Work out your own Salvation?
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
No it’s not, your testimony needs to line up with scripture.
Otherwise it’s meaningless ..your testimony against God’s testimony on how we are Born Of The Spirit.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
You best ask God what testimony means...how does one know that they are Born Again without a living testimony, that can only come by divine heart revelation..are you newly Born Again?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Are you newly Born Of The Spirit?
You said that all Christians are Born Of The Holy Spirit, then you posted one verse of scripture, I asked you what it meant, I know that verse of scripture is true, so I ask again, how do you know that verse of scripture is true?..it’s a simple question to answer?
Unless you are a new babe, then it wouldnt be.sounds like you are a new babe?
Behold
Well-Known Member
Previously you stated that the fearing God "saves them"., which is a lie, as its Jesus on The Cross who "saves them".
Its interesting that your Salvation Theology, as well as your personal Salvation Testimony..... is "Cross-Less"..
And, i showed you that "God has not given us the spirit of FEAR, but of power and of a sound mind".
Being afraid of God, is not the Gospel.....but i will say this.......It can be, that when sharing with a person their Need to be Saved, .. you can sometimes run into someone who is convinced by explaining to them that HELL is real. So, in that Case, that fear of going to Hell can lead a person to Salvation.........as JUDE explains.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I asked you a question?
If you don’t know what it means to understand God’s Living witness His Living Holy Spirit, who testifies Of God’s truth direct to our heart/ spirit...then I’m afraid I can’t help you either..as it can only come by supernatural divine heart revelation.
Which you seem to have no understanding of what that means.sounds like you are a new babe are you?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I didn’t offer it..only God can help you in your understanding of spiritual matters.
God helps me all the time.
Psalms 121:1-8 (NIV) 1 A song of ascents. I lift up my eyes to the mountains-- where does my help come from? 2 My help comes from the LORD, the Maker of heaven and earth. 3 He will not let your foot slip-- he who watches over you will not slumber; 4 indeed, he who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep. 5 The LORD watches over you-- the LORD is your shade at your right hand; 6 the sun will not harm you by day, nor the moon by night. 7 The LORD will keep you from all harm-- he will watch over your life; 8 the LORD will watch over your coming and going both now and forevermore.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
You must be Born Again to have fellowship with God.
Posting scripture does not mean we are Born Of The Spirit as I’ve tried to explain to you before, even a child can post scripture..
To truly understand scripture one must be Born Again Only then can the Spirit Of Truth bring it to our understanding .
unfortunately you wouldn’t explain how you knew that verse of scripture that you posted was God’s truth, plus you didn’t explain what it means..
We are spirit children when we are Born Of The Spirit...led to understand the word of God in our spirit, as that is where we communicate ...Spirit to spirit...the Spirit is our teacher/ helper.
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It’s apparent, you don’t believe the Word of God, the Bible. For this reason, I truly don’t know how I can possibly help you. Bye for now.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I do believe the word of God.
.unfortunately you have no understanding of spiritual matters..you are leading yourself through scripture....
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
This is also apparent from reading your posts.
1 Corinthians 2:14
King James Version
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.Or it could be that If you are a new babe, then you are probably still in that old man man mindset.so you wouldn’t have spiritual understanding, that takes time for the Spirit to develop our understanding of spiritual matters.
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This is false, of course. We are saved by His life...not by His death. You belong to a strange death religion based on a person called Pauline. Very cultish indeed.
Read the bible about the importance of fearing God in order to partake of life.
I know you can't read the bible verses I post...as you have become blind to them...so I won't bother.
You deny the cross. I testify of the power of the cross to remove the outer man so that the inner man can be translated into God's presence to walk in Zion as Jesus did...AND He is there. Where He is we can also be.
You only cite the verses that make salvation easy and free. No reality there. We are not to fear anything in this world....no anxieties. But you don't see the context of much.
Simplistic in the extreme. You are the one who is so afraid of hell...hence your your adherence to a religion that supports your bent on self-preservation. Your mind plays like a black and white low grade horror movie. Where's the love, joy and peace in your scheme?
You remind me of Boris Karloff...on a bad day.
Behold
Well-Known Member
We are saved by being forgiven all our sin.
See, its our SIN that separates us from God. = Spiritually, .. just as Adam's sin separated Him from God, = Spiritually.
2nd Adam, (Jesus) came to restore unto the believer, = Spiritual Union with God.
Welcome to : SALVATION
So, the Sacrifice of Jesus on The Cross, .. is Jesus become....= "God hath made JESUS to be SIN.....for us"..
And we have now the opportunity, to place our faith in Christ, and when we do, God accepts our faith... and our Sin is then transferred upon Jesus who is become 2000 yrs ago ...."""The ONE TIME.....Eternal Sacrifice for our SIN""">.
And once He becomes our sin.. .we are forgiven all our sin, (by His Sacrifice on The Cross).... and then God gives to us....the "imputed Righteousness of Christ""" = that is ..."The GIFT of Righteousness"..
And so the believer is now BORN AGAIN.... as a "new creation in Christ"... having become "the Righteousness of GOD....in Christ".
Here i am......
Find me here....
Paul said..".""""But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles (Greeks) foolishness""""
"The Gift of Salvation" is free. Thats why the verse says its a ""Gift.""
"Its freely given and freely received"........"not by our works, but according to God's MERCY....HE ... SAVED.....US">... (The Believers, born again).
Christ can't go to Hell, and because im "in Christ" neither can i..
Neither can anyone who is born again, and is already "one with God"... "seated in heavenly places"..
Jesus told the born again, that once you believe in Him, He """"gives you eternal life, and you shall never go to Hell (Perish)"""...
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
its trickery my friend . they use words and keep on using phrases of words to induce a confusion .
STICK TO THE BIBLE MY FRIEND . born of Spirit and water .
Ritajanice
Born-Again
You show me my trickery, by what I have preached, as I know that you are referring to me.
The Bible confirms what we have testified to our spirit when we are Born Of The Spirit, so don’t tell someone that the Bible births their spirit, it doesn’t.
Only the Living Spirit can birth our spirit, Spirit gives birth to spirit.
So stop spreading your nonsense that the Bible births our spirit..it does not!
We are birthed by supernatural divine heart revelation...by a Living Holy Spirit , not by a Bible.
