Work out your own Salvation?

[1stCenturyLady]

Does Gods seed remain in you?

Yes as long as you abide in Him. Study the whole chapter of 1 John 3. That is the first type of sin that is taken away - Lawlessness, which are sins unto death. Then Jesus starts us on a life-long process of glorification, making us like Christ, Romans 8:29-30, 2 Peter 1:5-11 to make us finally perfect where we never stumble.

A Born Again does not sin because they have been Born of God and his

What seed?

Jesus was born from it so His nature never wanted to sin. We are born again to cleanse our desire to sin. 1 John 3:8-9

It’s all very well posting and quoting scripture, you must know God in your heart/ spirit....

The Spirit keeps me abiding in the true vine, now you tell me how I would know that?

Stay in the Word every day.

And how do you do that...not true, you keep yourself abiding in Jesus is work based.

Who keeps us abiding in the True Vine?

If you miss a day, you'll feel it drawing you. That is because He is abiding IN you just as you are abiding IN Him.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes as long as you abide in Him. Study the whole chapter of 1 John 3. That is the first type of sin that is taken away - Lawlessness, which are sins unto death. Then Jesus starts us on a life-long process of glorification, making us like Christ, Romans 8:29-30, 2 Peter 1:5-11 to make us finally perfect where we never stumble.

Did you read my post, I am Born Of God, His seed remains in me?..therefore I can no longer sin...

Does the seed of God remain in you,?

Jesus was born from it so His nature never wanted to sin. We are born again to cleanse our desire to sin. 1 John 3:8-9

We are Born Of The Spirit, Gods Spirit His Holy Spirit cannot penetrate the heart of an unforgiven sinner and take up residence in their spirit, their sins must be forgiven by God first..then as his word says.

A Born Again cannot go on sinning because they have been Born Of God and his seed remains in them!

Stay in the Word every day.

If you miss a day, you'll feel it drawing you. That is because He is abiding IN you just as you are abiding IN Him.

I stay in the word, via the Holy Spirit, not by self effort .

The Holy Spirit keeps me in the word.

 

[amigo de christo]

And tell me how I can forsake him, when I have been Born Of His seed?

Whose Imperishable / incorruptible seed, have we been Born Again of..that liveth and abideth forever?

Jesus the Bread of Life
…38For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me. 39And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of thoseHe has given Me, but raise them up at thelast day. 40For it is My Father’s will that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

many claim to be born of his seed . But many have not been . that is what i am talking about .
and those born of the seed would remind those born of the seed of all things JESUS said and taught .
Keep the latter in mind as well .
Lets look again also at verse forty . MAN i see that WORD BELEIVE AGAIN . i sure dont see that word
coming from many lips today as i REMIND all , that all other religions are false and BELIEVE NOT HE IS the CHRIST .
Folks on this site even listen to EPI , WHO by his own confession is inclusivist .
Its odd . both me and epi expose the false hyper grace movement
and YET HE preaches something far more dangerous than the very hyper grace he does speak against .
Many can preach partial truths and SOUND very convincing .
VERY convincing . But when they put the cart before the horse and attack those who dare to remind
of the dire need to BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST , they are doing all in vain . all of it is in vain sister .
EERY last bit of it in vain
many can teach aspects of the golden rule , aspects of what CHRIST taught and yet NOT EVEN KNOW HIM .
the dire need of having to first believe on JESUS the CHRIST , that seems to be being removed FROM every
mindset no matter what other stuff they teach .
HAve ya noticed that yet . in other words it seems this generation spends all its time
trying to push another love , another idea , ideas about HOW folks will be saved EVEN IF THEY BELIEVE NOT JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
ITS ALL I SEE in most now . Rather than PREACHING THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM
they air condition hell and speak about how we got good people in all religoins doing the best they can .
ITS ALL A PHARCE . Never forget WHO i point too and WHO I ALWAYS REMIND ALL of the absolute dire need
TO BELIEVE ON HIM . THERE is no false hope from this lamb . ITS JESUS i will point too . INCLUDING ALL HIS TEACHINGS .

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes as long as you abide in Him

Don’t agree, we are Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever...the Spirit keeps me abiding in the true vine....

You can’t not abide in him, if you have been Born Of The Spirit...

His Spirit has permanently indwelled my spirit for the past 33yrs, never felt so much security in all of my life...The Spirit can never leave my spirit,Praise God!

Oh to be truly loved by the Spirit Of God...mind Blowing..thank you Lord that I have your witness indwelling my Spirit 24/7..never ever to leave.

 

[amigo de christo]

Don’t agree, we are Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever...the Spirit keeps me abiding in the true vine....

You can’t not abide in him, if you have been Born Of The Spirit...

are all the warnings JESUS gave , and later the apostels gave , and later from HEAVEN JESUS gave to the churches
ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT BORN AGAIN .
no . IT was a warning for all . So when i say YE must continue in HIM
and when paul and others warned the church the same . You gonna say all them reminders
do not apply to the born again . WHEN it was the BORN AGAIN that gave those reminders . the apostels were born again
and they sure seemed to warn and to remind THE Church about having to continue in HIM .
Many do not realize that the very warnings themselves came From the SPIRIT and that those reminders
AS WELL as EVERY REMINDER , as well as every lovely word of truth , IS FOR THE BELIEVER .
I am fully convinced that even all things written and all examples left to us IN the bible
are meant for OUR GOOD and not our destruction .
GOD knows , CHRIST knows , The SPIRIT knows HOW to keep the church safe and from falling .
I suggest we heed ALL OF IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Ive not accused anyone.

And do realize that this member came to me.... posted to me.. .their verses that they try to present as evidence that Salvation is only as good as your BEHAVIOR.

They are trying to prove that they can lose their Salvation.
So, my response is..= When you do that, you are proving that you do not believe that Jesus keeps you saved...... as if you believe that Jesus keeps you saved, you wont be trying to prove that He doesn't.

See, when a person is trying to use verses to prove that Salvation can be LOST.....then that person is trying to prove that Jesus does not Keep us Saved.

That somehow the Blood, Death, and Resurrection of Jesus has FAILED US ALL !

Understand? ?

So, if Jesus doesn't keep you saved...., then WHO DOES ?

A.) There is only one Savior.....and that is not the person trying to keep from losing their Salvation.

TRUST is CHRIST Instead.

How many times did JESUS and later the apostels go around using the Word BELEIVE .
so how come when i do it is it seen as legalism and accused of being works .
Let me leave us with a reminder .
What must i do to be saved . take note the answer given by paul and silas
to the jailer was not , OH that depends on whether you were PREDESTINED to be saved or go to HELL .
THEY SAID YE MUST BELIEVE . i am so wore out with calvansitic mindsets .
GOD pre determined THIS . take note reader and all . THAT HE WOULD SEND JESUS THE CHRIST
and that all who DID BELIEVE WOULD BE SAVED . that is what HE pre determined . i am so wore out
with this pre destination calivnistic junk . WE GOTS TO PREACH JESUS to these souls .

 

[Ritajanice]

are all the warnings JESUS gave , and later the apostels gave , and later from HEAVEN JESUS gave to the churches
ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT BORN AGAIN .
no . IT was a warning for all . So when i say YE must continue in HIM
and when paul and others warned the church the same . You gonna say all them reminders
do not apply to the born again . WHEN it was the BORN AGAIN that gave those reminders . the apostels were born again
and they sure seemed to warn and to remind THE Church about having to continue in HIM .
Many do not realize that the very warnings themselves came From the SPIRIT and that those reminders
AS WELL as EVERY REMINDER , as well as every lovely word of truth , IS FOR THE BELIEVER .
I am fully convinced that even all things written and all examples left to us IN the bible
are meant for OUR GOOD and not our destruction .
GOD knows , CHRIST knows , The SPIRIT knows HOW to keep the church safe and from falling .
I suggest we heed ALL OF IT .

Sorry Brother I don’t agree.

God brought me to salvation and he chose to birth me in the Spirit, I’m his child and the Holy Spirit leads me, i strive not, he has gifted me discernment ,there is no way that anyone can pluck me out of his hands.

I’m 100% sure in the knowledge that the Spirit will always keep me in the true vine...I have no fear in Christ,Gods perfect love cast out all fear.

This child is in the love of God...not in fear of doing something wrong, once again that would be working for our salvation @amigo de christo ..so agree to disagree Brother.

 

[amigo de christo]

Sorry Brother I don’t agree.

God brought me to salvation and he chose to birth me in the Spirit, I’m his child and the Holy Spirit leads me, i strive not, he has gifted me discernment ,there is no way that anyone can pluck me out of his hands.

I’m 100% sure in the knowledge that the Spirit will always keep me in the true vine...

I understand that , that is not what is being attacked . But if we say we trust in CHRIST
then we ought to trust and believe HIS words .
that is what i am saying . Its like a child following his father and then another child comes along
and tries to convince him He will be fine no matter what , even if he dont continue to follow his father .
THERE is a reason WHY JESUS told them YE MUST CONTINUE IN ME and later paul would warn the churches too .
There is a reason WHY GOD said everything HE SAID . that is my point .
And while it breaks my heart about EPI , HE is dangerous sister and for some reason i dont think you see that at all .
I dont understand why that is . Either you have not seen all he has said , or i pray i am wrong about what i say next
and that you have seen it and yet beleive it . I have to hope you have not seen ALL he has said .
that rather you see only glimpses and yet do not truly know what he is about .
I smelled right through him at the first . but you may not have seen what he said at the first .
I cant , or i dont want to believe that you would ever beleive in any way , shape or form
that very cleverly wrapped lie of anti christ that has come to make us beleive all religoins are okay as long as one
so called pratices the golden rule . cause THEY DONT . IF THEY ACTUALLY DID THEY WOULD HAVE BELEIVED JESUS IS THE CHRIST
and then loved thier neighbor as their self . TRYING TO LOVE your neighbor as yourself
and following another false religoin is vain .
cause HE who follows another religoin cannot love their neighbor , nOT IN TRUTH .
i mean HOW IS LEAVING ONE IN A LIE of UNBELIEF , LOVING THEM . its not . its not sister . ITS NOT .
IF WE DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST , THEN WE HAVE NOT THE LOVE , THE WORD , THE TRUTH OF GOD IN US .

 

[Behold]

How many times did JESUS and later the apostels go around using the Word BELEIVE .

Being born again, happens once.........and this spiritual birth lasts forever.

This Spiritual Birth, places the Believer in spiritual union with ETERNAL God... as "one with God", and "in Christ".

Listen..

Eternal LIFE is a GIFT from GOD, that every CHRISTIAN possesses, and Eternal life is not.....Temporary.

We dont have to keep believing this will happen., at some point.
What we do, is BELIEVE that its happened, as being born again is the PROOF.
John said you can "KNOW you have Eternal Life, and this LIFE is in HIS SON".. and every Christian is "IN CHRIST"..

Faith, does not save us.
Faith is not the Savior.

Did faith die on the Cross for our sin?

OUR Faith, is simply what we Give to God, so that God then gives us what Christ has accomplished on The Cross, which is ETERNAL Salvation = Redemption.
See, What Christ has FINISHED on The CROSS...., is ETERNAL, and that is why it keeps saving people TOMORROW as well as TODAY.

So, once we are SAVED, by what CHRIST has Accomplished,...... then our Salvation is a certainty, because OUR Redemption in Christ lasts as long as Jesus lives.

 

[Ritajanice]

And while it breaks my heart about EPI , HE is dangerous sister and for some reason i dont think you see that at all

He’s not dangerous to me, why would he be when I have been gifted discernment, Epi could no longer lead me astray any more than you or anyone else can...I’m under the guidance of the Living Holy Spirit.who happens to indwell my spirit.

Whose he dangerous to then?

Admin don’t think he is, otherwise they would have banned him..he’s been here for years.

Anyway I don’t read his posts anymore , purely because I don’t understand them.

His understanding of spiritual matters is different to mine imo...I think everyone’s is to be honest, not just Epi.

 

[amigo de christo]

Sorry Brother I don’t agree.

God brought me to salvation and he chose to birth me in the Spirit, I’m his child and the Holy Spirit leads me, i strive not, he has gifted me discernment ,there is no way that anyone can pluck me out of his hands.

I’m 100% sure in the knowledge that the Spirit will always keep me in the true vine...I have no fear in Christ,Gods perfect love cast out all fear.

This child is in the love of God...not in fear of doing something wrong, once again that would be working for our salvation @amigo de christo ..so agree to disagree Brother.

Do you believe that man can save himself . if you said no , RIGHT YOU are sister .
I already know you believe certain things sister .
i am just saying that all them warnings are also for the good of the believer too .
I by grace and beleive you me when i say BY GRACE , know exactly WHO saves us and keeps us .
all his warnings are all a part of keeping us safe . that is what i am trying to remind you .
No matter what NEVER TRUST IN YOURSELF . that is a huge mistake . Just TRUST IN CHRIST
in ALL THINGS HE said and taught .

 

[Ritajanice]

Do you believe that man can save himself . if you said no , RIGHT YOU are sister .
I already know you believe certain things sister .
i am just saying that all them warnings are also for the good of the believer too .
I by grace and beleive you me when i say BY GRACE , know exactly WHO saves us and keeps us .
all his warnings are all a part of keeping us safe . that is what i am trying to remind you .
No matter what NEVER TRUST IN YOURSELF . that is a huge mistake . Just TRUST IN CHRIST
in ALL THINGS HE said and taught .

Ok, understood...beware of false prophets,etc,etc....trust in God not self etc, etc, @amigo de christo..trust in God where that darn enemy shows his ugly mug etc etc.i do understand what you are saying @amigo de christo .

 

[amigo de christo]

Being born again, happens once.........and this spiritual birth lasts forever.

This Spiritual Birth, places the Believer in spiritual union with ETERNAL God... as "one with God", and "in Christ".

Listen..

Eternal LIFE is a GIFT from GOD, that every CHRISTIAN possesses, and Eternal life is not.....Temporary.

We dont have to keep believing this will happen., at some point.
What we do, is BELIEVE that its happened, as being born again is the PROOF.
John said you can "KNOW you have Eternal Life, and this LIFE is in HIS SON".. and every Christian is "IN CHRIST"..

Faith, does not save us.
Faith is not the Savior.

Did faith die on the Cross for our sin?

OUR Faith, is simply what we Give to God, so that God then gives us what Christ has accomplished on The Cross, which is ETERNAL Salvation = Redemption.
See, What Christ has FINISHED on The CROSS...., is ETERNAL, and that is why it keeps saving people TOMORROW as well as TODAY.

So, once we are SAVED, by what CHRIST has Accomplished,...... then our Salvation is a certainty, because OUR Redemption in Christ lasts as long as Jesus lives.

rather odd , i was simply talking about the dire need to beleive . and sadly you didnt even seem to agree with that .
All i heard was OSAS from ya .
SO lets do this again .
HOW COME when men like me come constantly reminding all OF THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE
is somehow that seen as a works concept . HMMM . have ya ever thought about that .
IT seems like almost everything is legalsim these days .
So again i remind us all . WHERE IS MY SIN in constantly reminding the church and all
TO NOT fall for the lie that tries to imply and find a way around having TO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST
even going as far as to accuse those WHO WONT BUDGE and DO STAND on that TRUTH, that somehow we leglistic
that somehow telling someone THEY MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST is a works , an act of legalism .
LIke i said , i am wore out with calivinism and its influences .
NOW PULL them boots of the true gospel , that does save , ON and get busy reminding this
lost generation OF THE DIRE NEED TOBELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
false hope IS NOT HOPE . false love IS NOT LOVE . ALL other religoins Serve satan . THERE I SAID IT
just as do the atheist . THEY can try all day to follow what they THINK is love ya neighbor , BUT IT WONT SAVE THEM .
YOU SEE . A LIE DONT SAVE . IT DESTROYES . TIME we preach to all THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST
and to teach ALL , not some , ALL THINGS HE Did teach and later the apostels taught .
cause boy do i have a serious news flash for us . NOT PAUL , NOT PETER , NOT JAMES , NOT JUDE , preached contrary to CHRIST
nor to one another . THERE are not two gosples either . ONE GOSPEL , SAMEONE , to the jew and to the gentile .
HOPE that helps .

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Don’t agree, we are Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever...the Spirit keeps me abiding in the true vine....

You can’t not abide in him, if you have been Born Of The Spirit...

His Spirit has permanently indwelled my spirit for the past 33yrs, never felt so much security in all of my life...The Spirit can never leave my spirit,Praise God!

Oh to be truly loved by the Spirit Of God...mind Blowing..thank you Lord that I have your witness indwelling my Spirit 24/7..never ever to leave.

RJ, I've looked at the warnings in the Bible about those who expected to go to heaven because they at one time had the Spirit and even operated in the gifts of the Spirit. So why did Jesus say to them, "Depart from me, I never knew you." Lately, I've come to the conclusion they did not continue abiding In Him. Here is one of those warnings.

John 15:1 "2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away.

6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

 

[amigo de christo]

Ok, understood...beware of false prophets,etc,etc....trust in God not self etc, etc, @amigo de christo..trust in God where that darn enemy shows his ugly mug etc etc.i do understand what you are saying @amigo de christo .

trivia question time my dear sister . i want to see how you respond .
When i warn and remind all of the dire necessity to BELEIVE JESUS is the CHRIST
and that all are under ONLY the sway of satan and cannot be pulled out from HIS SWAY
LEST , LEST THEY COME to the saving FAITH OF JESUS THE CHRIST
and men then say , HEY judger , you are dead wrong
their are GOOD people who do good in every religoin .
But i then say , OKAY SHOW ME ONE WHO IS GOOD according to GOD
meanwhile allow me to POINT YOU and THEM to THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS AND IS GOOD
and CAN save them , can deliver them OUT OF THE DARKNESS of satan . WHICH BE JESUS THE CHRIST .
TELL ME SIS , where i am WRONG OR JUDGING OR BEING HATEFUL IN THAT .

 

[amigo de christo]

RJ, I've looked at the warnings in the Bible about those who expected to go to heaven because they at one time had the Spirit and even operated in the gifts of the Spirit. So why did Jesus say to them, "Depart from me, I never knew you." Lately, I've come to the conclusion they did not continue abiding In Him. Here is one of those warnings.

John 15:1 "2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away

THEY did not continue in HIM . They were never OF HIM .
had they been OF HIM , no doubt they would have continued with us .
But always remember the born again apostels DID WARN ALL MEMEBERS of THE CHURCH of the DIRE NEED TO CONTINUE IN HIM .
see that is where osas MESSES THINGS UP . it dont bring no warnings , RATHER it twists any warning
to rather fit an acroymn . That is why i have a problem with OSAS DOCTRINE . its the doctrines it omits and twists .

 

[Ritajanice]

. So when i say YE must continue in HIM

I have thrown many a hissy fit with the Lord, I have seen me stomping the ground when he has sent me on a mission,then after a while when the task in hand is imo making no progress,I tell him I ain’t doing this no more, that’s how real I can be with God,..well ,let me tell you, he takes me back to that task at hand by his power within me, and the job gets done, I spent 4 yrs on a task for God, I could not leave that task, not until he said I could leave it, that is my testimony / belief..some missions that God sends us on can drain us...because we keep relying on self to get the job done ..instead of believing and trusting on God to get the job done.

 

[amigo de christo]

I have thrown many a hissy fit with the Lord, I have seen me stomping the ground when he has sent me on a mission,then after a while when the task in hand is imo making no progress,I tell him I ain’t doing this no more, that’s how real I can be with God,..well ,let me tell you, he takes me back to that task at hand by his power within me, and the job gets done, I spent 4 yrs on a task for God, I could not leave that task, not until he said I could leave it, that is my testimony / belief..some missions that God sends us on can drain us...because we keep relying on self to get the job done ..instead of believing and trusting on God to get the job done.

THEREIN does lie the problem and that problem DOES wear folks out . YOU HIT a nail in sister .
You see too many get wrapped up with HOW can WE DO THIS OR THAT
rather than just speaking the truth and LETTING GOD add who HE GONNA ADD
they get busy focusing on HOW THEY CAN GET THE JOB DONE .
this leads and can lead to far worse things too . YOU see on that path
many can get weary and get to thinking HEY mabye if i tone down the truth
a bit and maybe if i just preach things THEY want to hear THEN MY CHURCH WILL GROW .
WELL GROW IT DOES , BUT SO DO THE LEAVEN SISTER .
THE KEY IS , we aint squat sister . we are but messengers sent to procliam truth .
GOD WILL ADD whom HE adds . we are not to alter or change the message TO ADD .
Also even JEREMIAH once got hasty and decided HE would no longer preach the WORD
BUT MAN DID THE SPIRIT BURN WITHIN HIM TILL HE DID HAVE TO OPEN THAT MOUTH AND JUST CONTINUE ON .

 

[Ritajanice]

RJ, I've looked at the warnings in the Bible about those who expected to go to heaven because they at one time had the Spirit and even operated in the gifts of the Spirit. So why did Jesus say to them, "Depart from me, I never knew you." Lately, I've come to the conclusion they did not continue abiding In Him. Here is one of those warnings.

John 15:1 "2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away.

You must be grafted in to the true vine by God..many false branches out there...a Born Again who has been grafted in by God, will never be thrown into the fire..only the false ones.

6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

Thanks for voicing your opinion.

My answer to that is..they were never truly Born Again in the first place, by the Living Spirit Of God.

There is no fear in my heart and I know the Spirit will always keep me abiding in the true vine..only Gods Living witness can give me that security by divine heart revelation....and I have it 24/7.

 

[amigo de christo]

I have thrown many a hissy fit with the Lord, I have seen me stomping the ground when he has sent me on a mission,then after a while when the task in hand is imo making no progress,I tell him I ain’t doing this no more, that’s how real I can be with God,..well ,let me tell you, he takes me back to that task at hand by his power within me, and the job gets done, I spent 4 yrs on a task for God, I could not leave that task, not until he said I could leave it, that is my testimony / belief..some missions that God sends us on can drain us...because we keep relying on self to get the job done ..instead of believing and trusting on God to get the job done.

It can often appear that the task at hand might in OUR OPINION , be making no progress .
It can happen dear sister . a few years back
after for many years i had been warning and reminding others
i got a bit down cause few to none were hearing it . I even wrote on a site
that i dont believe i have ever helped one person .
Now sit down sister cause
all of a sudden another person came on and said THIS IS NOT TRUE .
I was listening to you , you helped pull me out of some stuff . I NEVER KNEW THIS SISTER .
NOT TILL that day . WE may not always see the increase and we do not know WHO IS READING what we say
behind the scenes . LET us not give up sister . MARCH ON , the LORD WILL ADD whom HE ADDS
just let us never ADD TOO or take from HIS WORD . JUST speak the truth . its all we can do by the power of HIS GRACE
is just speak the truth .