to know our Heavenly FATHER is thru the Lord Jesus Christ.
The only Way we get to know the Lord Jesus Christ is thru His Gospel.

This is why JESUS says: IAM the Way the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father but thru ME - John 14:6

The Gospel of John is like a Top Secret Document that God wants to share with those who belong to Him.

It has pertinent instructions for every Born-Again Saint so that we may grow into Christ.

The Gospel of John shows us how to know God in the most intimate way, whereby our faith is greatly strengthened.

Thank you.

 

[David in NJ]

Are there any examples in the Bible wherein people stated that THEY were "born again"? The following is an example of people being told that they were "born again", but is there an example of someone saying that THEY are "born again"?

1 Peter 1:23
Since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;

You just nailed it with 1 Peter 1:23

Abraham, Moses, David and the OT prophets were all born-again by the WORD of GOD.

SAME for us Today

This is why the Scripture says "Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart" - Hebrews 3:14-15

This is why JESUS says: "these words I speak to you, they are Spirit and they are Life" - John 6:62

 

[NotTheRock]

You just nailed it with 1 Peter 1:23

Abraham, Moses, David and the OT prophets were all born-again by the WORD of GOD.

SAME for us Today

This is why the Scripture says "Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart" - Hebrews 3:14-15

This is why JESUS says: "these words I speak to you, they are Spirit and they are Life" - John 6:62

Thanks.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

That translation is erroneous.

Mark 3:29 CLNT
yet whoever should be blaspheming against the holy spirit is having no pardon for the eon, but is liable to the eonian penalty for the sin"

What is your assessment of all those scriptures? There is a common message that most perceive. And you wouldn't even have to be born again to discern it, since the message goes out to all.
Jesus offers eternal.life (salvation) - if you believe in Him and if not, the judgment of death (destruction in the Lake of Fire). And that message is not erroneous..However, Universalism is.

 

[NotTheRock]

What is your assessment of all those scriptures? There is a common message that most perceive. And you wouldn't even have to be born again to discern it, since the message goes out to all.
Jesus offers eternal.life (salvation) - if you believe in Him and if not, the judgment of death (destruction in the Lake of Fire). And that message is not erroneous..However, Universalism is.

You'll believe when you see Satan laughing with Jesus while riding piggyback in Heaven.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

The Lake of Fire ultimately saves. That's how we get to "the living God is the Savior of ALL men", "EVERY tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord", etc.

The LOF can be described as punitive but it actually chastens. It purifies for the purpose of restoration. What is "destroyed" is the old self, NOT the soul.

The lake of fire is a term used in only a few verses near the end in the book of Revelation (Revelation 19:20; 20:10, 14, 15; 21:8). Jesus refers to Gehenna/hell several times (Matthew 10:28; Mark 9:43; Luke 12:5), as well as an “outer darkness” (Matthew 8:12; 22:13). These all seem to be different references to the same thing. Hell, the lake of fire, and outer darkness are all terms describing the final destination of those who reject Christ. This is a state of complete separation from God, never-ending and inescapable.

According to the Bible, the lake of fire is the “second death.” This is the ultimate consequence of sin, which is to be totally cut off from God. The lake of fire will be a place of perpetual suffering and misery. Scripture indicates that every person whose name is not in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15). The lake of fire will also be the fate of the beast and false prophet from the end times (Revelation 19:20), as well as Satan himself (Revelation 20:10). The Bible indicates that both death and Hades—the temporary destination of the unsaved dead—will also be cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:14).

Even though hell is described using terminology such as fire and flame, it is not meant to be thought of as only a physical place. Hell is described as a place of “torment,” not “torture,” initially intended for purely spiritual beings (Matthew 25:41). In fact, the worst aspect of hell is an eternity of conscious, guilty, shameful separation from God and all forms of goodness. In that sense, hell is far worse than a literal inferno; a purely physical hell is actually not as terrible as what the Bible describes.

In other words, the Bible tells us what hell is “like,” using symbols such as the lake of fire. But Scripture does not tell us too much about what hell “is,” in direct terms.

Fire is often used as a symbol of God’s judgment. The symbolism stems from real-life examples of God’s use of fire to punish the wicked—the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:24), for example, and the destruction of Elijah’s enemies (2 Kings 1:12). Prophets associated God or His throne with a stream of fire, a symbol of His holy punishment of sin (e.g., Daniel 7:10; Isaiah 30:33). The fact that the destiny of those who reject God is pictured as a “lake of fire” speaks to how serious the judgment is. When God finally abolishes sin and death, all sinners will be condemned to the worst possible fate, described in the Bible using the most horrific terms.
Gotquestions.org

 

[ElectedbyHim]

Jesus paid the price for ALL people, regardless of whether or not they accept it.

1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

What frees us from the bondage of sin, as well as a trip to the LOF, is the belief in Jesus and one's desire to follow him. Otherwise they go to the LOF for a period of time until they too are saved from it by Jesus. That is why Jesus is described as WAITING in 1 Corinthians 15:25. Jesus is WAITING on the unsaved to be granted repentance by God so that they can (and will) follow Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15:25
For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

If Jesus just threw people into "Hell" and forgot about them there wouldn't be a reason for Jesus to wait as described.

1 John 2:2

propitiation. Cf. 1Jn_4:10. The word means "appeasement" or "satisfaction." The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross satisfied the demands of God's holiness for the punishment of sin (cf. Rom_1:18; 2Co_5:21; Eph_2:3). So Jesus propitiated or satisfied God. See notes on Heb_2:17; Heb_9:15 for a clear illustration of propitiation.

for the whole world. This is a generic term, referring not to every single individual, but to mankind in general. Christ actually paid the penalty only for those who would repent and believe. A number of Scriptures indicate that Christ died for the world (Joh_1:29; Joh_3:16; Joh_6:51; 1Ti_2:6; Heb_2:9). Since much of the world will be eternally condemned to hell to pay for their own sins, they could not have been paid for by Christ (cf. Mat_7:13-14).

The passages which speak of Christ's dying for the whole world must be understood to refer to mankind in general (as in Tit_2:11). World indicates the sphere, the beings toward whom God seeks reconciliation and has provided propitiation. God has mitigated His wrath on sinners temporarily, by letting them live and enjoy earthly life (see note on 1Ti_4:10). In that sense, Christ has provided a brief, temporal propitiation for the whole world. But He actually satisfied fully the wrath of God eternally only for the elect who believe. Christ's death in itself had unlimited and infinite value because He is Holy God. Thus, His sacrifice was sufficient to pay the penalty for all the sins of all whom God brings to faith. But the actual satisfaction and atonement was made only for those who believe (cf. Joh_10:11, Joh_10:15; Joh_17:9, Joh_17:20; Act_20:28; Rom_8:32, Rom_8:37; Eph_5:25). The pardon for sin is offered to the whole world, but received only by those who believe (cf. 1Jn_4:9, 1Jn_4:14; Joh_5:24). There is no other way to be reconciled to God.

 

[David in NJ]

1 John 2:2

propitiation. Cf. 1Jn_4:10. The word means "appeasement" or "satisfaction." The sacrifice of Jesus on the cross satisfied the demands of God's holiness for the punishment of sin (cf. Rom_1:18; 2Co_5:21; Eph_2:3). So Jesus propitiated or satisfied God. See notes on Heb_2:17; Heb_9:15 for a clear illustration of propitiation.

for the whole world. This is a generic term, referring not to every single individual, but to mankind in general. Christ actually paid the penalty only for those who would repent and believe. A number of Scriptures indicate that Christ died for the world (Joh_1:29; Joh_3:16; Joh_6:51; 1Ti_2:6; Heb_2:9). Since much of the world will be eternally condemned to hell to pay for their own sins, they could not have been paid for by Christ (cf. Mat_7:13-14).

The passages which speak of Christ's dying for the whole world must be understood to refer to mankind in general (as in Tit_2:11). World indicates the sphere, the beings toward whom God seeks reconciliation and has provided propitiation. God has mitigated His wrath on sinners temporarily, by letting them live and enjoy earthly life (see note on 1Ti_4:10). In that sense, Christ has provided a brief, temporal propitiation for the whole world. But He actually satisfied fully the wrath of God eternally only for the elect who believe. Christ's death in itself had unlimited and infinite value because He is Holy God. Thus, His sacrifice was sufficient to pay the penalty for all the sins of all whom God brings to faith. But the actual satisfaction and atonement was made only for those who believe (cf. Joh_10:11, Joh_10:15; Joh_17:9, Joh_17:20; Act_20:28; Rom_8:32, Rom_8:37; Eph_5:25). The pardon for sin is offered to the whole world, but received only by those who believe (cf. 1Jn_4:9, 1Jn_4:14; Joh_5:24). There is no other way to be reconciled to God.

The pardon for sin is offered to the whole world, but received only by those who believe (cf. 1Jn_4:9, 1Jn_4:14; Joh_5:24). There is no other way to be reconciled to God.

100% Truth


The Atonement of the blood of Christ covers every sin committed by man except one, which is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

The Atonement is for everyone but not everyone desires God in order to have their sins washed away(atoned).

God searches the hearts to give to every man according to his ways.

 

[JohnDB]

Being born again is something we are called to pursue but it's something that happens to us, not something that we can do for ourselves, right?

Anyway, I believe that I am "born again" but I don't KNOW that I am and even if I did, I would NOT exclaim "I'm born again!". It just seems self-serving to me.

Am I wrong to feel that way?

No....
1Peter is the book that refers to this. Not John 3. And it's a reference to the new family if friends you gain by becoming a Christian.

Caste based society vx a Roman and post-modern Westernized ideals based society. We don't have many Caste based societies anymore.

(John 3 is "born from above" meaning a Caste of individuals who had very specific prophesies concerning them)

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

You just nailed it with 1 Peter 1:23

Abraham, Moses, David and the OT prophets were all born-again by the WORD of GOD.

SAME for us Today

This is why the Scripture says "Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart" - Hebrews 3:14-15

This is why JESUS says: "these words I speak to you, they are Spirit and they are Life" - John 6:62

I do not think that is true.

No one was truly born again untill Jesus went to Heaven in fact ! That's when the worthy Jews of Moses saw the Light !
With Moses And Abraham etc they were worthy of the Spirit, tho they did not know God in fact ! but Moses said of the One that was to come ! this is who they were seeking !

The other so called Jews were only religious ! that's why they failed time and time again in fact !

The truly born again do not fail, because they know Christ Jesus and he is within us as we are in him ! The Jews never had that Keys ! untill Jesus went to Heaven !
For no one comes to the Father but throught his only begotten Son ! their is only one way in fact ! but them Worthy Jews with the Spirit were the ones who Jesus went to take them to Heaven with him, because they were worthy of their duty, only them who were worthy Jews in fact ! Israel servants of God ! for they serve no other in fact !

Look see their is a Path ! that is the true Path ! One has to get on board ! for that is for the good of all on earth ! as that is what leads to the Kingdom of God !
The other Path's only lead one astray ! They are going to Hell, seriously ! for they are an abomination to the Lord in fact ! for they are against him in fact ! their works prove it is so ! and such as they rage up as they did against Jesus when he was walking on the earth and not to mention they rage up against the Holy Spirit that is Christ Jesus in fact !
I see such all the time displayed even with so called Christians in fact, who are only religious dupes who are only running about chasing their own tail, just like the Jewish fools did back in the days.

In ACTS we can see Stephen pointing out the facts about the history of the Jews ! for they were on the wrong path in fact ! and who killed Stephen ? and why ! because they were to gutless to listin to the truth regarding God in fact ! they were on a mans religious works program !

 

[Triumph1300]

“Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness” (Romans 4:3).

That means the Old Testament people's way of salvation was by faith in God.

 

[Triumph1300]

Anyway, I believe that I am "born again" but I don't KNOW that I am and even if I did, I would NOT exclaim "I'm born again!". It just seems self-serving to me.

Well, I know exactly the time, date and year that I was "born again".
Nothing self serving about that as far as I am concerned.

 

[David in NJ]

I do not think that is true.

No one was truly born again untill Jesus went to Heaven in fact ! That's when the worthy Jews of Moses saw the Light !
With Moses And Abraham etc they were worthy of the Spirit, tho they did not know God in fact ! but Moses said of the One that was to come ! this is who they were seeking !

The other so called Jews were only religious ! that's why they failed time and time again in fact !

The truly born again do not fail, because they know Christ Jesus and he is within us as we are in him ! The Jews never had that Keys ! untill Jesus went to Heaven !
For no one comes to the Father but throught his only begotten Son ! their is only one way in fact ! but them Worthy Jews with the Spirit were the ones who Jesus went to take them to Heaven with him, because they were worthy of their duty, only them who were worthy Jews in fact ! Israel servants of God ! for they serve no other in fact !

Look see their is a Path ! that is the true Path ! One has to get on board ! for that is for the good of all on earth ! as that is what leads to the Kingdom of God !
The other Path's only lead one astray ! They are going to Hell, seriously ! for they are an abomination to the Lord in fact ! for they are against him in fact ! their works prove it is so ! and such as they rage up as they did against Jesus when he was walking on the earth and not to mention they rage up against the Holy Spirit that is Christ Jesus in fact !
I see such all the time displayed even with so called Christians in fact, who are only religious dupes who are only running about chasing their own tail, just like the Jewish fools did back in the days.

In ACTS we can see Stephen pointing out the facts about the history of the Jews ! for they were on the wrong path in fact ! and who killed Stephen ? and why ! because they were to gutless to listin to the truth regarding God in fact ! they were on a mans religious works program !

GOOD MORNING BROTHER, (BIG CAPS because i am SHOUTING in JOY to YOU)

The necessity of being born-again was established by God beginning in Genesis.

i am busy this morning and will share later.

Someone is coming to possibly buy my Tundra and i am undecided if i should sell it or not - lift up a request of which way i should go on this trivial, yet important decision. - ty

MUCH MORE important is Prayer for my youngest son Daniel(18), who is deaf, and has been experiencing serious health concerns.
Kidney pain at times
Heart pain at times
Loss of weight

Went to doctors who are ???? clueless

i keep saying Lymes an dthey said they checked for it and it did not show up HOWEVER their are new strains and i do not believe they are checking ALL the strains of Lymes.

 

[Skovand]

I don’t think it’s prideful or arrogant personally. There are forms of Christianity that teaches a faith that is almost like “‘we can’t ever know for certain, we may die and go to hell, don’t boast of the positivity you bring into the world, you’re unworthy, and may still go to hell” and it’s just toxic. It’s this “walk on eggshells” around god and denying yourself to them means not denying the hatred in your, but denying the uniqueness. I’ve seen someone in here before talking about not owning pets because God is enough and they use to rely on pets to much for comfort and so they got rid of them and being ever own a pet again and god is enough and they are just stupid. That’s stupid unloving faith they have where denying yourself means being apathetic towards everyone. People will be like….. need to wash your hands, put on new clothes before handling the Bible and do it alone to be with god. Don’t even let a cat sit in your lap…. Meanwhile, my Bible have leaves as bookmarks in it, wrote down mushroom fruiting times in it, with pages smudged with pollen, juice and dirt from reading it while hiking or camping.

If you can’t say…. I know god loves me and I know I love god and I know I’m saved and I know I’m a good person…. If you feel like you can’t say those things…. Then maybe it’s the version of god you hold. A prickish arrogant being who’s just looking for a reason to burn you. Silly god to worship. Much rather worship the god that I know still loves me and is saving me even when I’m angry and blaming him and cussing him out.