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[amigo de christo]

You show me my trickery, by what I have preached, as I know that you are referring to me.

The Bible confirms what we have testified to our spirit when we are Born Of The Spirit, so don’t tell someone that the Bible births their spirit, it doesn’t.

Only the Living Spirit can birth our spirit, Spirit gives birth to spirit.

So stop spreading your nonsense that the Bible births our spirit..it does not!

We are birthed by supernatural divine heart revelation...by a Living Holy Spirit , not by a Bible.

it dont seem to matter how many times i have told you I ALREADY KNOW its NOT THE BIBLE that births our spirit .
BUT RATHER IT IS HE who DID INSPIRE the SCRIPTURES that does and did birth our spirit .
Twisting and phrases is all i see . what idont see is any clear answers to the ONE question i keep asking ya .
WHY o why DID YOU GO AFTER A MAN for simply REMINDING US to be reading our bibles .
YA need to answer . NOW if you realize by now you are wrong and made a simple mistake , THEN at least let me know .
But you seem to double down on key phrases and yet do not be able to seem to show any proof
of my error for simply doing what i did . ALL you say or try to say is , GOD is a living SPIRIT . WHICH I ALREADY KNOW .
YOU need to answer WHY it is you came after me for JUST reminding all we need to be in our bible
and we need to be testing all things anyone says against the truth in scripture . Lets start with that simple question .

 

[Ritajanice]

it dont seem to matter how many times i have told you I ALREADY KNOW its NOT THE BIBLE that births our spirit .
BUT RATHER IT IS HE who DID INSPIRE the SCRIPTURES that does and did birth our spirit .
Twisting and phrases is all i see . what idont see is any clear answers to the ONE question i keep asking ya .
WHY o why DID YOU GO AFTER A MAN for simply REMINDING US to be reading our bibles .
YA need to answer . NOW if you realize by now you are wrong and made a simple mistake , THEN at least let me know .

Why oh why do you go after me for testifying of Gods truth, that he is a Living Spirit. I have not gone after you for telling members to read the Bible.

I have gone after you because you idolise the Bible, instead God teaches we are to Love God with all our heart, mind and soul..that is my point to you.

But you seem to double down on key phrases and yet do not be able to seem to show any proof
of my error for simply doing what i did . ALL you say or try to say is , GOD is a living SPIRIT . WHICH I ALREADY KNOW .

God said we are to love him ..we are not to love our bibles with all our heart, mind and soul, let that be a reminder to you.

YOU need to answer WHY it is you came after me for JUST reminding all we need to be in our bible
and we need to be testing all things anyone says against the truth in scripture . Lets start with that simple question .

I never said we don’t need to test truth with scripture, I said stop loving the Bible with all your heart mind and soul and stop idolising the Bible over God!

 

[IronMaiden]

Why oh why do you go after me for testifying of Gods truth, that he is a Living Spirit. I have not gone after you for telling members to read the Bible.

I have gone after you because you idolise the Bible, instead God teaches we are to Love God with all our heart, mind and soul..that is my point to you.

God said we are to love him ..we are not to love our bibles with all our heart, mind and soul, let that be a reminder to you.

I never said we don’t need to test truth with scripture, I said stop loving the Bible with all your heart mind and soul and stop idolising the Bible over God!

Neither I nor amigo have ever said we idolize the Bible, but we do love the Word of God. It’s His letter to His children for instruction and learning and wisdom. God’s Word is powerful and alive and active:

Hebrews 4:9-12 (NKJV) 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God [did] from His. 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God [is] living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

 

[Ritajanice]

Neither I nor amigo have ever said we idolize the Bible, but we do love the Word of God. It’s His letter to His children

How do you know that you are his child...what does child mean please?

What sort of child are we once wer’e Born Again?

for instruction and learning and wisdom. God’s Word is powerful and alive and active:

Hebrews 4:9-12 (NKJV) 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God [did] from His. 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God [is] living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Once again you post scripture.

So please tell me by whose witness do you know that your spirit is Born Again?

How would I know that I’m Born Again?

Also why must we be Born Of The Spirit, what is the reason why we must be Born Of The Spirit?


You say you are Born Again so you must know why we must be Born Again?

 

[IronMaiden]

@Ritajanice
My witness is Almighty God. To be a child of God, you must believe that Jesus came and was crucified for the whole world. Jesus came to earth to reveal His Father’s love, forgive our sins, and to give us eternal life. We must be born again in order to receive eternal life (immortality).

 

[Ritajanice]

@Ritajanice
My witness is Almighty God.

Jesus came to earth to reveal His Father’s love, forgive our sins, and to give us eternal life. We must be born again

in order to receive eternal life (immortality).

,God says we must be Born Again..

We are Born Again on earth , as God says we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God?

the Bible, you say it was written under the influence / inspiration of the Spirit..so if it was written under the influence of the Spirit.

Are you saying that the written word was written in Spirit @LatterRain ?

I guess it must have been if God inspired men to pen his words?
Therefore if it was written in Spirit, does that mean that the whole world can understand what is written?

 

[Marvelloustime]

spot on right sister . that was done by man for power and control . He convinced this people
to EITHER OR . PAUL preached BOTH . THE SCRIPS are not contrary to the SPIRIT
NOR IS the SPIRIT contrary to the scrips . THEY act as though its either GOD or the bible but it just cant be both .
BUT WHY . why was this done . TO MAKE those who use the bible seem to be legalistic , as not loving GOD
cause THEY KNEW if the people ever get in the scrips and stop seeingthe EITHER OR MINDSET
these wolves are DONE fleecing and makig money cause folks who do so would not sit under them .
Satan is quite crafity indeed . He pits GOD against His words , He pits the SPIRIT against the written word
so as souls can stay trapped in his deceptoins and his men whose love is for the world and money
THEY sure like this mindset cause it keeps them getting richer and folks are all the dumber .

@amigo de christo
@Lizbeth
@Ritajanice

 

[Episkopos]

We are saved by being forgiven all our sin.

This is false. We are saved by partaking of His life in holiness. Saved FROM sin by a resurrection life er receive as we enter INTO Him...by translation by the Spirit.

People with on a sunday church experience will know nothing of this grace.

 

[Lizbeth]

God said we are to love him ..we are not to love our bibles with all our heart, mind and soul, let that be a reminder to you.

Sister I know there are people who are unspiritual and idolize a carnal minded approach to the bible etc....I've run up against that at times, but you are picking on the wrong folks here. I'm not disparaging scholarship per se, we need to ascertain the accuracy of translations and it's very helpful in places to understand the cultural/historical context that things were written in etc....but I'm talking about those who take everything literally and completely lack and reject revelation of the Holy Spirit. Another problem we can have is to remain suckling on milk of the word over and over and over again long after we should have grown to be chewing on meat. Nevertheless God is judge and knows all the ins and outs of a person's life and heart. If people don't grow they will remain susceptible to be blown about by every wind of doctrine.

As others are also saying if we love God, we will love His word. Jesus Christ is God and He is the WORD made flesh as scripture attests. We love HIM don't we? I'm not sure whether you realize that the word of God is another witness along with the Holy Spirit. Jesus Himself said the scriptures are these which testify of Him. The Spirit and the word agree sister...they are two witnesses, because the bible says to let everything be established on the basis of two or three witnesses and this was shown to me by revelation:

Jhn 5:37-40

And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. (witness)

And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.



Mat 18:16

But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

2Co 13:1

This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

1Ti 5:19

Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.

Heb 10:28

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Deu 17:6

At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Deu 19:15

One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

1Jo 5:6-8

This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

 

[Lizbeth]

This is false. We are saved by partaking of His life in holiness. Saved FROM sin by a resurrection life er receive as we enter INTO Him...by translation by the Spirit.

People with on a sunday church experience will know nothing of this grace.

Like the subject of fear, I believe this to be kind of a two-sided coin. Scripture says He HAS sanctified and perfected us..........but now it's a question that we need to apprehend and walk in these truths. All things HAVE been put under His feet, but we do not yet SEE everything put under Him.

If I may add this analogy........it's like Jesus has done the heavy lifting and hunted down and killed the prey for us as it were, and lain it at our feet.......but now it's up to us to do our part and skin and dress and cook the thing so we can eat of it, so to speak.

 

[amigo de christo]

Why oh why do you go after me for testifying of Gods truth, that he is a Living Spirit. I have not gone after you for telling members to read the Bible.

I have gone after you because you idolise the Bible, instead God teaches we are to Love God with all our heart, mind and soul..that is my point to you.

God said we are to love him ..we are not to love our bibles with all our heart, mind and soul, let that be a reminder to you.

I never said we don’t need to test truth with scripture, I said stop loving the Bible with all your heart mind and soul and stop idolising the Bible over God!

read read your why o why . rita i never have once went after you for testifying that GOD is a living SPIRIT
you simply went after me for REMINDING ALL of the dire need to be reading the scriptures .

 

[Episkopos]

Like the subject of fear, I believe this to be kind of a two-sided coin. Scripture says He HAS sanctified and perfected us..........

Who is the "us" you are speaking of? The bible actually says "we" are poor naked wretched and blind. Why do you read the bible with yourself as the winner? Is that from a habit of esteeming yourself as being rich and privileged? Of course the outer man will seek for something that comforts him.

The UNREALITY of your surmisings are obvious. It makes your doctrines self-serving and foolish. Why? Because you are always at the center of it. It;s not about Christ...it's about whatever is in you...and you claim Christ for THAT purpose. Otherwise you balk at the idea that salvation is something outside of you...namely IN Christ. But that kind of discomfort and scandal makes you lash out in a bid for self-preservation.

The devil has successfully made this a zero-sum game of naming and claiming. If you can't be the absolute winner in the biblical narrative, you will have none of it. And that is precisely why so many will be rejected on judgment day. For the privileged Western believers...it's all or nothing. So then nothing it will be for so many. There will be eternal regrets.

but now it's a question that we need to apprehend and walk in these truths. All things HAVE been put under His feet, but we do not yet SEE everything put under Him.

If I may add this analogy........it's like Jesus has done the heavy lifting and hunted down and killed the prey for us as it were, and lain it at our feet.......but now it's up to us to do our part and skin and dress and cook the thing so we can eat of it, so to speak.

More imagination. Let me cast that down for you. We are to overcome in exactly the same way that Jesus did. By grace through faith. An imagination can be overcome by a simple reading of the biblical narrative...IF that has any value to the outer man. Which of course it doesn't. But to the honest seekers out there...

To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Rev. 3:21

 

[Ritajanice]

Sister I know there are people who are unspiritual and idolize a carnal minded approach to the bible etc....I've run up against that at times, but you are picking on the wrong folks here.

I am picking on no one, I will not condone your unloving approach to Epi.

I'm not disparaging scholarship per se, we need to ascertain the accuracy of translations and it's very helpful in places to understand the cultural/historical context that things were written in etc....but I'm talking about those who take everything literally and completely lack and reject revelation of the Holy Spirit. Another problem we can have is to remain suckling on milk of the word over and over and over again long after we should have grown to be chewing on meat. Nevertheless God is judge and knows all the ins and outs of a person's life and heart. If people don't grow they will remain susceptible to be blown about by every wind of doctrine.

Your just voicing how you believe scripture should be read, I 100% disagree with you.

From day one of becoming Born Again, I rely 100% solely on the Holy Spirit.to lead me through the scriptures that he speaks to my heart, then the written word gives me the confirmation that it came from the Living Holy Spirit..that is the part that for some reason you don’t understand.

So be careful when you accuse Epi of false teaching, because I can assure you some of what you teach doesn’t resonate with my spirit..especially this idolising the Bible is rather concerning, when I see no idolising of the one true livings God, whose Spirit should be residing in you spirit,you talk a lot of religious talk imo, like you are telling your own story of the Bible.,going through it in your own understanding I see very little spiritual truth in what you say....no living testimony to the power that should be in you..do you actually know that Gods seed remains in your spirit?..do you know that your spirit is Alive in Christ?.i have never once seen you speaking of Gods witness ,His Living Holy Spirit...you need the Witness, Living/ testifying to your spirit that you are Gods child, you should know that all day every day, do you?

As others are also saying if we love God, we will love His word. Jesus Christ is God and He is the WORD made flesh as scripture attests. We love HIM don't we? I'm not sure whether you realize that the word of God is another witness along with the Holy Spirit. Jesus Himself said the scriptures are these which testify of Him. The Spirit and the word agree sister...they are two witnesses, because the bible says to let everything be established on the basis of two or three witnesses and this was shown to me by revelation:

As I have already explained to you, the Bible is not a Living witness, it confirms what the Spirit testifies with our spirit, it confirms what we hear from the Spirit, when he leads us in our spirit through scripture and brings it to our understanding, that is the spiritual part that you don’t understand.

Jhn 5:37-40

And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. (witness)

And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.



Mat 18:16

But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

2Co 13:1

This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

1Ti 5:19

Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.

Heb 10:28

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Deu 17:6

At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Deu 19:15

One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

1Jo 5:6-8

This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

All those posting of scriptures a child could do.the scriptures do not give you eternal life, they confirm that we have eternal life..one our spirit has become Born Again = supernatural divine heart revelation , that’s the part you lack understanding In I’m afraid..

 

[Lizbeth]

I am picking on no one, I will not condone your unloving approach to Epi.

Your just voicing how you believe scripture should be read, I 100% disagree with you.

From day one of becoming Born Again, I rely 100% solely on the Holy Spirit.

As I have already explained to you, the Bible is not a Living witness, it confirms what the Spirit testifies with our spirit, it confirms what we hear from the Spirit, when he leads us in our spirit through scripture and brings it to our understanding, that is the spiritual part that you don’t understand.



All those posting of scriptures a child could do.the scriptures do not give you eternal life, they confirm that we have eternal life..one our spirit has become Born Again = supernatural divine heart revelation , that’s the part you lack understanding In I’m afraid..

The entrance of the word gives light sister. It dispels the darkness of ignorance and washes us clean....after having the bath we still need to have our feet washed regularly.

Discussing things is not unloving. Again, you have no problem at all with Epi's abhorrent behaviour, which is not momentary but a consistent pattern.

 

[IronMaiden]

The entrance of the word gives light sister. It dispels the darkness of ignorance and washes us clean....after having the bath we still need to have our feet washed regularly.

Well said, Liz. The LORD reveals new gems of wisdom with every reading of His Word.

 

[Episkopos]

The entrance of the word gives light sister. It dispels the darkness of ignorance and washes us clean....after having the bath we still need to have our feet washed regularly.

Discussing things is not unloving. Again, you have no problem at all with Epi's abhorrent behaviour, which is not momentary but a consistent pattern.

The flesh profits nothing. Why defend it? Why take offense to plain scripture? Why only claim something that anyone can claim defends their own bent on self-preservation? You call that abhorrent...because what you say is abhorrent. I act as a mirror to your own pronouncements. So read yourself into your own remarks. The kingdom of God is NOT what you think it is.

 

[Ritajanice]

The entrance of the word gives light sister. It dispels the darkness of ignorance and washes us clean....after having the bath we still need to have our feet washed regularly.

Not biblical.

Discussing things is not unloving. Again, you have no problem at all with Epi's abhorrent behaviour, which is not momentary but a consistent pattern.

We must be Born Of The Spirit, before you can even understand scripture, as it’s a Spirit book and can be only understood from the guidance of the Holy Spirit....that’s why our spirit must be Born Again to be able to understand scripture in our spirit..we also have eternal life and can never lose our salvation.

 

[GodsGrace]

The Bible is not the Living Holy Spirit , and yes you did, you added to Gods word on how we are Born Again, please don’t add your words.

YOU
are telling someone they're adding to God's word??



Oh. You're just too much.

 

[Ritajanice]

The flesh profits nothing. Why defend it? Why take offense to plain scripture? Why only claim something that anyone can claim defends their own bent on self-preservation? You call that abhorrent...because what you say is abhorrent. I act as a mirror to your own pronouncements. So read yourself into your own remarks. The kingdom of God is NOT what you think it is.

Well said Epi, someone had to say it..Amen!

 

[Ritajanice]

YOU
are telling someone they're adding to God's word??



Oh. You're just too much.

I pray that you know the true love of God in your spirit.​

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1 Corinthians 2:14​

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King James Version​

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14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.