Is it prideful or arrogant to claim to be "born again"?

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Being born again is something we are called to pursue but it's something that happens to us, not something that we can do for ourselves, right?

Anyway, I believe that I am "born again" but I don't KNOW that I am and even if I did, I would NOT exclaim "I'm born again!". It just seems self-serving to me.

Am I wrong to feel that way?
 
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Being born again is something we are called to pursue but it's something that happens to us, not something that we can do for ourselves, right?

Anyway, I believe that I am "born again" but I don't KNOW that I am and even if I did, I would NOT exclaim "I'm born again!". It just seems self-serving to me.

Am I wrong to feel that way?
When we are first Born Again, we know nothing, remember we have just become Born Again...I believe for some it’s a slow process, for me it happened in an instance...mind blowing it was, but guess what I knew NOTHING other than I was Born Again.

From that evening I have just walked in faith and let the Holy Spirit guide me, understanding what it means to be Born Again for me has been a very slow process as everything is spiritual ..we are spirit children.

We are reborn our spirit is reborn..it ain’t no easy road either being a child of God.

It’s not self serving my friend, being Born Again..we serve our master God and bring Honour and Glory to his Name.

At times yes, we serve self as we still have that old man who pops up now and again, who loves to serve self...you just keep looking to the Holy Spirit, he will guide you.

Just my thoughts testimony, belief...we never stop growing in the Spirit, we grow and mature in our spirit as we are spirit children of God.

Hope this has helped you, it’s taken 33yrs to understand who I am in Christ and still I have much ,so very much to learn from the Holy Spirit..we learn in Gods timing, so don’t put any pressure on yourself to learn..he’s with you, he will guide you.

God Bless you friend.
 
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Philippians 3
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Righteousness through Faith in Christ
(Romans 3:21–31)
1Finally, my brothers, rejoice in the Lord. It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you.
2Watch out for those dogs, those workers of evil, those mutilators of the flesh!3For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— 4though I myself could have such confidence.
If anyone else thinks he has grounds for confidence in the flesh, I have more:5circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin; a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; 6as to zeal, persecuting the church; as to righteousness in the law, faultless.
7But whatever was gain to me I count as loss for the sake of Christ. 8More than that, I count all things as loss compared to the surpassing excellence of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ,a the righteousness from God on the basis of faith.
10I want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to Him in His death, 11and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead.
Pressing on toward the Goal
12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize of God’s heavenly calling in Christ Jesus.
15All of us who are mature should embrace this point of view. And if you think differently about some issue, God will reveal this to you as well. 16Nevertheless, we must live up to what we have already attained.
Citizenship in Heaven
17Join one another in following my example, brothers, and carefully observe those who walk according to the pattern we set for you. 18For as I have often told you before, and now say again even with tears: Many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and their glory is in their shame. Their minds are set on earthly things.
20But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body.
 

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When we are first Born Again, we know nothing, remember we have just become Born Again...I believe for some it’s a slow process, for me it happened in an instance...mind blowing it was, but guess what I knew NOTHING other than I was Born Again.

From that evening I have just walked in faith and let the Holy Spirit guide me, understanding what it means to be Born Again for me has been a very slow process as everything is spiritual ..we are spirit children.

We are reborn our spirit is reborn..it ain’t no easy road either being a child of God.

It’s not self serving my friend, being Born Again..we serve our master God and bring Honour and Glory to his Name.

At times yes, we serve self as we still have that old man who pops up now and again, who loves to serve self...you just keep looking to the Holy Spirit, he will guide you.

Just my thoughts testimony, belief...we never stop growing in the Spirit, we grow and mature in our spirit as we are spirit children of God.

Hope this has helped you, it’s taken 33yrs to understand who I am in Christ and still I have much ,so very much to learn from the Holy Spirit..we learn in Gods timing, so don’t put any pressure on yourself to learn..he’s with you, he will guide you.

God Bless you friend.


I love your testimony.
 

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Being born again is something we are called to pursue but it's something that happens to us, not something that we can do for ourselves, right?

Anyway, I believe that I am "born again" but I don't KNOW that I am and even if I did, I would NOT exclaim "I'm born again!". It just seems self-serving to me.

Am I wrong to feel that way?
Just because one says they are born again does not truly mean that they truly are in fact, as I have seen such nonsense displayed as ego driven thing that they use or to give themselves power to push they are peddling is the One ?
So such can be seen as a display ! or just ignorance.
So i do not say such to people, just off the cuff.

Some people may believe they are born again, but in reality they are only religious fanatics and Carnal as they come ! You will know them by their works !
I have a mate up the road that is one like such, claimes he can even kill anyone with no regard and all is good, he says he is going to Heaven regardless what he does once Saved ?
Well No ! that is not correct at all, for that's him, his claim of himself, and such is a rejection of Christ Jesus in fact ! For it is not for us to demand ! but such is not up to Man to claim as such in that way.
Sure we can and are to talk of such is the hope in us ? but not to make demands about such things to just anyone, as that is Carnal boasting.
 
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Being born again is something we are called to pursue but it's something that happens to us, not something that we can do for ourselves, right?

Anyway, I believe that I am "born again" but I don't KNOW that I am and even if I did, I would NOT exclaim "I'm born again!". It just seems self-serving to me.

Am I wrong to feel that way?

Well...no, but it would seem that you in fact are not born again, and therefore your response. I am not judging or criticising, but want to point out that if you are born again, Christ has more than touched you, He has entered into you and you into Him, thus causing you to become a new creation biblically described as the old man dying and the new man being born, or passing from death to life. The result is you are noticeably changed. Has that happened to you?
 
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Being born again is something we are called to pursue but it's something that happens to us, not something that we can do for ourselves, right?

Anyway, I believe that I am "born again" but I don't KNOW that I am and even if I did, I would NOT exclaim "I'm born again!". It just seems self-serving to me.

Am I wrong to feel that way?
If you have turned away from you sins, believe that Jesus died for our sins, was raised on the third day, and obey his commandment to love one another, according to the scriptures, then you are born again.

If you're still lingering in sin, whether you believe in Christ or not, you will not be saved unless you repent and start obeying Jesus' commandments; they're not burdensome (1John 5:3).
 

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Well...no, but it would seem that you in fact are not born again, and therefore your response. I am not judging or criticising, but want to point out that if you are born again, Christ has more than touched you, He has entered into you and you into Him, thus causing you to become a new creation biblically described as the old man dying and the new man being born, or passing from death to life. The result is you are noticeably changed. Has that happened to you?
The thing is, this all takes time to understand, imo, he’s most definitely on the right track, I can see God drawing him to Jesus.

Apparently everyone experiences being reborn differently..

Different levels of faith.

Some are anointed to do his will, do you believe that @ScottA ?

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Jesus Our Advocate
1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He Himself is the atoning sacrificea for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
3By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. 4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep His commandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him: 6Whoever claims to abide in Him must walk as Jesus walked.
A New Commandment
7Beloved, I am not writing to you a new commandment, but an old one, which you have had from the beginning. This commandment is the message you have heard.8Then again, I am also writing to you a new commandment, which is true in Him and also in you. For the darkness is fading and the true light is already shining.
9If anyone claims to be in the light but hates his brother, he is still in the darkness.10Whoever loves his brother remains in the light, and there is no cause of stumbling in him. 11But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness. He does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
12I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven through His name.
13I am writing to you, fathers, because you know Him who is from the beginning.
I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one.b
I have written to you, children, because you know the Father.
14I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who is from the beginning.
I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.
Do Not Love the World
15Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. 17The world is passing away, along with its desires; but whoever does the will of God remains forever.
Beware of Antichrists
18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us.
20You, however, have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.c 21I have not written to you because you lack knowledge of the truth, but because you have it, and because no lie comes from the truth. 22Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son. 23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father, but whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.
Remain in Christ
24As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life.
26I have written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you.27And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.
28And now, little children, remain in Christ,d so that when He appears, we may be confident and unashamed before Him at His coming.
29If you know that He is righteous, you also know that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of Him.
 
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In some ways yes, but not in all ways.
@Ritajanice

That is a residue of the old man and mind, basically struggling to fully believe. It is not a process per se, but what occurs in the twinkling of an eye, can understandably be taken as somewhat unbelievable. Unfortunately, that developed into the "lie" that Paul wrote of causing "strong delusion", also foretold by Peter saying "there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies." Which was to occur until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.

Alternatively, if you have witnessed changes in the desires of your heart, but have held them there guarded from the world--you need not do so, but are encouraged to believe in the promise of Christ, saying, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me." Which was not at all a half-hearted offer, nor to be considered a mere deposit, but the fulness of new and eternal life. Believe it!

On the other hand, if you have only felt the heart-warming welcome from the teachings and fellowship of other followers of Christ, but are still waiting in expectation: Pray to God the Father and Christ that He come to you--and in "a day and an hour no one can know"--He will come by the glory of God's Holy Spirit. Believe it! At that time, those of us who are indwelled with Christ (Him in us, and us in Him), as Paul said, are "alive and remaining"--alive in God, but remaining in the world, to be His witnesses.
 
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Faith from God takes time to grow and mature. @NotTheRock ..even though I knew from day one that I was Born Again..,I did not trust God in every area of my life, we learn to trust him Brother....and to this day I’m still learning to trust him in certain areas.

He’s very gentle the Holy Spirit, he will never use brute force, never..God Bless you on your journey with him..
 
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That is a residue of the old man and mind, basically struggling to fully believe
I know 100% when my spirit was reborn...

But, the Spirit gave me heart revelation in an area of my life.,.my old man could not believe it as I was a new babe.

Do you know it’s taken 33yrs to believe what God revealed to my heart...I have no doubt now, my mind is now in line with that heart revelation that I received.

My mind is in Christ...Praise God!...that was some horrific heart breaking journey at times , I tell ya.
 
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Some people may believe they are born again, but in reality they are only religious fanatics and Carnal as they come ! You will know them by their works !
Plus some have no Living testimony Brother.

No good quoting scripture , if one doesn’t have that vital ingredient ..the indwelling Holy Spirit, who is Alive and Active in our hearts / spirit.

Even a child can post scripture..,the Holy Spirit is the only one who can bring scripture to our understanding , that’s why we must be Born Again, we are spirit children, that’s how God communicates with us, through our spirit, via the Holy Spirit.
 

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Being born again is something we are called to pursue but it's something that happens to us, not something that we can do for ourselves, right?

Anyway, I believe that I am "born again" but I don't KNOW that I am and even if I did, I would NOT exclaim "I'm born again!". It just seems self-serving to me.

Am I wrong to feel that way?
Did you receive confirmation by the Holy Spirit? If you are born again, you must have experienced a change in you, your world view, a.conscious awareness that God is and has been with you all along, leading you up to that day you had this Divine appointment.
You pray and know God answers your prayers.
You sense the presense of the Holy Spirit and His direct influence over you, your words, your behavior.
He brings to mind instantly the WORD of God that you have held in your heart, scriptures that are relevant in the exact moment when you need them, as you are witnessing or ministering to others. It is like He takes over your thoughts, directs them and a stream of words comes out after which you know that wasn't you, had never done that before and you simply say, that was the Holy Spirit working through you.
And when this day of enlightenment happens ( and some may not recognize a specific day), but certainly the change in direction from not believing in Christ to this certainty of belief, which is what the gift of faith is:
Now faith is the assurance (title deed, confirmation) of things hoped for (divinely guaranteed), and the evidence of things not seen [the conviction of their reality—faith comprehends as fact what cannot be experienced by the physical senses]. HEB. 11:1AMP version
So a Christian can see a time in their lives when they were rebellious towards God, the Bible and lived by their own rules and ways, loved their sin (and likely not aware that it was sin). They might have been invited to church by someone and they held up their hand and said, "No thanks, that's your thing... not for me"!
Their door was shut, they weren't interested.
Then as God drew them closer, He opened up their eyes and they began to see things differently. Now faith comes by the Word and so you were either hearing it or reading it and you began starting to agree with it. The many doubts over time started to dissolve as God revealed Himself to you and began to answer your prayers.
You began to discern scripture
, not in a superficial way, but deeper, richer meaning came forth, like a light went on. You began to examine yourslef and received godly sorrow, realizing that you were a sinner and needed forgiveness.
So you prayed asked for forgiveness. Your turning towards God and away from your sins and old ways was repentance. So then you started to love Jesus/God and take this new relationship very seriously and joined up with a good teaching church because you needed to learn more, have things explained to you by someone who is Spirit-filled and has been on this spiritual path and properly educated. It is like school for newborns. Kids go to kindergarten, because they need to learn basics and guided. So it is God's way for you to win you over, become equipped and send you out.
You also need to be surrounded by other believers who come alongside you, love you and help you get acclimated. God works through all of them to assist you. As you grow, you become hungry for the Word and can't seem to get enough of it. You are not only attending church but also mid-week Bible studies, listening to sermons on the radio or now online.

Does any of that sound familiar?
 
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Being born again is something we are called to pursue but it's something that happens to us, not something that we can do for ourselves, right?

Anyway, I believe that I am "born again" but I don't KNOW that I am and even if I did, I would NOT exclaim "I'm born again!". It just seems self-serving to me.

Am I wrong to feel that way?
This illustrates one of the problems with the concept of monergistic regeneration. For the monergist there is really nothing beyond a "feeling" that one has been regenerated. It is not at all reasonable to think that God would leave such a momentous occurrence up to just a "feeling".

Never in all of Acts, which is the only book in the NT which presents the actual occurrence of someone being saved, to the question, "What must I do to be saved?", is the answer, "Nothing really. If you feel you have been saved, then you are saved".
 

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... and even if I did, I would NOT exclaim "I'm born again!". It just seems self-serving to me.

Maybe. If presented humbly, it can be seen as praising God for what He's done in your life. Presented the wrong way, it can come across as boastful, "look at me, I'm saved (and you're not)!" And it can be a bit insensitive towards those (such as yourself) who do not have a definitive experience in their lives that they can point to and say, "this is when I was born again", and yet faithfully trust Jesus Christ for their salvation.
 
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Being born again

Being born again........... this term explains that we have already been born once...

That's our natural birth........ born of your mother.


and NOW..........

Jesus told us......."YOU must be born again", or you will "die in your sins".... unpardoned, and that is the "unpardonable sin"...

Hebrews 10 explains this as......"when you willfully reject Christ" as your Savior, then there "remains no more Sacrifice for your sin", as Jesus is the ONLY Sacrifice that God offers so that God can forgive all your sin.

So, a SINNER comes to faith in Christ... "while we were yet sinners".........and we give our Faith in Christ to God.
God accepts our faith as "faith is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness", (on our behalf).
God then forgives our sin.. .and now being forgiven, God joins Himself to us, Spiritually, and that produces a "new Birth" of our spirit.

And our spirit is now "born... again"... Spiritually........as.....a '"New Creation, in Christ"... And we are now "in Christ"... "one with God".
 

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Did you receive confirmation by the Holy Spirit? If you are born again, you must have experienced a change in you, your world view, a.conscious awareness that God is and has been with you all along, leading you up to that day you had this Divine appointment.
You pray and know God answers your prayers.
You sense the presense of the Holy Spirit and His direct influence over you, your words, your behavior.
He brings to mind instantly the WORD of God that you have held in your heart, scriptures that are relevant in the exact moment when you need them, as you are witnessing or ministering to others. It is like He takes over your thoughts, directs them and a stream of words comes out after which you know that wasn't you, had never done that before and you simply say, that was the Holy Spirit working through you.
And when this day of enlightenment happens ( and some may not recognize a specific day), but certainly the change in direction from not believing in Christ to this certainty of belief, which is what the gift of faith is:
Now faith is the assurance (title deed, confirmation) of things hoped for (divinely guaranteed), and the evidence of things not seen [the conviction of their reality—faith comprehends as fact what cannot be experienced by the physical senses]. HEB. 11:1AMP version
So a Christian can see a time in their lives when they were rebellious towards God, the Bible and lived by their own rules and ways, loved their sin (and likely not aware that it was sin). They might have been invited to church by someone and they held up their hand and said, "No thanks, that's your thing... not for me"!
Their door was shut, they weren't interested.
Then as God drew them closer, He opened up their eyes and they began to see things differently. Now faith comes by the Word and so you were either hearing it or reading it and you began starting to agree with it. The many doubts over time stated to dissolve as God revealed Himself to you and began to answer your prayers.
You began to discern scripture
, not in a superficial way, but deeper.m, richer meaning came forth, like a light went on. You began to examine yourslef and received godly sorrow, realizing that you were a sinner and needed forgiveness.
So you prayed asked for forgiveness. Your turning towards God and away from your sins and old ways was repentance. So then you started to love Jesus/God and take this new relationship very seriously and joined up with a good teaching church because you needed to learn more, have things explained to you by someone who is Spirit-filled and has been on this spiritual path and properly educated. It is like school for newborns. Kids go to kindergarten, because they need to learn basics and guided. So it is God's way for you to win you over, become equipped and send you out.
You also need to be surrounded by other believers who come alongside you, love you and help you get acclimated. God works through all of them to assist you. As you grow, you become hungry for the Word and can't seen to get enough of it. You are not only attending church but also mid-week Bible studies, listening to sermons on the radio or now online.

Does any of that sound familiar?

Yes, thank you.
 
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