How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

[face2face]

He is the Son of God, there was never a “shall be”

That's an odd response RLT as the echo is super clear!

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, Luke 1:32

Is it the future tense which concerns you? Jesus didn't pre-exist, only in the prophetical utterences of those God moved by the HS.

F2F

 

[St. SteVen]

Are you and Rita in a competition of 'THREE- can it BE???'

If we are, she is beating me soundly. - LOL
Actually, I wanted to bring this discussion into a less contentious place.

But it appears that the contention followed us over here. (sigh)

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[Lambano]

What is the purpose of the 'idolatry' scripture towards Jack?

If you've been around here much, you'll know that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 is one Jack's favorite verses. He quotes it a lot.

Isn't it obvious? If Jesus is not God, then venerating him as God makes him into a graven image of God. Last time I checked Exodus and Deuteronomy, that was a no-no. Ask any Jew.

 

[RedFan]

If you've been around here much, you'll know that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 is one Jack's favorite verses. He quotes it a lot.

Isn't it obvious? If Jesus is not God, then venerating him as God makes him into a graven image of God. Last time I checked Exodus and Deuteronomy, that was a no-no. Ask any Jew.

A "graven image?" No human being is "graven" -- and not an "image" in the sense of Exodus 20:4 either. The verse is talking about things made with human hands, not with human genitals.

 

[Lambano]

A "graven image?" No human being is "graven" -- and not an "image" in the sense of Exodus 20:4 either. The verse is talking about things made with human hands, not with human genitals.

You mean in the same sense that looking at a woman with lust your heart isn't the same as committing adultery with her in your heart?

 

[RedFan]

You mean the same way that looking at a woman with lust your heart isn't the same as committing adultery with her in your heart?

Lusting in one's heart isn't a physical activity either. Though I do think God would have disapproved of the Israelites desiring in their hearts to construct a graven image they might worship -- even if they didn't act on that desire.

 

[Lambano]

Lusting in one's heart isn't a physical activity either.

Which does help prevent unplanned pregnancies in your heart or picking up a case of cardial herpes.

See "Mount, comma, Sermon On". Jesus expands the scope and application of the commandments against Adultery and Murder beyond the restrictive literal and physical sense and into the activities of the heart. The same principle would apply to Idolatry.

 

[Lambano]

Like I said, I can argue either side of this issue.

One of my college profs was on the Debate Team when he himself was in college. He said their coach would have them practice arguing an issue against another teammate, then when the key points had been brought out, the coach would say, "All right, let's switch sides. A, you argue B's position, and B, you argue A's position". Good practice. That way you have to really understand where your opponent is coming from.

 

[David in NJ]

If you've been around here much, you'll know that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 is one Jack's favorite verses. He quotes it a lot.

Isn't it obvious? If Jesus is not God, then venerating him as God makes him into a graven image of God. Last time I checked Exodus and Deuteronomy, that was a no-no. Ask any Jew.

If Jesus is not God, then venerating him as God makes him into a graven image of God.

ABSOLUTELY TRUE

Question: In light of Exodus 20:4 - Should we worship the Lord Jesus Christ???

 

[David in NJ]

I just provided one, no?

Would you like another?

Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being (from the dust)”; the last Adam (also dust) became a life-giving spirit. 1 Cor 15:45

Became...

Out of interest David - if Paul was right to call Christ the second Adam - how could he do that? @RLT63

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Good Morning

David says: "Every TRUTH from God has a foundation upon which it is birthed and built upon."

Your answer to this statement is "no"?

 

[Lambano]

Question: In light of Exodus 20:4 - Should we worship the Lord Jesus Christ???

1. Pre-existing from the beginning and being "God" or "a god" and "with God" (John 1:1-2, 15; John 17:5)
2. Pre-existing and having the "form" of God (Philippians 2:6)
3. Having God's "fullness" (Colossians 1:19)
4. Creator of all things (John 1:3, Colossians 1:16)
5. Holding together all things (Colossians 1:17)
6. Having authority over all things (Colossians 1:18)

Did the New Testament writers overstep the boundaries of monotheism when they attributed these things to the Lord Jesus Christ?

 

[David in NJ]

If we are, she is beating me soundly. - LOL
Actually, I wanted to bring this discussion into a less contentious place.

But it appears that the contention followed us over here. (sigh)

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What's life without contentions?

God walked in the midst of it almost daily and the apostles as well.

Are not the contentions an instrument by which we can be built up in the faith, and others can learn from???

 

[David in NJ]

Did the New Testament writers overstep the boundaries of monotheism when they attributed these things to the Lord Jesus Christ?

Well, that is what this topic brings to question.

My answer to your question is a question - Dare anyone claim to be more knowledgeable on the subject then the Apostle John???

Yes or No?

There is at least one member whose answer is 'yes' and he thinks he has more insight then the Apostles.

What say you???

 

[Lambano]

Did the New Testament writers overstep the boundaries of monotheism when they attributed these things to the Lord Jesus Christ?

Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ,
Who are you? What have you sacrificed?
Jesus Christ, Superstar,
Do you think you're what they say you are?
(Lyrics by Tim Rice, music by Andrew Lloyd Weber)

Those are damned good questions.

 

[David in NJ]

A "graven image?" No human being is "graven" -- and not an "image" in the sense of Exodus 20:4 either. The verse is talking about things made with human hands, not with human genitals.

No human genitals were used in the Coming of MESSIAH

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ,
Who are you? What have you sacrificed?
Jesus Christ Superstar,
Do you think you're what they say you are?

So you believe that worship of JESUS is breaking the Commandment concerning 'idols'.

Now, i HATE when people change my words or wrongly assume my words so here is your spotlight to affirm or disavow.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ,
Who are you? What have you sacrificed?
Jesus Christ, Superstar,
Do you think you're what they say you are?

Those are damned good questions.

Fixed for ya - Those are damned for good, questions.......if you come to the wrong answer
But damn GOOD questions if you come to Salvation with the RIGHT answer

 

[Lambano]

No human genitals were used in the Coming of MESSIAH

21 And when eight days had passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb. (Luke 2:21)

Messiah definitely had genitalia.

We still don't know if He had to use the latrine, though.

 

[St. SteVen]

What's life without contentions?

God walked in the midst of it almost daily and the apostles as well.

Are not the contentions an instrument by which we can be built up in the faith, and others can learn from???

I have some topics at over 20k views. But I didn't want to rub it in. Hers may get there at the current trajectory.

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[David in NJ]

21 And when eight days had passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb. (Luke 2:21)

Messiah definitely had genitalia.

i was referencing ONLY His coming into the world = How did the Word become flesh?

By the will of man?