Work out your own Salvation?

[amigo de christo]

You are teaching that you were born again, before you had faith......that your FAITH came after your "birth in the Spirit".

So, that deception is not going to dwindle away . as you are determined to keep telling it.

I have a real simple trivia question .
What did JESUS say . ALL WHO BELEIVE shall be saved .
what did paul , peter and others say
example . But sirs what must We do to be SAVED . they said what , YE MUST BELIEVE .
So why on earth is that message being turned into
a message of ye were born again , THEN etc , etc .
THE MESSAGE of HOW to be saved was always , YE MUST BELIEVE .
do not let one person TAKE that truth from you .
Lets redo the scene with paul and silas and make it sound like this other calvin led message .
The jailer rushed up and fell before them and said sirs what must i do to be saved
and the apostels answer and said , OH YOU NEED TO BE BORN AGAIN .
No they said YE MUST BELEIVE . OF course we know the born again are saved and that one must be born again .
BUT Notice the message IS FIRST , YE MUST BELIEVE .
At least that was what JESUS taught and later the apostels .
Imagine if i went around doing good to folks and etc
and saying to them , OH ye must be born again . THEN just walk off .
THEY have no idea what that even means . NO sir we must preach YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
I can tell the whole world ye must be born again . WHICH would be true . BUT What good will that do them
IF I TELL THEM NOT , YE MUST BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST . Our message stands . YE MUST BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST .
who so ever hears amen . who so ever rejects its on them .

 

[Ritajanice]

There is no such thing as one of the 9 Spiritual Gifts, as taught by PAUL.. as "the Gift of Faith".. being give to an unbeliever.

There is no other "super-natural faith"...

So, you are trying to prove that a Spiritual Gift, only given to Christians, was given to an unbeliever so that that can be made to believe in Jesus.

That is Hyper Calvinism.. cult theology, and nothing more.

Your opinions don’t count..

 

[amigo de christo]

I don’t need to read the whole chapter to know how we are Born Of The Spirit, Jesus explains it happens just like the wind and he is right.

You carry on through that scripture, and believe that you must look to the cross and believe..that’s your understanding of what it means to be Born Again,I don’t agree.

I was Born Again, just like Jesus explains to Nicodemus..the Spirit is like the wind, you never know the time or place that we will be Born Of The Spirit.,our spirit must be reborn.

You seem extremely transfixed on believing in Jesus.

I know I am Born Again in my spirit, reason being , the Spirit testifies that truth to my spirit all day every day.

Well you said something so beautiful it actually brought moisture to my eyes rita .
You said , YOU SEEM EXTREMELY TRANSFIXED ON BELEIVING IN JESUS . YES I DO SISTER . YES I DO
and that by grace is whom i shall POINT TOO .
AMEN sister . YOU got that part right about me . HE ALONE is the only ONE I SHALL POINT TOO .
that actually brought tears to my eyes when i read that .
You seem Extremely , I WISH TO GOD the whole church and any and all who do hear
WAS EXTREMELY FIXED on BELIEVING IN JESUS THE CHRIST and sounding it out to all .

 

[Behold]

You seem extremely transfixed on believing in Jesus.

As is every Real Christian., as everything with God is "by faith". "believing"...

The NT says.. that "without faith, its impossible to please God".. and that is not HIS Faith.....>Its YOURS..

See, our Christianity began when we gave to GOD.. .OUR FAITH in Christ..... that God requires of us.

 

[Ritajanice]

What did JESUS say . ALL WHO BELEIVE shall be saved

You must be Born Again/reborn in your spirit ..to actually believe in the Spirit Of God.

Tell me how you can believe in Jesus, without the Holy Spirit witnessing that truth to your spirit?

There’s no power in you to believe that Jesus walked this earth, that can only come by divine heart revelation.

You should know that the seed of God also remains in us where?

It sounds to me that you are desperately hanging on to what you heard.....

Gods seed penetrates our spirit and starts to grow, the moment we are reborn..we don’t have to desperately hang on to our faith.because we received it by divine, heart revelation.

 

[amigo de christo]

As is ever Real Christian., as everything with God is "by faith". "believing"...

The NT says.. that "without faith, its impossible to please God".. and that is not HIS Faith.....>Its YOURS..

See, our Christianity began when we gave to GOD.. .OUR FAITH, in Christ that God requires of us.

 

[Behold]

Your opinions don’t count..

I never teach opinion or false Calvinism ., I dont teach nonsense "born again concepts".
Im not you.

 

[amigo de christo]

faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the WORD of GOD .

 

[Behold]

You must be Born Again/reborn in your spirit ..to actually believe in the Spirit Of God.

You just taught your standard Hyper Calvinism, Brightframe + Ronald Nolette + Episkapos.... = deception.

Listen, you have to give God your FAITH.... in CHRIST..........so that He can forgive your sin........BEFORE He will give you the new birth in the Spirit.

So, your Gospel, is BACKWARDS... and that is why its False.

 

[amigo de christo]

Submit to GOD , resist the devil and he shall flee from you .
Many have not submitted unto the righteousness of GOD .
And many no longer beleive its even necessary to preach the Name of CHRIST unto these lost souls
But GOD has chosen how to save the world
And it pleased HIM by the foolishness of PREACHING to SAVE THOSE WHO BELIEVE . WHO what . WHO BELIEVE .
that is how GOD purposed it .
Its kind of odd really what a lot of folks try and do to the gospel message .
What i mean is
If any one of them was drowning
in an ocean and i hollered to them GRAB ahold of this life line flotation
and ye shall be saved , NOT A ONE OF THEM gonna aruge , wait do i really have to do grab ahold .
THEY WOULD ALL GRAB THAT LINE .
yet WHEN GOD OFFERS UP HIS LIFE LINE and says YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM to be saved ,
IT SURE SEEMS a lot want to argue with the YE MUST BELIEVE PART .

 

[Ritajanice]

I never teach opinion or false Calvinism ., I dont teach nonsense "born again concepts".
Im not you.

You have always taught your own man made religion all over the forum..you tell a fairytale..made up by your own imagination, it’s evident in all that you post.

You have no spiritual eyes, ears..your faith imo has/is been stunted , because it’s your faith, and can’t grow any further as it’s not in Christ..that’s my honest opinion of your faith.

 

[Ritajanice]

WHY cant people just preach the YE NEED TO BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST to be saved .

Because that is not how God says we are Born Again, that is why.

We are Born Again Then we are saved from eternal damnation.

We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God....that comes by divine ,heart revelation and the penned word confirms this.

 

[amigo de christo]

You have always taught your own man made religion all over the forum..you tell a fairytale..made up by your own imagination, it’s evident in all that you post.

You have no spiritual eyes, ears..your faith imo has/is been stunted , because it’s your faith, and can’t grow any further as it’s not in Christ..that’s my honest opinion of your faith.

Behold might indeed have some errors
But his preaching of the dire need to BELEIVE on JESUS the CHRIST , sure as heck aint one of them .
I dont even see why we are aruging over this .
Every apostel, JESUS himself said YE MUST BELEIVE IN HIM .
That is what they said . OH i know one must be born again . But the message is YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS
those who hear shall hear and those who do not will not .

 

[Johann]

Behold might indeed have some errors
But his preaching of the dire need to BELEIVE on JESUS the CHRIST , sure as heck aint one of them .
I dont even see why we are aruging over this .
Every apostel, JESUS himself said YE MUST BELEIVE IN HIM .
That is what they said . OH i know one must be born again . But the message is YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS
those who hear shall hear and those who do not will not .

Don't forget to mention the dire need to STAY in the Scriptures!

J.

 

[Behold]

You have always taught your own man made religion all over the forum..you tell a fairytale..made up by your own imagination, it’s evident in all that you post.

I only teach Pauline Theology. (Paul's Doctrine).

He didnt make it up, and i know His Doctrine very well.

People who actually study the NT correctly , recognize Paul's doctrine when when i teach.

Paul said that we are to be a "follower of Him, as He follows Christ", and that means His lifestyle, His walk of Faith, and most of all we are to learn HIS Doctrine.

So, that is NOT Your Calvinism, nonsense. @Ritajanice

Calvinism is actually "anti-Paul" and "Anti-Christ" because it denies The Cross. as this = : > "TULIP".. "the 5 points".<

You have no spiritual eyes

You're a hyper Calvinist who does not even understand how a person is saved.

, ears..your faith imo has/is been stunted , because it’s your faith, and can’t grow any further as it’s not in Christ..that’s my honest opinion of your faith.

Listen,
you can't even understand how to be SAVED.

You keep proving this by your posts...

 

[amigo de christo]

Because that is not how God says we are Born Again, that is why.

We are Born Again Then we are saved from eternal damnation.

You keep missing the point . The point was all them apostels and CHRIST HIMSELF
always said YE MUST BELEIVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
they didnt all go around hollering YE must be born again , THOUGH THIS IS TRUE ,
IT was YE MUST BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST to be saved .
Its kinda like trying to throw a saying ye must be born again, WHICH that saying IS TRUE ,
but not preaching the NAME of WHO THEY MUST BELIEVE IN to BE SAVED .
I can tell everyone Ye must be born again . WHICH as true as that is
WILL not explain to anyone HOW TO BE SAVED . BELEIVE YE IN JESUS THE CHRIST , THAT IS HOW ONE IS SAVED .
if you think me to be in error , WELL i invite you to go and look back into the bible
and you see what THEY all said . THEY PREACHED how to be saved , YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
did you know that more and more now even believe
the false religoins share the same SPIRIT we do . NO THEY DONT .
THEY are not born again and the proof is THEY DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
telling the world ye must be born again IS NOT enough , THAT IS WHY JESUS HIMSELF
WHO SAID YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN , MADE DARN SURE TO finiish this whole conversation
with a DIRE REMINDER that one MUST BELEIVE IN HIM .

 

[Ritajanice]

Behold might indeed have some errors
But his preaching of the dire need to BELEIVE on JESUS the CHRIST , sure as heck aint one of them .
I dont even see why we are aruging over this .
Every apostel, JESUS himself said YE MUST BELEIVE IN HIM .
That is what they said . OH i know one must be born again . But the message is YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS
those who hear shall hear and those who do not will not .

God said we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God...he did not say we must believe to see the Kingdom Of God...we believe in Christ because our spirit is reborn...

I also disagree about Behold...I truly don’t believe he is in Christ...that is my honest belief and I’m allowed to voice it, just like he voices I am demon possessed and became Born Again in sin.

He tells fairytale stories of what he believes it means to be in Christ....by his own delusional understanding of the scriptures.

He witnesses of self and it’s all over the forum.

 

[amigo de christo]

Don't forget to mention the dire need to STAY in the Scriptures!

J.

what a lovely reminder my friend . Here let
me bring such a lovely reminder to us all from paul
WHEN he himself was speaking ABOUT the SCRIPTURES . take note reader and all
paul was making mention OF the HOLY SCRIPTURES them selves to timothy .

ALL SCRIPTURE is given BY INSPIRATION of GOD , as peter also said ,
and is PROFITABLE FOR .............
DOCTRINE , for reproof , for correction , for instruction IN righteosness
that the man of GOD may be THOROUGHLY FURNISHED unto ALL GOOD WORKS .
AINT that lovely johann . Every WORD of GOD is meat for our soul .

 

[Ritajanice]

You keep missing the point . The point was all them apostels and CHRIST HIMSELF
always said YE MUST BELEIVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
they didnt all go around hollering YE must be born again , THOUGH THIS IS TRUE ,
IT was YE MUST BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST to be saved .
Its kinda like trying to throw a saying ye must be born again, WHICH that saying IS TRUE ,
but not preaching the NAME of WHO THEY MUST BELIEVE IN to BE SAVED .
I can tell everyone Ye must be born again . WHICH as true as that is
WILL not explain to anyone HOW TO BE SAVED . BELEIVE YE IN JESUS THE CHRIST , THAT IS HOW ONE IS SAVED .
if you think me to be in error , WELL i invite you to go and look back into the bible
and you see what THEY all said . THEY PREACHED how to be saved , YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
did you know that more and more now even believe
the false religoins share the same SPIRIT we do . NO THEY DONT .
THEY are not born again and the proof is THEY DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
telling the world ye must be born again IS NOT enough , THAT IS WHY JESUS HIMSELF
WHO SAID YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN , MADE DARN SURE TO finiish this whole conversation
with a DIRE REMINDER that one MUST BELEIVE IN HIM .

No, you are the one missing the point, you believe we can lose our salvation.

Point being, then if you believe that, then you have no understanding of being Born Of God and you keep evading my question regarding..Gods seed remains in us permanently.?

So how can we lose our salvation?

 

[amigo de christo]

Peter said , no scripture is of PRIVATE interpretation . NO IT WAS INSPIRED BY GOD
peter and paul agreed , as did all the apostels .
Oh the lovely truth written and recorded in that bible is so wonderful good to the soul of the lambs .
feast upon it daily .