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[Behold]

I’ve already posted how we’re Born Again,,..I made the point about we get Born Again not biblical,,glad to see you rectified that error.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.,

i just posted to you, a couple of posts, because you wrote ..."we get born again... not biblical".

So, it is biblical, we are born of water, and then we must be born of the Spirit.. (Born....AGAIN) #2 is the spiritual birth.......... as if we are not born again spiritually, then we are not a Christian.

 

[Ritajanice]

What i dont grasp is how folks
can believe one is not TRUSTING IN CHRIST
just because they warn and remind the church TO continue in HIM to the end .
cause paul and others sure reminded the church to do so and even warned of falling away .

, look to him always, what does fall away mean?

 

[Ritajanice]

So, we do not work to get "in Christ"... we are born again to get "IN Christ".

Here it is ..we don’t “ get in Christ”..where does God say that we get in Christ?

 

[Ritajanice]

So, it is biblical, we are born of water, and then we must be born of the Spirit.. (Born....AGAIN) #2 is the spiritual birth..

Amen!

 

[Ritajanice]

Anyone.,,Behold,Amigo ,Marveloustime, Lizbeth,what dos fall away mean?

 

[Behold]

Here it is ..we don’t “ get in Christ”..where does God say that we get in Christ?

Have you become the femail Episkopos?
He has no idea about Christianity, The Cross, or the New Birth......or Forgiveness of sin...>>NOTHING.........nothing.

He can talk all day about "a higher walk in Zion" and then tell you "The Cross is not about forgiveness of Sin".


A. )"New Creation IN Christ"..
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KJ21
Therefore if any man be IN CHRIST, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things have become new.
ASV
Wherefore if any man is IN CHRIST, he is a new creature: the old things are passed away; behold, they are become new.
AMP
Therefore if anyone is IN CHRIST [that is, grafted in, joined to Him by faith in Him as Savior], he is a new creature [reborn and renewed by the Holy Spirit]; the old things [the previous moral and spiritual condition] have passed away. Behold, new things have come [because spiritual awakening brings a new life].
AMPC
Therefore if any person is [ingrafted] IN CHRIST (the Messiah) he is a new creation (a new creature altogether); the old [previous moral and spiritual condition] has passed away. Behold, the fresh and new has come!
BRG
Therefore if any man be IN CHRIST, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
CSB
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, and see, the new has come!
CEB
So then, if anyone is in Christ, that person is part of the new creation. The old things have gone away, and look, new things have arrived!
CJB
Therefore, if anyone is united with the Messiah, he is a new creation — the old has passed; look, what has come is fresh and new!
CEV
Anyone who belongs to Christ is a new person. The past is forgotten, and everything is new.
DARBY
So if any one [be] IN CHRIST, [there is] a new creation; the old things have passed away; behold all things have become new:
DLNT
So then if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things passed-away; behold, new things have come-into-being.
DRA
If then any be in Christ a new creature, the old things are passed away, behold all things are made new.
ERV
When anyone is IN CHRIST, it is a whole new world. The old things are gone; suddenly, everything is new!
EASY
When anyone belongs to Christ, they become a new person. Their old way of life has gone. Their new life has begun!
EHV
So then, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. The new has come!
ESV
Therefore, if anyone is IN CHRIST, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
ESVUK

 

[Behold]

Anyone.,,Behold,Amigo ,Marveloustime, Lizbeth,what dos fall away mean?

There are 2 places in the NT where this idea of "falling away" is found.

One is regarding the JEWS, who are not saved.. and are willingly rejecting their messiah, and they have been enlightened by the Holy Ghost, and KNOW that Jesus is their Messiah... and Paul tells them..... Now that you KNOW... now that you have '"Tasted thew Heavenly Gift.".. (that is the HS showing them the truth)... if you "fall away"....= ("""If you refuse willfully to Trust in Jesus, now that you KNOW He is your Messiah", then "there remains no more sacrifice for your sin".

Why not? Its because Jesus is the only Sacrifice for sin.....so, if you reject Him, you "rejected THE ONLY SACRIFICE"..


THen..

There is.. a Christian who has lost real faith, and become a person who is trying to stay saved.. by THEIR effort.

That one Paul teaches is.. "Fallen From GRACE".

 

[Ritajanice]

Have you become the femail Episkopos

I just pointed out your error, you then rectified your error,..as Gods word says we are “In Christ”

You added your own word to scripture.

You said we “ get in Christ “ you added “ get”therefore not biblical and very confusing.

 

[Ritajanice]

There is.. a Christian who has lost real faith,

Interesting.

I don’t believe a Born Again can lose faith as faith is a gift from God,

2:25), faith is also a supernatural gift of God. Ephesians 2:8–9affirms this: “By grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”



therefore imo, impossible to lose it..once Born Of The Spirit always Born Of The Spirit.

God’s seed remains in us ..as his word says.

Maybe some hear the word, but the word/seed must penetrate the heart/ spirit take up residence in their heat/ spirit, Faith is a gift from God and only God via His Spirit.

 

[Behold]

I just pointed out your error, you then rectified your error,..as Gods word says we are “In Christ”

You added your own word to scripture.

Here is now we "get in Christ".

= We are "born again".

This means we are now '"In Christ", as you "get in Christ" by being born again.

There are people who say...>>"you have to abide in Christ" or you lose your salvation.
In fact, the only way to abide there.. ( to be there).. is to be Born again "IN Christ".

 

[Ritajanice]

Here is now we "get in Christ".

= We are "born again".

This means we are now '"In Christ", as you "get in Christ" by being born again.

There are people who say...>>"you have to abide in Christ" or you lose your salvation.
In fact, the only way to abide there.. ( to be there).. is to be Born again "IN Christ".

No one knows how to become Born Of The Spirit..and your post is confusing, therefore I reject your teaching that you can become Born Again by your own will, plus it’s not biblical.

We are Born Again by the will of God, just as his word says.

Spirit gives birth to spirit = by supernatural , divine , heart,revelation.

Not going over the same ground..I’m obedient to God and what I believe he wanted / promoted me to post to you.....you can’t muzzle the word of God just because you don’t agree with it, imo..good day and God Bless.

 

[Behold]

Interesting.

I don’t believe a Born Again can lose faith

Paul said.. "who has bewitched you, that you no longer OBEY the Truth".. ????

So what is that referring to ??????

A.) The Truth that is : "the Gospel"

So to no longer ..>>"OBEY the Gospel".......is to no longer BELIEVE IT... Yet you are still a CHRISTIAN..., and that is most people who claim they are a Christian.

So, if you not longer OBEY IT, = you longer believe it.....so, you are "fallen from Grace'"..

Why "Grace"?

Its because The Gospel, is …: "The Gospel of the GRACE of God".

What is that "Grace">?

Its this.>>>"while we were YET Sinners, Christ died for us"..... and when a person does not believe this anymore, they teach this..

= "Yes i know that Jesus saved me.........but He does not KEEP ME Saved"

= "Yes i know that Jesus saved me......but Now i have to Keep myself saved.. and here is my LIST of thing i have to do, so that i dont lose my Salvation"

See that person?
They are "fallen from Grace".......they are "In the Flesh".. (Carnal minded).
They have no faith in Christ........and that is why they are trying to keep themselves Saved... And that is why they want to try to prove that Salvation can be lost.... = They have no Real faith in Christ, as if they did, they would BELIEVE... that Jesus KEEPS them Saved.... and would not be "fallen from Grace".....trying to keep themselves saved.

See, REAL GENUINE FAITH In Christ......>Is... "Jesus who saved me.....KEEPS ME Saved"..

And when the CHRISTian no longer believes ALL THAT.. then they are "not obeying the Gospel".. they are "in the Flesh".. they are "fallen from Grace"..... They "do not believe THE TRUTH"...

 

[Ritajanice]

Paul said.. "who has bewitched you, that you no longer OBEY the Truth".. ????

So what is that referring to ??????

A.) The Truth that is : "the Gospel"

The truth comes from Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit, he is the one @Behold who indwells our heart/ spirit, the gospel doesn’t indwell my heart,.i never became Born Of The Spirit by hearing the gospel, that makes not one ounce of sense to me.

So to no longer ..>>"OBEY the Gospel".......is to no longer BELIEVE IT... Yet you are still a CHRISTIAN..., and that is most people who claim they are a Christian.

I don’t obey the gospel, I obey the Spirit..I’m in Gods will and Born Of The Spirit, it would be impossible for me not to know Jesus, when my spirit has been Born Again of imperishable seed...a Living seed the Holy Spirit who penetrated my heart/spirit and has taken up permanent residence.he testifies Of God’s truth to my heart/ spirit, all day long, every day.

So, if you not longer OBEY IT, = you longer believe it.....so, you are "fallen from Grace'"..

Makes no sense to my spirit, we understand being Born Again very differently..to understand in Spirit one must be gifted supernatural faith ,by the Spirit , the Holy Spirit..,with respect your teaching does not resonate with my spirit.,,maybe a little at times.

Why "Grace"?

Its because The Gospel, is …: "The Gospel of the GRACE of God".

What is that "Grace">?

Its this.>>>"while we were YET Sinners, Christ died for us"..... and when a person does not believe this anymore, they teach this..

= "Yes i know that Jesus saved me.........but He does not KEEP ME Saved"

= "Yes i know that Jesus saved me......but Now i have to Keep myself saved.. and here is my LIST of thing i have to do, so that i dont lose my Salvation"

See that person?
They are "fallen from Grace".......they are "In the Flesh".. (Carnal minded).
They have no faith in Christ........and that is why they are trying to keep themselves Saved... And that is why they want to try to prove that Salvation can be lost.... = They have no Real faith in Christ, as if they did, they would BELIEVE... that Jesus KEEPS them Saved.... and would not be "fallen from Grace".....trying to keep themselves saved.

See, REAL GENUINE FAITH In Christ......>Is... "Jesus who saved me.....KEEPS ME Saved"..

And when the CHRISTian no longer believes ALL THAT.. then they are "not obeying the Gospel".. they are "in the Flesh".. they are "fallen from Grace".

Don’t understand any of your interpretation of scripture here.

God witnessed to my spirit that I have been Born Again of imperishable seed.Born Of God, His seed remains in me..plus God says that Jesus will never lose one of who the Father has given him

Spirit gives birth to spirit = supernatural , divine, heart, revelation..,the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.

God has gifted us his supernatural faith and that faith, because it’s been gifted by God, we are in Christ...and will remain in Christ.
Our faith can never be broken, because we have supernatural faith, gifted by God.
The bewitched that you speak of, has got nothing to do with those whose spirit has been Born Again.

You voiced your opinion of what you believe that scripture to be saying..does not resonate with my spirit.

Therefore I rebuke it. good day and God Bless.

 

[IronMaiden]

Anyone.,,Behold,Amigo ,Marveloustime, Lizbeth,what dos fall away mean?

… it means deceived Christians who will turn away from the true Jesus, especially in the latter days when the antichrist is here claiming to be Jesus.

 

[Ritajanice]

… it means deceived Christians who will turn away from the true Jesus, especially in the latter days when the antichrist is here claiming to be Jesus.

Matthew 24:24

King James Version

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24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

 

[Marvelloustime]

We know being a christain is not what we did but rather by GOD and HIS CHRIST we became .
Salvation is NOT something we do . Christ did all that was necessary .
What many dont realize , however , is that every word from warning to promise works to the good
of the church .
That has been my problem with OSAS . it has twisted certain doctrines and omitted the severity of GOD
WHEN we should have been beholding BOTH . THERE is GOOD reason why CHRIST and later the apostels
said . We already know the SPIRIT is the one that is even giving us the desires and abliity
to do the things pleasing IN HIS sight .

@amigo de christo

 

[Ritajanice]

 

[IronMaiden]

Matthew 24:24​

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King James Version​

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24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Yes.

hmmm… Why is it okay when you post scripture and yet you tell me not to?

 

[IronMaiden]

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (NKJV) 1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes.

hmmm… Why is it okay when you post scripture and yet you tell me not to?

I said no such thing, I said scripture doesn’t birth our spirit, that is what I tried to explain to you.

Scripture is not the Living Holy Spirit..you post scripture til your heart s content my friend.