Work out your own Salvation?

[Ritajanice]

I can and would quote those scriptures I am speaking but you would consider it childish. Darned if I do and darned if I don't, I guess.


Of course we must be born of the Spirit to understand scripture. Yes. But I don't agree we can never lose our salvation when scripture warns and exhorts and admonishes about that all over the place if we have spiritual eyes and ears to see and hear them. I'm not going to take the time and effort to bring any more of those pearls either at this time.

Thats where you are in your faith Sister.,which I respect and won’t push what I believe onto you,...as we will just keep going round the mulberry bush...a pointless exercise...I’m at a different level of faith.

I believe we all need to respect the different levels of faith which we are all at,as we see here on this thread.

 

[Lizbeth]

More imagination. Let me cast that down for you. We are to overcome in exactly the same way that Jesus did. By grace through faith.

Not quite the same.......if that were the case the Son of God wouldn't have needed to die for us and defeat the Enemy. We are not God, He is. There are good reasons why we will lay our crowns at His feet. Do you give glory to yourself?

 

[amigo de christo]

You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God...God brings us to repentance/ Godly sorrow, to initially believe in Jesus, then gifts us the supernatural faith to believe in our hearts.

Come on Amigo..let’s hear you say, that you know God in your heart and that you have received the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children?

That the Holy Spirit is Alive And Active in your heart..let’s hear it from you Amigo?

Rita you just keep on a keeping on and seem to forget how i have often spoken of this .
THE ONLY GOODNESS i have in ME rita IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD that works that which is well pleasing in HIS SIGHT
within me . You seem to go into a total state a mild amensia .
You seem to forget exactly what caused this rift . ALL i was doing was reminding the peoples
of the reminder to be in scrips and suddenly something about THAT struck a deep nerve within you .
Its the either or syndrome effect of men sister . something about those who remind the peoples
of the scriptures , to be in them and learning , AS PAUL even told timothy , Something about
this strikes either fear which can quickly turn to hatred .
ITS almost as though some dont really want to be IN that bible learning because there are just
too many reminders that might contradict what they themselves have desired and wanted to believe .
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[Behold]

Actually that was your own testimony.

Be honest.

Ive never stated that i was born again in sin... born again before i was forgiven.

As that is impossible.

You are the one that keeps stating that you were born again "in Sin"... to have FAITH..

Its your story that says, you were caused to believe, before you were forgiven..

See, God has to have from you, your FAITH, to forgive you, before He can give you the birth in the Spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

Rita you just keep on a keeping on and seem to forget how i have often spoken of this .
THE ONLY GOODNESS i have in ME rita IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD that works that which is well pleasing in HIS SIGHT
within me . You seem to go into a total state a mild amensia .
You seem to forget exactly what caused this rift . ALL i was doing was reminding the peoples
of the reminder to be in scrips and suddenly something about THAT struck a deep nerve within you .
Its the either or syndrome effect of men sister . something about those who remind the peoples
of the scriptures , to be in them and learning , AS PAUL even told timothy , Something about
this strikes either fear which can quickly turn to hatred .
ITS almost as though some dont really want to be IN that bible learning because there are just
too many reminders that might contradict what they themselves have desired and wanted to believe .
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I have no rift with you Brother. You’re my Brother in Christ always..and I Love you in Christ.

 

[Ritajanice]

Be honest.

Ive never stated that i was born again in sin... born again before i was forgiven.

As that is impossible.

You are the one that keeps stating that you were born again "in Sin"... to have FAITH..

Its your story that says, you were caused to believe, before you were forgiven..

See, God has to have from you, your FAITH, to forgive you, before He can give you the birth in the Spirit.

You give your own testimony on how you believe you became Born Again..therefore it belongs to you, your testimony is not my testimony.

Like I explained I have been given the gift of supernatural faith just like @Episkopos ...only he is at a much higher walk in faith than we are..you are limited in your understanding of spiritual matters.

Your spiritual eyes and ears are in dire need of being developed by the Living Holy Spirit.

Good day and God Bless as he brings more spiritual truth to your understanding .thats my prayer for you..

 

[Lizbeth]

The entrance to Gods light can only happen when we are Born Again ,only then are we in the Kingdom Of God..we’re in his Living spiritual realm on this earth.

ok I better post this scripture for you, at the risk of being childish again (guilty as charged I hope!):

Psa 119:130

The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

In the world...not of the world..I hope you know this.

The Living witness is who brings all scripture to our understanding ..without the Spirit you my dear and myself plus everyone else are NOTHING and know NOTHING.without him!

Yes indeed, amen.

 

[Ritajanice]

ok I better post this scripture for you, at the risk of being childish again (guilty as charged I hope!):

Psa 119:130

The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

My answer is..we must be reborn in our spirit to see or be in Gods light ,as we have spiritual eyes and ears the moment our spirit is reborn...they will be developed by the power within us, the Holy Spirit.

We’re on the same page in Christ Sis..we just word it differently....

Yes indeed, amen.

 

[Behold]

You give your own testimony on how you believe you became Born Again..therefore it belongs to you, your testimony is not my testimony.

Your testimony, is stating that you were not forgiven your sin, before God birthed you as born again.

So, you can deny it, but you have stated this over 300X, for months.. (at least) and so, you can't really try to pretend you have not stated this, over and over and over.

And that situation, can not happen.

You can not be born "in the spirit" before you are forgiven your sin...

So, the issue you have, is that Christians understand that God receives our FAITH< to forgive us......first of all, and you are teaching that you were born again, before anything else..........the forgiveness, and the Faith.

And that is not TRUE., as that is not Possible, as to be born again, before you had faith, means you were joined to God as an unforgiven sinner ,and that is your Testimony.

Like I explained I have been given the gift of supernatural faith just like @Episkopos

Lots of people claim lots of things on this Forum, and yet when they try to prove it, by what they teach,.. it just crashes and burns.....and nearly everyone sees it but them.
And you and that person you mentioned, who says that "THe Cross is not about Forgiveness" and that "God does not give His Righteousness to anyone"....... have some issues.

As that is how deception affects people.

 

[amigo de christo]

I have no rift with you Brother. You’re my Brother in Christ always..and I Love you in Christ.

Go back and look at many of the conversations of people on this thread .
They try and explain the born again moment or etc .
WHY cant people just preach the YE NEED TO BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST to be saved .
If you notice it seems many do not say this .
Rather they try and over explain certain concepts they believe .
But the simple truth is , WE ought to just REMIND all of the DIRE NEED to BELEIVE JESUS is the CHRIST
and be teaching them to observe all things HE taught .
Reminding them this cometh by the GRACE OF GOD . that is how one is saved BY the GRACE OF GOD
kept through Faith . its really a far simplier message than men have made it .
I will , as quickly as i can try and sum up my own walk .
At age four mama had taught me the gospel . Okay i did believe her
but that seemed to kept in the back of my mind as i continued to do as i did and etc .
now again at age eight i heard it while visting a friends church . Again i did beleive it , i remember
even doing the sinners prayer . But again, i walked as i desired too and it was just a thought
every now and again in the back of my mind .
This occured several other times throughout the years .
BUT something on may thirtieth of two thousand and six
Put a real stirring within me , what was once way back in my mind
that i could cliam by mouth but my heart was far from it and HIM ,
SUDDENLY CAME WITHIN MY ENTIRE BEING , aka into the heart . IT became LIVING TO ME , ALIVE .
I was changed and had ALL NEW DESIRES and them desires were FOR GOD , TO LEARN OF HIM and CHRIST
It was as though i came from death TO LIFE . THIS was not ME who led me to GOD or even had put
that desire to KNOW HIM in my heart . HE DID RITA . GOD DID THIS .
And into that lovely bible to learn and to grow by the POWER OF HIS SPIRIT to open my understanding ,
HE PUT ME . HE did that rita . NOT the flesh , not the carnal mind , GOD DID THIS .

 

[Ritajanice]

Your testimony, is stating that you were not forgiven your sin, before God birthed you as born again.

So, you can deny it, but you have stated this over 300X, for months.. (at least) and so, you can't really try to pretend you have not stated this, over and over and over.

And that situation, can not happen.

You can not be born "in the spirit" before you are forgiven your sin...

So, the issue you have, is that Christians understand that God receives our FAITH< to forgive us......first of all, and you are teaching that you were born again, before anything else..........the forgiveness, and the Faith.

And that is not TRUE., as that is not Possible, as to be born again, before you had faith, means you were joined to God as an unforgiven sinner ,and that is your Testimony.





Lots of people claim lots of things, and yet when they try to prove it, by what they teach, it just crashes and burns.....and everyone sees it but them.

As that is how deception affects them.

Good day Behold .. your opinions are invalid and have no standing under God’s authority....your words just dwindle away ..

The Word Of God stands forever and can only come through his Living witness the Living Holy Spirit...= by divine heart revelation.

Your faith is yours...my faith came by supernatural divine revelation.

Sadly , you seem so desperate to get everyone to believe as you do....that is very concerning ..


Everyone one of us is demon possessed because we don’t agree with your testimony, and that’s all it is Behold..” Your Own Testimony” that doesn’t even line up with scripture on how Gods word confirms we are Born Of The Spirit.

No more from me to you on this thread, maybe other threads.

 

[Behold]

WHY cant people just preach the YE NEED TO BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST to be saved .

Well, in the case of People like Rita, and Brightframe, and Ronald Nolette, they dont believe that you can do it.

They dont believe that YOU can Believe in Jesus....... as they teach that you have no FAITH to do it. = (Calvinism).

They believe that you have to be caused to believe, and its not your free will......

 

[Lizbeth]

My answer is..we must be reborn in our spirit to see or be in Gods light ,as we have spiritual eyes and ears the moment our spirit is reborn...they will be developed by the power within us, the Holy Spirit.

We’re on the same page in Christ Sis..we just word it differently....

Sister...that is not just talking about being born again but about learning and growing in the faith and understanding. After entering kindergarten class, and thank Jesus for that, but we still have a long way to go, more grades to pass, and much more to learn before graduation.

 

[Ritajanice]

WHY cant people just preach the YE NEED TO BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST to be saved

I became Born Again after God drew me to Jesus..God was the one who brought me to believe in his Name.

Saved needs to be in its right context.

We are Born Again then we are saved from eternal damnation.

 

[Behold]

Good day Behold .. your opinions are invalid and have no standing under God’s authority....your words just dwindle away ..

You are teaching that you were born again, before you had faith......that your FAITH came after your "birth in the Spirit".

So, that deception is not going to dwindle away . as you are determined to keep telling it.

 

[Ritajanice]

Sister...that is not just talking about being born again but about learning and growing in the faith and understanding. After entering kindergarten class, and thank Jesus for that, but we still have a long way to go, more grades to pass, and much more to learn before graduation.

Do you understand supernatural faith?

Our faith grows as we walk in spirit and face some horrendous trials ....we must suffer to truly grow in faith.

We can only endure because we look to God , our spirit looks to him, we have no other we can look to Sister.

We are under his authority and in his will..just like the Messiah was @Lizbeth

 

[amigo de christo]

I became Born Again after God drew me to Jesus..God was the one who brought me to believe in his Name.

Saved needs to be in its right context.

We are Born Again then we are saved from eternal damnation.

Saved needs to be preached as YE NEED TO BELEIVE JESUS is the CHRIST .
that is how the apostels did it .
IF you read where JESUS was telling nicodemus , YE must be born again
READ all of it , HE TELLS ME HOW one is born again . READ the entire third chapter .
Its only IN CHRIST one is BORN again rita . ITs the COVERSION from darkness to LIGHT .
YES it is GOD who draws us to CHRIST . that is a fact .
nichodemus when hearing the ye must be born again
ASKED THE RIGHT question .
look at verse nine . But LORD HOW can these things be .
KEEP reading
NOTICE that JESUS keeps teaching and then says
if i have told you earthly things and ye BELIEVE NOT
how is it ye will hear the heavenly .
THEN he continues rita
ALL WHO DO BELIEVE IN ME . IN ME .

 

[Behold]

Your faith is yours...my faith came by supernatural divine revelation.

Yes, as Paul said..>>"that all have the measure of Faith".

You had it also, but somehow you have come under this delusion that it wasn't yours.,, as that is what HyperCalvinism theology does to your thinking.

Sadly , you seem so desperate to get everyone to believe as you do....that is very concerning ..

You mean.......... im determined to get everyone to believe what Paul teaches., and avoid anything else... .like your Hyper Calvinism?

Thats true.

Everyone one of us is demon possessed because we don’t agree with your testimony,

Our "Faith is counted as (Christ's) Righteousness by God"..

That is God's Testimony, that you say is mine......and so, in that case..... you are correct.

And, i dont accuse people online of being "demon possessed"...
What i point out is that a "doctrine of devils'.. a man made theology,..Hebrews 13:9.... captures peoples minds and then they teach it.
Its what you're doing, for example.
its very common.
You find this with people like you who are teaching a cult theology.
You find it with Mormons, and Catholics, as they teach a certain man made theology, specific to their Cult.

 

[Behold]

Do you understand supernatural faith?

There is no such thing as one of the 9 Spiritual Gifts, as taught by PAUL.. as "the Gift of Faith".. being give to an unbeliever.

There is no other "super-natural faith"...

So, you are trying to prove that a Spiritual Gift, only given to Christians, was given to an unbeliever so that that can be made to believe in Jesus.

That is Hyper Calvinism.. cult theology, and nothing more.

 

[Ritajanice]

Saved needs to be preached as YE NEED TO BELEIVE JESUS is the CHRIST .
that is how the apostels did it .
IF you read where JESUS was telling nicodemus , YE must be born again
READ all of it , HE TELLS ME HOW one is born again . READ the entire third chapter .
Its only IN CHRIST one is BORN again rita . ITs the COVERSION from darkness to LIGHT .
YES it is GOD who draws us to CHRIST . that is a fact .
nichodemus when hearing the ye must be born again
ASKED THE RIGHT question .
look at verse nine . But LORD HOW can these things be .
KEEP reading
NOTICE that JESUS keeps teaching and then says
if i have told you earthly things and ye BELIEVE NOT
how is it ye will hear the heavenly .
THEN he continues rita
ALL WHO DO BELIEVE IN ME . IN ME .

I don’t need to read the whole chapter to know how we are Born Of The Spirit, Jesus explains it happens just like the wind and he is right.

You carry on through that scripture, and believe that you must look to the cross and believe..that’s your understanding of what it means to be Born Again,I don’t agree.

I was Born Again, just like Jesus explains to Nicodemus..the Spirit is like the wind, you never know the time or place that we will be Born Of The Spirit.,our spirit must be reborn.

You seem extremely transfixed on believing in Jesus.

I know I am Born Again in my spirit, reason being , the Spirit testifies that truth to my spirit all day every day.