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[ProDeo]

Amen. I don't think that religious posturers will be able to see and read your post. At least not be able to agree and "believe" the truth.

I would add in a few more NT verses that show that the fear of the Lord is not just for OT believers.

Acts 10:34-35 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that fears him, and works righteousness, is accepted with him.

Acts 9:31Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

And for those who only listen to Pauline.

2 Cor. 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Heb. 12:28 “Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:”

Hello Epi , long time no see, hope you are well.

I am here about a week by now and I really wonder why you think the members don't fear the Lord, it is certainly not my impression. Perhaps you can elaborate with a couple of examples? Thanks in advance.

 

[Johann]

This is an exercise in futility...contradicting the bible. An unlearned person will cite one side of a divine balance and deny the other. So you expose your own lack of understanding. You are trying to make the bible conform to your errant opinions.

Go ahead and not fear God like every rejected one will do. You will join into Christian feasts without fear...as Jude states. You will deny the wisdom of fearing God as something that preserves people. (saves them)

Perfect love casts out all fear. So are you claiming to be perfected in love? Are you a conduit of God's love in the world...with no impurities at all? I think you know that you are just looking for theological excuses to NOT obey the gospel.

You mean like this?


FEAR (OT)

My exegetical notes from Genesis 22:12
 This concept is expressed by several Hebrew roots. The most common is BDB 431, KB 432, which occurs often in the OT in two senses.
it can mean "fear," "fright" (cf. Gen. 3:10; 18:15; 20:8; 28:17; 32:7; 42:35; 43:18
in certain contexts it transitions to "awe," "respect," or "honor" when describing a human's attitude toward Deity. Note the following texts: Gen. 42:18; Exod. 1:17; 9:30; 18:21; Lev. 19:14,32; 25:17,36,43; Deut. 6:2,24; 10:12,20; 14:23; 17:19; 25:18; 28:58; 31:12-13; Ps. 33:8.

This "fear" should issue in worship and obedience (cf. Exod. 20:20; Deut. 6:13,24; see SPECIAL TOPIC: KEEP). It is a lifestyle relationship, not a set of isolated events, places, creeds, or rules. Obedience flows from respect and love, not fear of reprisal. Disobedience is primarily against love, as well as law! One's relationship with God becomes the priority of life! That "Abraham believed God" (Gen. 15:56) was demonstrated in his life by his actions in Genesis 22!

My exegetical notes from Jeremiah 1:8
YHWH saying "fear not" was a frequent message to His servants
Abraham, Gen. 15:1
Hagar, Gen. 21:17
Isaac, Gen. 26:24
Moses to the people ‒ Exod. 14:13; Deut. 1:21
Moses referring to the people of Canaan ‒ Num. 14:9
YHWH to Moses, Num. 21:34; Deut. 3:2,22
Joshua, Josh. 1:5-9; 8:1; 10:8
Gideon, Jdg. 6:8-10
David to Solomon, 1 Chr. 22:13; 28:20
YHWH Himself is to be Israel's fear, Isa. 8:12-15
national Israel, Isa. 41:10,13,14; 43:1,5; 44:2; 54:4
Daniel, Dan. 10:12,19
the returnees from exile ‒ Hag. 2:5; Zech. 8:13
Mary, Luke 1:30
Joseph ‒ Matt. 1:20
the Twelve ‒ Matt. 14:27
Simon, Luke 5:16
a synagogue official ‒ Mark 5:36
Paul, Acts 27:24
John, Rev. 1:17
believers in general ‒ Matt. 10:31; Luke 12:32; 1 Pet. 3:14

My exegetical notes from Isaiah 41:10
 This is a very common word from YHWH to His people (cf. Isa. 41:13,14; 43:1,5; 44:2,8; 51:7,12; 54:4,14). Notice why they should not fear.
YHWH is personally with them (i.e., Ps. 23:4)
YHWH is their covenant God (i.e., Gen. 15:1; Exod. 14:13; Jdgs. 6:23; Isa. 41:10)
He will strengthen them
He will help them (Isa. 41:10,14)
He will uphold them (Isa. 41:10,13)
all who oppose them will
be shamed
be dishonored
be brought to nothing (Isa. 41:11-12)
perish

Joshua 4:14 "the Lord exalted Joshua in the sight of all Israel."This VERB (BDB 152, KB 178, Piel PERFECT was used in Josh. 3:7 to denote this very act.

NASB, JPSOA  "revered"
LXX, NKJV, Peshitta  "feared"
NRSV  "awe"
TEV  "honored"
NJB  "respected"
REB  "exalted"

This is one of the best verses in the Bible to see the meaning of "fear" (BDB 431, KB 432). It is used in the sense of "reverence" or "respect." This helps us to understand what it means when we read that we are to "fear" God.
  The phrase, "as they had revered Moses all the days of his life," is a bit of an overstatement when one reviews the murmuring and rebellion of the people against Moses' leadership in Exodus and Numbers
Utley.

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Matthew 11:28-30
Textus Receptus (Greek): Δεῦτε πρός με πάντες οἱ κοπιῶντες καὶ πεφορτισμένοι, καὶ ἐγὼ ἀναπαύσω ὑμᾶς. ἄρατε τὸν ζυγόν μου ἐφ’ ὑμᾶς καὶ μάθετε ἀπ’ ἐμοῦ, ὅτι πράος εἰμι καὶ ταπεινὸς τῇ καρδίᾳ, καὶ εὑρήσετε ἀνάπαυσιν ταῖς ψυχαῖς ὑμῶν· ὁ γὰρ ζυγός μου χρηστὸς καὶ τὸ φορτίον μου ἐλαφρόν ἐστιν.

"Come to Me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light."

Context
Invitation to the Weary: Jesus extends an open invitation to those who are spiritually and physically exhausted, weighed down by sin, legalistic burdens, or life’s hardships.

The Yoke of Christ: The metaphor of a yoke signifies submission to Christ’s teaching and way of life. Unlike the yoke of religious legalism or sin, Christ’s yoke is described as "easy" (χρηστός, meaning kind, good) and His burden as "light."

Learning from Christ: Jesus presents Himself as a teacher characterized by gentleness (πράος) and humility (ταπεινὸς), in contrast to harsh taskmasters or burdensome systems of religion.

Rest for the Soul: The promise of rest (ἀνάπαυσιν) emphasizes spiritual peace and renewal found in a relationship with Christ.
Implications

The verse calls for a spirit of meekness, both in how we bear burdens and in how we relate to others. It challenges any behavior resembling a harsh taskmaster and invites reflection on Christ’s gentle and humble example.

Learn some meekness-you are a hard taskmaster to others and practice WHAT you preach.

J.

 

[Episkopos]

Hello Epi , long time no see, hope you are well.

I am here about a week by now and I really wonder why you think the members don't fear the Lord, it is certainly not my impression. Perhaps you can elaborate with a couple of examples? Thanks in advance.

The imagination is a powerful thing. It allows for people to think they are doing much better than they actually are. As such, basic teachings and warnings go unheeded because that same imagination will grasp at fables if they sound good to carnal ears. The modern religious interpretation sees naming and claiming as the way to get things for free that Jesus said were very difficult and costly. Once a person has accepted that level of indoctrination and conditioning, the outer man ego will attack and smear anyone who tries pointing out the truth..and challenge all the assumptions. A fool only looks for agreement from others. A shallow grasp wants to be assured that the fantasy one has adopted is reasonable. The bible is written as a trap for those who are unable to bring a proper discernment...having once been attracted to the promises that are not meant for them in their current condition. If these would not try teaching their harmful doctrines, all would be well. But the state of the flesh is that it will always take the easy way out. So then these poison the well for others who likewise have no experience with the power of the cross.

And how are you doing! ;)

 

[ProDeo]

The imagination is a powerful thing. It allows for people to think they are doing much better than they actually are.

And how do you know that?

Your last 3-4 posts are full of condemnations (actually rants) on a lot of people here that are sincere followers of the Lord, hence I ask you kindly to provide examples to proof your accusations. Being anointed obliges.

And how are you doing! ;)

I may not complain, thank you.

 

[Johann]

And how do you know that?

Your last 3-4 posts are full of condemnations (actually rants) on a lot of people here that are sincere followers of the Lord, hence I ask you kindly to provide examples to proof your accusations. Being anointed obliges.

I may not complain, thank you.

Welcome to this forum, @ProDeo. I am beginning to respect you, as you stand for the truth to the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

What a wonderful salvation has been accomplished for us, as it is written: "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not from works, so that no one can boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9).

We are also sealed with the Holy Spirit, just as the Scripture declares: "In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory" (Ephesians 1:13-14).

What a precious truth and assurance we have in Christ!

God bless and stay strong.

Johann

 

[Lizbeth]

Your opinion of Epi..not mine.

I am Born Of The Spirit, I know that 100% in my heart/ spirit.

Do you know God in your heart/ spirit? do you know that his seed remains in your spirit?

That’s where you need to know the word of God, through his Living messenger the Holy Spirit, only he can testify of Gods truth your heart/ spirit...no bible can do that, the Bible confirms, what the Spirit witnesses to our heart/ spirit.

You have no need to have care for my spirit, it’s in the Love Of Christ.

You and a few others have shown no love of God to Epi, who loves him as much as he loves us, you are a load of bullies!!..my opinion

Why is it that you have no problem at all with Epi's horrendous ad hominem bullying of those who disagree with any part of his teachings? It's the worst I think I've ever seen.

 

[ProDeo]

Amen Johann and thank you.

 

[Ritajanice]

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

Why is it that you have no problem at all with Epi's horrendous ad hominem bullying of those who disagree with any part of his teachings? It's the worst I think I've ever seen.

Why are you such a hypocrite?

Matthew 7:3-5​

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3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye

Romans 2:1-24 CEV. Some of you accuse others of doing wrong. But there is no excuse for what you do. When you judge others, you condemn yourselves, because you are guilty of doing the very same things

 

[Episkopos]

Why is it that you have no problem at all with Epi's horrendous ad hominem bullying of those who disagree with any part of his teachings? It's the worst I think I've ever seen.

This ad hominem on me that you are ranting about shows me how accurately I'm targeting your religious aspirations. I know the difference between the outer man that puffs itself up...and the inner man that embraces the fear of the Lord...since there is no more confidence in the fleshly ego.

People come to my threads and try to shout me off of it. Using backward arguments...like I'm the troll on my own threads. That's how subtle and deceived trolls are. So the world you see is upside down. People will see themselves in my words...because I'm stating the truth. The truth that is resisted sees a person's own sins come to the fore..blaming the light that exposes darkness. Only those with discernment will see it. And that's why the ganging up takes place...the crows looking to hoist the flesh. But I'm speaking the truth...which is hated by the outer man ego. It takes away the religious certainty.

Why do you think that Jesus is coming as a thief?

 

[Ritajanice]

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ A Greeting from Peter (2 Peter 1:1–2) 1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the elect who are exiles of the Dispersion throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, chosena 2according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance. A Living Hope 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birthb into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in various trials 7so that the proven character of your faith—more precious than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 8Though you have not seen Him, you love Him; and though you do not see Him now, you believe in Him and rejoice with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9now that you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls. 10Concerning this salvation, the prophets who foretold the grace to come to you searched and investigated carefully, 11trying to determine the time and setting to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. 12It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, when they foretold the things now announced by those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.

 

[Ritajanice]

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2 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

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4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.




Only those with God's Spirit can understand the truths revealed by God, including Christ crucified for human sinfulness. Those without God's Spirit are limited to what can be observed and worked out with human reason. God's Spirit makes it possible for us to understand and believe spiritual things.

 

[ProDeo]

This ad hominem on me that you are ranting about shows me how accurately I'm targeting your religious aspirations. I know the difference between the outer man that puffs itself up...and the inner man that embraces the fear of the Lord...since there is no more confidence in the fleshly ego.

People come to my threads and try to shout me off of it. Using backward arguments...like I'm the troll on my own threads. That's how subtle and deceived trolls are. So the world you see is upside down. People will see themselves in my words...because I'm stating the truth. The truth that is resisted sees a person's own sins come to the fore..blaming the light that exposes darkness. Only those with discernment will see it. And that's why the ganging up takes place...the crows looking to hoist the flesh. But I'm speaking the truth...which is hated by the outer man ego. It takes away the religious certainty.

Why do you think that Jesus is coming as a thief?

You are not the victim, but the accuser.

 

[marks]

And that's why the ganging up takes place...

What you call ganging up is simply that a lot of people have seen the same thing about you, and have said so. You could accept correction but until now you have not. I truly desire that you would begin to see these things, and work towards something better, and that would be wonderful! It may be very hard to do. But there are many who care about you.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

To all of us.


Romans 2:1-24 CEV. Some of you accuse others of doing wrong. But there is no excuse for what you do. When you judge others, you condemn yourselves, because you are guilty of doing the very same things

 

[Episkopos]

You are not the victim, but the accuser.

I never said I was a victim. I serve God. You are seeing things backward. And those who serve the Lord will get abuse from the religious posturers...as they are corrected. This adds to the glory of those who stand in the truth. So I count myself as blessed.

So have you come here to accuse? Have you watched the video? Do you have anything of import to add to this discussion?

 

[ProDeo]

I never said I was a victim. I serve God. You are seeing things backward. And those who serve the Lord will get abuse from the religious posturers...as they are corrected. This adds to the glory of those who stand in the truth. So I count myself as blessed.

So have you come here to accuse? Have you watched the video? Do you have anything of import to add to this discussion?

Nope, just one friendly advice from Scripture -

James 4:11 Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.
James 4:12 There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

 

[amigo de christo]

Love the Lord your God.

He doesn’t say Love the Bible with all your heart, mind and soul.

Are you in the Love Of God..,,or are you in Love Of the Bible?

Do you know the Love Of God permanently in your spirit?

Rita look again at what you wrote .
And what does charity rejoice in ..................................TRUTH rita . TRUTH .
I REJOICE in the Truth of every lovely word of the LORD , OF the GOSPEL .
Somewhere they convinced you all that those who love the truth in the bible SOMEHOW DONT LOVE GOD .
Rather odd rita . SO i suppose those who hate the truth in the bible DO LOVE GOD .
SINCE when did pointing people to the scriptures to learn and to grow become a NON GOD THING .
when did that happen rita . WHY do you really think people do that .
WHY do you think they try and make it look like people like me who wont budge from the truth in scripture
SEEM as though we somehow DONT have the LOVE OF GOD IN US or LOVE GOD .
I will tell you why . Because these leaders know they cannot overcome the true ones who expose them
THESE leaders KNOW if the people they taught ever once started to heed these men who do warn and remind
all to get in and stay in the bible for themselves , THEM WOLVES WOULD BE OUTTA BUSINESS RITA .
THEY WOULD LOSE their flocks . THEY IN IT FOR THE MONEY baby for the power and control .
WELL i , by grace shall expose their tatics and every last one of them i possibly can . for the wolves and hirlelings who fleece the flocks
that they are . THAT IS WHY they do as they do rita . THEY KNOW if one loves to read the bible
and is encouraged to do so for THEMSELVES , THEN THESE WOLVES ARE GONNA BE EXPOSED .

 

[amigo de christo]

Why is it that you have no problem at all with Epi's horrendous ad hominem bullying of those who disagree with any part of his teachings? It's the worst I think I've ever seen.

Why do you think the leaders of churches sold this idea
about those who love the bible as being in love with a book and not GOD .
Think and ponder on that .
WHY .
Because these wolves in wool KNOW darn well that if people are actually encouraged to get in that bible
to be reading it daily for themselves , THEY OUTTA BUSINESS SISTER . THEY KNOW this .
THEY have always desired the control of the people .
ITS why they make the ones like us who remind all to get into the bible , seem as though somehow
we are comitting idolarty , that we DO not LOVE GOD .
Because a well learned lamb who is in its bible , WONT BE JOINING THAT CHURCH
and that means just a wee bit less in the offering pot sister .
THESE charlatons , these wolves in wool , these hirelings who preach for gain DO NOT LOVE THE SHEEP
they love the worship of men , the money , the easiest road , how to gain more numbers , For mo money .
THEY do not want the people to learn for themselves . cause as i said afore
IF PEOPLE DID THIS for themselves , THESE HIRELINGS WOULD LOSE the control of the people
and that means MONEY sister .

 

[amigo de christo]

Time to expose them all . JESUS said FEED MY SHEEP
NOT FEED YASELVES OFF THE SHEEP .