ONCE….ONCE….(OSAS)….ONCE!!!

[Taken]

1 Tim 4:1 people depart from the faith, so as you say one cannot depart from what they were not a part of.

Hence one can be of the faith and depart from it.

Yes. They have Fallen away from Faith.
That does not mean they were SAVED and became unsaved.

1 Tim 4:1
"some shall depart from the faith," one cannot depart from what they never really had

Gal 5:4 "Ye are severed from Christ" one cannot be severed from what they were never really a part of

James 5:19
"Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;" one cannot err from what they never really had,

Heb 6:6
"and then have fallen away,"

You are mixing…
Faith “Given” a man for “hearing Gods Word”…
Whereby the man STOPS hearing, and STOPS “receiving MORE” FAITH.
(The measure of FAITH he received doesn’t disappear…)

AND

2 Pet 1:10
"Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"

A man CHOOSING to believe…AND “calling” AND “electing”….
Testifying of his BELIEF…..TO: ??

WHO (according to Gods Order and Way) Does a man CALL and CONFESS his ELECTION TO: ??
Isn’t the answer … the Lord Jesus?

one cannot fall from what he never attained.

If a man heard Gods Word…he was “given” a measure of FAITH.

A man CAN fall away FROM faith and receive no more.

What does that have to do with a man CALLING, ELECTING, and BEING SAVED ONCE and FOREVER?

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Taken,

If you decided to become unbelieving and once was saved from the wrath to come. When you walked away you are subjected back to dying when Gods wrath came upon the earth (when looking at the days of the bride of Christ who were to be rescued from the wrath of God that materially play out when Israel was destroyed.)

While you can’t lose sin being paid for you. You can walk away from Yahavah by becoming unbelieving, and therefore in today’s terms you are forfeiting the ability to be with Yahavah in the next life and be outside away from himself…

That’s the breakdown I see when it comes to revelation. There is separation. Just because a person chooses to believe then decide that working with God is not for them; it may be harder for them to come back; but Gods calling them in order to soften their heart…

I believe even the bride in that day was under some harsh regulations and however they were some with in the time of the wrath as it came that decide to not turn to God but curse God instead.

There also is the belief that no one can lose their salvation or deliverance once they obtain it; but is that true? Can you not walk away from him? Does he force you to stay? Is God a God of force?

Some people believe it’s impossible to lose because they are elected… even the elected had the choice to move away from God… just as angels who left their prior position in heaven…

The boiling point comes down to is God forcing people to believe upon him or are people making choices.

 

[Taken]

"Natural spirit" is a contradiction of realities...if you don't realize that...you have no basis for Truth.

Redd....:)

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A natural man is human man that is “procreated” from the seed of a human man that has fertilized the egg of female human. The “body of” such fertilized egg is “formed” (made) by God.

A natural man has a natural spirit, called the spirit of man. It is the man’s TRUTH in his Heart….(regardless of what his MIND is consistently believing, rejecting, believing something opposite, plotting devious schemes, knows he is lying, etc.)
A mans natural spirit (TRUTH ) will die with his natural body.
A mans natural spirit (Truth in his Heart) can be KEPT Secret by the man….that ONLY the man and God KNOWS that mans TRUE belief.

It is WITH a mans Natural spirit (Truth)… a man calls on the Lord to confess his true Heartful belief….(not his MIND)…

It is a man Natural spirit….that becomes “BORN AGAIN” of the Seed of God…that the mans spirit becomes a “spiritual spirit, born of Gods Seed”.

God IS a Spirit and God HAS Spirits that (is the one same Spirit, but does particular things.)
It is Gods “SPIRIT of TRUTH”…that dwells IN a mans “born again spirit”….feeding that mans new “spiritual spirit”, Gods TRUTH.

1 Cor 1:
[11] For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

John 16:
[13] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


If you have NOT a natural spirit….
What “exactly” do you think the “SEED of God”….the “Spirit of God” is….
Making “BORN….AGAIN” in a man?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Yes. They have Fallen away from Faith.
That does not mean they were SAVED and became unsaved.

Those that are lost (not saved) cannot fall for they are already fallen.
The idea of being in the faith and fallen from refers to those that were in a saved state who fell to a lost state.

1 Tim 1:2; 1 Cor 16:13; 2 Cor 13:5; Col 1:23; Acts 16:5 refer to being"in the faith" which refers to a saved state which one saved can fall from. Again, those not saved cannot fall from being in the faith for they never were in the faith. Logically I cannot from a tree if I was never in that tree.

If OSAS were true, it renders the words fall and apostasy as being false even though the Bible says Christians can fall, can become apostates.

You are mixing…
Faith “Given” a man for “hearing Gods Word”…
Whereby the man STOPS hearing, and STOPS “receiving MORE” FAITH.
(The measure of FAITH he received doesn’t disappear…)

AND



A man CHOOSING to believe…AND “calling” AND “electing”….
Testifying of his BELIEF…..TO: ??

WHO (according to Gods Order and Way) Does a man CALL and CONFESS his ELECTION TO: ??
Isn’t the answer … the Lord Jesus?

2 Pet 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Peter is writing to Christians, those who had been "purged from his old sins" v9 (a saved person) who make up the election (saved) which the unsaved have not been purged from their sins and are not of the called or election.

Hence 'fall' cannot refer to those not saved for again the unsaved are already fallen. The Christian is to give diligence and to make sure to not fall from that saved state.

‘Making God’s calling and selection of you “sure” (certain), is done by doing verses 5-7. Here is a thorough and decisive refutation of the doctrine of the impossibility of apostasy, and also the doctrine of predestination. It is impossible to make secure that which has never been in doubt.’ (Woods p. 154)" Dunagan's Commentary

"for as long as you do these things" shows free will in either choosing to do these things and remain saved or choose not to do these things and "fall".

"ye shall never fall:" the unsaved cannot fall hence Peter is addressing those that are saved, who have been purged from their old sin, who are of the election and who can fall to a lost state choosing not to do these things.

Heb 12:15
giving diligence lest there be any falling short of the grace of God.
If falling were impossible, no need to give diligence to what is impossible

If a man heard Gods Word…he was “given” a measure of FAITH.

A man CAN fall away FROM faith and receive no more.

What does that have to do with a man CALLING, ELECTING, and BEING SAVED ONCE and FOREVER?

Rom 10:17 faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God. Hence faith is NOT something God gives randomly, unconditionally to certain men and withholds from other men. Faith is something each person chooses to have or not have upon hearing the word of God. Since men choose to have faith, they can also choose to cast off faith, 1 Tim 5:12

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

SIN….”IS” non belief “IN” God and the one God Sent.

BELIEF…”IS” a man BELIEVING from his “natural spirit”, WHICH “IS” a mans “natural truth in his Heart”.

A man calling on the Lord Jesus (Gods intercessor) AND CONFESSING to Him…
The mans TRUE Heartful (natural spirits’ belief) IN God and the One God Sent….
“IS” that man FREELY, WILLINGLY, exercising his own FREEWILL to ACCEPT Gods OFFERING….TO BE MADE “WHOLE”….

* He WHO IS ALL KNOWING…verifies the Confession BE True.
* He WHO IS ALMIGHtY;
* FORGIVES….for having HAD not believed
* ACCEPTS the BODY…DEAD, crucified with Jesus.
* RESTORES the SOUL (saved unto forever LIFE).
* QUICKENS the natural spirit…Giving Gods SEED to “rebirth” the mans spirit, that IT SHALL LIVE FOREVER.

The “PROCESS” IS ONCE….

ONE Time…a man calls on the Lord to CONFESS his hearful belief.

ONE Time….a man REPENTS for have HAD not Believed.

ONE time Jesus willingly gave “HIS” body unto DEATH.
ONE time a man willingly gives “his” body unto Death.

ONE Time…the man is FORGIVEN for having HAD NOT believed.

ONE Time…the mans SOUL is “restored” (saved).

ONE TIME…the SEED of God enters the mans NATURAL SPIRIT and RE-BIRTHS the man spirit VIA the SEED OF GOD.

ONE TIME…:
The WORD of God,
The SEED of God,
The POWER of God,
ENTERS that mans born again spirit and KEEPS and FEEDS that man….FOREVER…

Do YOU NOT KNOW…
The WORD of God…IS Jesus, IS Truth, Life, IS Spirit, IS the Son of God?
The SEED of God…IS Christ, IS Spirit?
The POWER of God…IS Christ, IS Spirit?
The WISDOM of God..IS Christ, IS Spirit?

REALLY? Some of you BELIEVE…”receiving and maintaining and keeping…..”
The Lord Gods WORKS IN a human man, of Gods GIFT OF SALVATION… IS DEPENDENT on the “whims, power, carnal thoughts and works of a human man”?

So when Scripture says….Greater IS He that is “IN” you, than he that is in the world…
(I John 4:4)

IS NOT talking about the SPIRIT of God…Keeping ALL His Works IN A man…(the mans body, the mans soul, the mans spirit)…
FREE FROM SIN?

FREE FROM SIN “INDEED”…is another Scripture to NOT consider?
(John 8:36)

How about…WHOSOEVER IS born of God…
CAN NOT SIN…?

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Preaching THE Crucified body’s, THE Saved souls, THE Born Again spirits….CAN SIN…
(Ie…CAN EVER AGAIN…NOT believe IN God)…“IS” Patently FALSE….

NEVER….DOES Scripture teach a dead body, a saved soul, a quickened spirit….BECOMES “Restored BACK”…..TO its original OLD ALIVE UNBELIEVING CREATURE….

Speaking of persons in general, mindful beliefs, Christians, this or that denomination, IS a distraction WHEN Scripture is speaking expressly of CONFESSION of HEARTFUL BELIEF for a man to BECOME MADE “Converted” ONCE and Forever by the Power of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

The BIble does not teach that salvation is a one time thing. The present tense of the verb believeth as in Jn 3:16 shows and action that is currently happening and continues to happen. Hence one cannot believe one time for a moment then quit believing and still be saved.

The present tense is another death blow to OSAS. Charles Stanley, a proponent of OSAS, struggled with the present tense and had no answer for it:

"Charles Stanley is not unaware of the weakness of his argument.He raises this question: “If our salvation is gained through believing in Christ, doesn’t it make sense that salvation would be lost if we quit believing?” (p. 73).

He concedes that such arguments sound “convincing,” but he believes he has a solution to the problem, and he spends several chapters in his book struggling with it.

As suggested in our discussion of John 3:18 (above), the promise of security is conditioned upon our sustained belief. The present tense form pisteuo (believe) is found several times in John’s Gospel within this type of context (cf. 3:14-16,18; 5:24; 6:29; 6:40).

Now what is the significance of the present tense in Greek? Dana & Mantey (two Baptist scholars) note that the “principle tense” for representing “action as continuous” is the present tense (A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament, New York: Macmillan, 1968, p. 178). A.T. Robertson, the greatest Baptist grammarian ever, wrote: “the present tense expresses incompleted action” (A Short Grammar of the Greek New Testament, New York: Hodder & Stoughton, 1908, p. 140).

Quotations of this nature could be multiplied many times over.

I introduce this matter to emphasize that it is incredible that Mr. Stanley, in attempting to avoid the force of the present tense, should say: “The normal use of the present tense does not denote continuous, uninterrupted action” (p. 85).

The gentleman introduces John 4:13 in attempting to sustain his point. Jesus said, “Everyone who drinks [present tense] of this water [from Jacob’s well] shall thirst again.” He declares that it is ridiculous to suggest that those folks were “continuously drinking from Jacob’s well” (p. 86).

He will have to dispute the matter with one of his own spiritual kinsmen — a top Baptist scholar whose scholarship considerably eclipsed that of the Atlanta “Pastor.” Professor Kenneth Wuest translated John 4:13 in this way:

“Whosoever keeps on drinking of this water shall thirst again” (his emp.). He then comments: “Continual drinking at the wells of the world never quenches the soul’s thirst for heart satisfaction” (The Practical Use of the Greek New Testament, Chicago: Moody Press, 1946, p. 43).

Of course the people of Sychar were not drinking in an “uninterrupted” fashion; they were, however, drinking on a sustained basis. And that is what we must do. In spite of temporary lapses of faith due to weakness, we must progressively persevere — if we expect to enjoy eternal life. The tenses make this certain.

What is the point of all this? Mr. Stanley is trying to prove that one does not have to keep on believing in order to make his salvation secure.He advocates the notion that a Christian can completely abandon his faith in God and Christ, become a rank atheist, and the Lord will save him anyhow. Hear him:

“Even those who walk away from the faith have not the slightest chance of slipping from His hand” (p. 74). Is this not an incredible statement?

What a tragic error this is.Contrast it with the testimony of an inspired writer.

“Take heed, brothers, lest haply there shall be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God: but exhort one another day by day, so long as it is called To-day; lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin: for we are become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence firm unto the end: while it is said, To-day if you shall hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. For who, when they heard, did provoke? No, did not all they that came out of Egypt by Moses? And with whom was he displeased forty years? Was it not with them that sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom he swore that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that were disobedient? And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief” (Hebrews 3:12-19; emp. added).

The point being made is this. If the Christian does not remain faithful, he will not enter into the eternal rest that God has prepared for his people (cf. 4:1ff). The doctrine of the “impossibility of apostasy” is a human dogma that has no support in Holy Scripture."

Can a Christian Ever Be Lost?

Dr. Charles Stanley (1932-2023) was a prominent pastor of the First Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia. He founded In Touch Ministries, which broadcasts his sermons on radio and television, and he authored many books.

christiancourier.com

Stanley also falsely proclaimed the Christian can lose his faith and yet still be saved.
“Even those who walk away from the faith have not the slightest chance of slipping from His hand” (Eternal Security — Can You Be Sure?, Nashville: Oliver Nelson, 1990, p. 74)

1) Stanley admits the Christian by free will choice can walk away from the faith.
2) the fact Stanley claims men can be saved faithless is contrary, antagonistic to everything the NT gospel teaches.

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John makes it clear Christians do sin or lie if they say they have not sinned. 1 Jn 1:7-10

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

doth not sin is present tense showing one who becomes a Christian cannot CONTINUE in sinning. If one were an adultery but becomes a Christian he cannot continue in that sin of adultery and still be saved.

"Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you:"
THose Corinthians could not continue in those sins there were engaged In before becoming Christians..such WERE some of you but this does not mean it was impossible for them to sin for with each chapter in 1 Cor Paul condemns those Christians in Corinth for various sins they were presently engaged in.

"cannot" does not mean "impossible" The law says one cannot drive over 55 mph on certain roads but that does mean it is impossible to drive over 55 for people get tickets all the time for driving over 55.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

A Christian is a follower of Jesus’ teachings.
Does following automatically mean believing?
No.

Are there men who ATTEND Christian Churches WHO DO NOT BELIEVE?
Yes

Do men call all people who ATTEND a Christian Church … A Christian?
Typically Yes.

Can a man who has ATTENDED a Christian Church…stop Attending…Yes…Attend a MOSQUE or a SYNAGOGUE and Pledge to Convert to either of those religions?
Yes

Calling oneself by the TERM Christian IS NOT what God requires to become MADE CONVERTED and WHOLE by the Power of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

if one does not believe, he is not saved and is not a follower of Jesus.
So one never saved is never saved but this does not prove it is impossible for who does believe and saved to quit believing.


Jn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
--Jesus made being a sheep of His 100% CONDITIONAL upon hearing and following Him
--both verbs hear and follow are present tense denoting an ongoing, sustained action. Therefore one cannot hear and follow for a moment then quit and yet still be a sheep of Christ
--one starts hearing and following of their own choice and one can stop hearing and following by using that same volition.

 

[Taken]

Those that are lost (not saved) cannot fall for they are already fallen.

Men do NOT fall from Salvation.

The UN-saved can and Do fall from Faith.

That IS possible….Because They Have Not become MADE SAVED.

The idea of being in the faith and fallen from refers to those that were in a saved state who fell to a lost state.

No. The Lost was a reference regarding the Tribesmen of ISRAEL who after generations became Lost to the history and teaching of their forefather WHO believed IN God and His Word, Confessed their Belief and Agreed To continue their Belief and Teach their own subsequent offsprings…and Failed…thus their offspring were Lost to Having Gods Truth.

Matt 15:
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


And Jesus in turn sent His Chosen To the tribesmen of ISRAEL.
Matt 10:
[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

If you continue Learning Gods Word, You should discover it was SAUL/Paul tasked and accepting of Teaching Jews, GENTILES and kings of the world.

You are not prepared to have a spiritual conversation regarding Spiritual things.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Hello @Ernest T. Bass,

Oh, I am someone who believes all of the sin has been taken care of. And all people are forgiven of their sins because of Yeshua. What they do with that information is totally on them at this point once they understand that. I tell people today, that their sins are forgiven. Just as Jesus told the man who was paralyzed that his sins were forgiven, take your mat and walk because telling this to people is easy. Though you may differ with me, I believe the payment of sin was on the Lord Yeshua. He did that for the world, and on behalf of his Father for it was his Fathers will he be the sacrifice for sin once and for all time. Jesus is not repeatedly dying over and over and over. The only unforgivable sin is simply, denying the holy spirit. I've talked to people who do so deny that holy spirit, they don't look towards the things of God, however they look towards the things of the flesh instead. There is the condition of simply, being faithful, and seeking out God, and he rewards those who do so, but the sin of people have been taken care of; otherwise Yeshua, didn't pay for sin and he is continuously dying over and over and over again.

Faith comes first, then a change of mind comes after. So perhaps we are on the same wave length just different understanding. For the Jews it was repentance and faith towards God.

No sin committed by anyone Christian or not, is forgiven unconditionally apart from repentance.

Acts 2:38 the alien sinner, the one who has always been alienated from God and never saved, must repent in order to have remission of sins.

Simon, Acts 8 those already who are Christians that sin must repent when they sin else be lost. 1 Jn 1:7 as long as the Christian CONTINUES to walk in the light the blood of Christ CONTINUES to wash away all sins. Note the washing away of all sins the Christians commits is CONDITIONAL upon the Christian continuing to walk in the light and walking in the light requires the Christian to repent of sins. Lk 13:3 repent or perish.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Men do NOT fall from Salvation.

The UN-saved can and Do fall from Faith.

That IS possible….Because They Have Not become MADE SAVED.



No. The Lost was a reference regarding the Tribesmen of ISRAEL who after generations became Lost to the history and teaching of their forefather WHO believed IN God and His Word, Confessed their Belief and Agreed To continue their Belief and Teach their own subsequent offsprings…and Failed…thus their offspring were Lost to Having Gods Truth.

Matt 15:
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


And Jesus in turn sent His Chosen To the tribesmen of ISRAEL.

Matt 10:

[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

If you continue Learning Gods Word, You should discover it was SAUL/Paul tasked and accepting of Teaching Jews, GENTILES and king of the world.

You are not prepared to have a spiritual conversation regarding Spiritual things.

Glory to God,
Taken

Paul was writing to Christians in Corinth warning them about falling, 1 Cor 10. Again the words fall and apostasy mean to move from position to another, to move away from a previous standing, Hence logically falling means to fall from a previous saved standing to a lost.

Falling cannot apply to those lost for they are already fallen. Falling applies to those who are already in a saved position/standing.

There is nothing in Matt 15 that remotely teaches OSAS. OSAS turns the grace of God into laciviousness (Jude 1) and had its orgins in the garden of Eden with Satan when he said thou shalt not surely die when God said thous shalt surely die.

 

[Taken]

if one does not believe, he is not saved and is not a follower of Jesus.
So one never saved is never saved but this does not prove it is impossible for who does believe and saved to quit believing.

You have raised that point and been told and Scripturally shown…you repaeating your point reveals you are lacking the Spiritual understanding thereof.

Men can believe and stop believing.
Converted men Can Never Stop Believing.

Glory to God,
Taken


Jn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
--Jesus made being a sheep of His 100% CONDITIONAL upon hearing and following Him
--both verbs hear and follow are present tense denoting an ongoing, sustained action. Therefore one cannot hear and follow for a moment then quit and yet still be a sheep of Christ
--one starts hearing and following of their own choice and one can stop hearing and following by using that same volition.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Ernest T. Bass,

Thank you for your interest and comments. My eschatology is probably way different than yourself. That’s alright, we believe differently concerning these things. There is only one sin I believe that is unforgivable but all other sins have been taken care of; by the victory of Jesus Christ. All the best to you and yours.

 

[Taken]

Paul was writing to Christians in Corinth warning them about falling, 1 Cor 10. Again the words fall and apostasy mean to move from position to another, to move away from a previous standing, Hence logically falling means to fall from a previous saved standing to a lost.

Falling cannot apply to those lost for they are already fallen. Falling applies to those who are already in a saved position/standing.

There is nothing in Matt 15 that remotely teaches OSAS. OSAS turns the grace of God into laciviousness (Jude 1) and had its orgins in the garden of Eden with Satan when he said thou shalt not surely die when God said thous shalt surely die.

Paul was A Teacher TO;
Jews, Gentiles, kings….

Jew and Gentiles were in mixed crowds…
It was the Individuals IN the crowds….who are supposed TO Know their OWN. Race….Jew or Gentile….and grasp when Paul was speaking a point directed TO a Jew or TO a Gentile.

Do you NOT KNOW….That is the Same Method Upstanding Gentile Clerics Preach A Sermon? They speak of males, females, Jews, Gentiles, young, old, saved, unsaved…on and on…..

And The Individuals IN the congregation listening audience….absolutely ARE suppose to be wise enough to CHERRYPICK what does and does Not apply to Them!!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Dan Clarkston]

If Gods plan for the world to be exposed to His Truths according to His Order and Way is not satisfactory to you, you can take that complaint up with God.

Doesn't mean that OSAS doctrine isn't false doctrine... cause it is!

Do tell HOW a “BODILY DEAD MAN”….returns to LIFE…so he can LOSE his SALVATION….??

Cherry pickers reject the whole counsel of God in favor for a few happy verses.... as they throw the rest of what God says in the trash at their own peril.

Warnings are not new to that which does and does not apply to whom.

OSAS false doctrine is heresy so it applies to those cherry pickers who adhere to OSAS false doctrine

You might want to REPENT of your heresy sooner rather than later since these are your last days!

However your faulty accusations against what you do not know or understand will only be accountable unto you.

Uh huh, unless you REPENT of your heresy the future is not going to be what you expect!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Absolutely people can believe IN God, IN Jesus, IN Anything…and QUIT “BELIEVING”…in whatever.
Nothing new, As I have said multiple times.

... and yet, you continue believing and supporting the false doctrines of OSAS

@Ernest T. Bass

Will you give your definition of SIN?

He did... go read what Peter told Simon after Simon was found to have had darkness in his heart!

The Apostle Peter... being led by the Holy Ghost... did NOT affirm the heresy of OSAS.

Twisting Scripture? Example?

Reading your posts... are examples of scripture twisting.

I point out what Gods TRUTH DOES OFFER, what an individual CAN TAKE, HAVE, POSSESS forever, FOR the benefit of “ANY” member of this forum to hear, learn, WHAT God Offers and HOW an individual can RECEIVE Gods Offering ONCE and “THAT” received GIFT OF SALVATION BE “KEPT” unto them “FOREVER”, exclusively by the POWER of God (not kept in and of themselves!)

Meaning... like your boy gnarly Charlie Stanley falsely taught... one can live in sin after getting saved and it's all good because the OSAS cult believes that God CAN be mocked and we do NOT reap what we sow and if one sows to the flesh they do NOT reap corruption.

This is exactly the same deception satan used on Adam and Eve... God said they would die if they ate of that tree, and the author and father of OSAS heresy comes along and tells them "surely you won't die"

Modern day OSAS heresy is the continuation of satan's ministry of deception.

You'll learn this one day, hopefully before it's too late for you.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

The Apostle Paul definitely did not get the gnostic memo telling him he should be teaching the false doctrines of OSAS

 

[Taken]

Doesn't mean that OSAS doctrine isn't false doctrine... cause it is!




Cherry pickers reject the whole counsel of God in favor for a few happy verses.... as they throw the rest of what God says in the trash at their own peril.




OSAS false doctrine is heresy so it applies to those cherry pickers who adhere to OSAS false doctrine

You might want to REPENT of your heresy sooner rather than later since these are your last days!





Uh huh, unless you REPENT of your heresy the future is not going to be what you expect! View attachment 53992

You going around in circles, barking out accusations, epitomizes a limb withering in darkness.

How many TIMES do you claim the Lord God Forgives a mans Unbelief before the mans unbelief is forgiven?

How many TIMES do you claim it takes for the Lord God to SAVE a mans soul before the mans soul IS Saved?

How many TIMES do you claim it takes for the Lord God to QUICKEN a mans spirit before the mans spirit is Quickened?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

He did... go read what Peter told Simon after Simon was found to have had darkness in his heart!

The question was…
@Ernest T. Bass
Will you give your definition of SIN?

And you reply …go read what Peter said….
LOL

The Apostle Peter... being led by the Holy Ghost... did NOT affirm the heresy of OSAS.

Matt 10:
[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

If you are a Gentile maybe you should pay attention to WHOM The Lord God Set Apart (Sanctified)…and FOR WHOM.

Acts:9:
[15] But the Lord said unto him, (Amani) Go thy way: for he (Saul /Paul) is a chosen vessel unto me, (Lord Jesus) to bear my (Jesus) name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Reading your posts... are examples of scripture twisting.

Yet it is YOU following after He whom Jesus Expressly Sent to The JEWS…. who were under the Mosaic Law….

And YOU who can not discern (CHERRYPICK) what or why the teaching to Jews STILL under the Law was different than teaching Gentiles not under the Law….

Meaning... like your boy gnarly Charlie Stanley falsely taught...

Making up Lies makes your standing faulty.

one can live in sin after getting saved and it's all good because the OSAS cult believes that God CAN be mocked and we do NOT reap what we sow and if one sows to the flesh they do NOT reap corruption.

Making up Ridiculous nonsense makes you a clown, which has no place in a spiritual event of the Lords works IN a man.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Quotes from OSASer Charles Stanley:
"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy" Stanley, Eternal Security, 93.
"..believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation" Stanley, Eternal Security, 94.

Other OSASers claim:
"According to Scripture, people who profess to know Christ at one time but later deny Him were never really saved to begin with."
from a John MacArthur website:

Is it possible for redeemed people to lose their salvation?

The Bible says, 'No!' One who is saved 'has everlasting life, and ... is passed from death unto life' (John 5:24). Eternal life by definition cannot be temporary. It is the present possession of all

www.gty.org

Note Stanley says of the person who loses his faith that he was really saved and that his "salvation is not in jeopardy" and he will "retain his salvation" while MacArthur's website says losing his faith shows he was "never really saved to begin with".


According to Stanley a person can have a real genuine belief/faith and be saved but that saved person can lose or abandon that real, genuine belief/faith and still be saved anyway .....which contradicts other OSASers who claim if a person loses their belief/faith then that is proof they "never really did believe" therefore was "never really saved to begin with" for a true believer perseveres..... which contradicts OSASers like Stanley.

This presents a mutually exclusive, logical contradiction since a person cannot be at the same time "saved anyway" and "never really saved".

Bible truth does not contradict itself, false teachings do while contradicting Bible truth.

 

[Behold]

which is the work of the Holy Spirit indwelling the spirit of man...to form, teach and love the soul into Christ’s likeness.

A Christian.. to become one....is to become "Born again Spiritually".........and that is instantly, as that is the "new birth" "in Christ"...."having BECOME>.. a NEW CREATION">.

Jesus explains it to you like this... @Reddsta


A.) "you must be... born again".........

 

[Reddsta]

A Christian.. to become one....is to become "Born again Spiritually".........and that is instantly, as that is the "new birth" "in Christ"...."having BECOME>.. a NEW CREATION">.

Jesus explains it to you like this... @Reddsta


A.) "you must be... born again".........

If you read through my posts you would have seen that I believe that when the Holy Spirit indwells the spirit of a man...the man is "born again and saved"...I actually explained what it means to be saved.

Ok so here is what I said...with emphasis...first you called what I said here "legalism."

Read it again...here is what I said..."That speaks of the “saving of the soul”…which is the work of the Holy Spirit indwelling the spirit of man...to form, teach and love the soul into Christ’s likeness. This is the “conversion” process and it takes a lifetime…however the spirit is saved…remember?"

There is a difference between being "born again of spirit" and the "forming of ones soul in the likeness of Christ." If you are not aware of that...you will have to learn it on your own...or not.

This is not a picture of self effort delivering one to salvation...but rather a personal relationship with the Lord Himself [Holy Spirit] as He loves us to maturity...the soul being conformed to His image.

Redd...:)

 

[Taken]

This is a little messy Taken…sorry…communicating via the forums can be challenging...let’s deconstruct this a bit.

The concept of “saving the soul” is very real…so I can agree with you on that point.

Working from what I posted above…the Holy Spirit does not indwell the souls of men…He dwells in…testifies…manifests His presence...to the man’s spirit… as the apostle Paul wrote…which spirit is an endowment from God…as king Solomon wrote.

Once the Holy Spirit and power thereof…has “Taken” [pun intended] up His residence in ones spirit…He can then begin the process of “saving the soul”…via the process of a continual forming into Christ likeness.

This is the process of the soul growing and maturing from the place of a “newly Born Again spiritual infant” through the process of growing up into a mature “son of God.” That is what Paul meant when he wrote…“For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.”

Paul referenced this “growth in Christ”…in Galatians 4 when he wrote to them…addressing their rebellion I guess you could call it. In verse 11 he wrote…“I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.” Which he will further clarify in verse 19 where he states…“My children, with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you.“

That speaks of the “saving of the soul”…which is the work of the Holy Spirit indwelling the spirit of man...to form, teach and love the soul into Christ’s likeness. This is the “conversion” process and it takes a lifetime…however the spirit is saved…remember?

God saves the spirit of man by indwelling it with His presence…man must be obedient to God’s purpose and calling to the man over his lifetime for the soul to be saved. Now the issue of “Once Saved Always Saved” has a bit more clarity…however there is much more to this.

My question to you…”Taken”…is this…what happens to the souls of the rebellious and disobedient in whom Christ is “not” formed…as Paul suggests?

Redd...:)

Hey there Redd ~

It is Souls that are Saved ( not Spirits ).
The Saving of the Soul is called Restoration.
That means A “Very Good” Soul was sent into a mans natural born body…and over Time as the Body from natural birth did not believe, and for how long that body did not believe, that Very Good soul , Began becoming Not Very Good.


The body being Formed…
Is the Creation.
The body receiving a Very Good Soul…
Is the Making.
God Creates AND Makes.

Have a living Body ….Eyes…Created
Given a living Soul..…Eyes…Made to See.

Ditto: Ears, Nose, Tongue, Mouth, Flesh…
Created mans seed…God Forms Body.
Made Soul…communication / senses …
Made Activated.
The Soul and it’s Life (Gods Breath) belongs to God.

The Creation occurs ONCE.
The Making is A Process…

The Creator is called LORD.
The Maker is called Lord Jesus.
They are called ONE

The Power is call Christ.
The Power is Supreme ALL Might possessive.

Yes men have brains, a Carnal Mind, that can and does continually receive knowledge that is True and False…the man can LOGICALLY weigh the knowledge, believe it and then reject that knowledge…share, discuss with others…a revolving door, so to speak.

The “spirit of man”, is Similar YET Different than the Carnal Mind of man.

Similarly:
The mind has thoughts.
The spirit has thoughts.

The mind can reveal its thoughts or not.
The spirit can reveal its thoughts or not.

Differently:
The minds thoughts are in the Brain.
The spirits thoughts are in the heart.

God has No interest in a mans Carnal mind.
Gods interest IS in a mans Spirits thoughts.

Mans minds thoughts are routinely revealed among men.
Mans spiritual thoughts Can be Kept Secret unto himself….Except…God always knows the thoughts of a mans spirit in his heart.

Mans minds thought can Reveal Truths, Deceptions, Lies.
Mans hearts thoughts Can only Have and only reveal Truths.

* Any man Freely, Willingly, DESIRING…TO RECEIVE A Gift God has Bought and Paid For….Can (According to Gods TERMS ie. (ORDER and WAY)….TAKE His Offered Gift.

The Offering…
Is to Save (Restore) a mans Soul….back to Very Good.
Order and Way?
Repent for having corrupted their soul.
Confess with their WORD, to the Lord God…
From Their (True spirit/Heartful Belief…).
IN God AND the One God Sent…Jesus.

That man willing, Freely, agrees to Lay down his Bodily Life For and Unto God.

The mans (natural Heart) WILL then….
By the Power of God…
Be Circumcised.
Cutting Off the mans OLD natural heart, born of a mans Seed.
Give that man a new Heart…a spiritual heart.
Give that man a new SEED…Gods SEED
Give that man a new Truth…Gods Truth
Gods Truth is Called “the Spirit of Truth”.
Gods Truth IS Jesus.
Gods Word IS Jesus.
Gods Maker IS Jesus.
Gods Power IS Christ.
Gods Wisdom is Christ.
Gods Christ IS Jesus.
That Seed, that Spirit of Truth, (once Given)
….
* That mans Soul IS Saved Forever (meaning it Keeps Gods Life IN IT Forever, by Gods Power)
* That mans Spirit (new Truth,) is MADE Alive Forever (meaning it can Never discard, reject, deny Gods Truth). Kept alive by Gods Power.

THAT man is Prepared … FOR WHAT??

That preparation is a parallel of a Jewish Betrothal AND then a ceremony of Witnesses and Wedlock.

(If you are not familiar with ancient Hebrew marriage…it is worth while to investigate and then recognize the precise parallel of Gods Offering to natural mankind.)


Need any specific Scriptural references to any of my specific statements…? Ask.

God Bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken