Work out your own Salvation?

[Ritajanice]

It’s our mindset that needs to get on the right track, it’s called the renewing of our minds,

A demon cannot and does not/ cannot indwell the Born Again, the enemy can only attack your mind, as you grow and mature in Christ, you can easily recognise when the enemy is trying to get in your head space..
The Living seed of God ( Holy Spirit) indwells our spirit, the enemy cannot indwell a believer spirit, once their spirit has become Born of God.

 

[Behold]

Jesus said that we should repent unless something worse befalls us...AFTER being saved.

Actually Jesus never told a Christian that, at all.

Jesus said that to JEWS, who were not CHRISTians, as Jesus had not died on The Cross Yet.
And now that Jesus has become.....>>"GOD hath made JESUS...to be SIN for us".. .then all of God's judgment against sin, has been satisfied by the SLAUGHTER of His Son.

Understand that Cross yet? @Episkopos ?

So, the Born Again Believer will never face God's anger........because Jesus has borne it ALL for the CHRISTIAN 2000 yrs ago.


Your bizarre theology is, not connected to Christianity, is like a HandBook of Crazy ideas.... that reveals that you have no understanding of God's Salvation.

Zero.

 

[Episkopos]

Actually Jesus never told a Christian that, at all.

Jesus said that to JEWS, who were not CHRISTians, as Jesus had not died on The Cross Yet.
And now that Jesus has become.....>>"GOD hath made JESUS...to be SIN for us".. .then all of God's judgment against sin, has been satisfied by the SLAUGHTER of His Son.

Understand that Cross yet? @Episkopos ?

So, the Born Again Believer will never face God's anger........because Jesus has borne it ALL for the CHRISTIAN 2000 yrs ago.


Your bizarre theology is, not connected to Christianity, is like a HandBook of Crazy ideas.... that reveals that you have no understanding of God's Salvation.

Zero.

Your weird religion has caused you to rail against the teachings of Christ. And you misunderstand Paul to the extreme.

What you are not used to is a follower and disciple of Christ...having thrown in your lot with a reformation make-over of Paul. But there is NO wisdom in this world or the next that contradicts the teachings of Jesus. So you have gone down the wrong path..a LOOONG way down the wrong path. Repent before it's too late.

Notice the warning here... from Paul to YOU. Take this seriously.

1 Tim. 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

I would of course draw away from you...but you follow me around on my threads in order to do as you do...as Paul says you would...causing strife and railing against the truth I teach that actually saves souls from death and dishonour.

You could stop with your evil surmisings of my faithfulness to God of which you know nothing. You don't realize the heavy judgment that awaits you.

 

[Behold]

Your weird religion has caused you to rail against the teachings of Christ. And you misunderstand Paul to the extreme.

Paul's doctrine that is "We preach Christ Crucified" that is "the power of God unto salvation".. that once believed, causes God to give the believer forgiveness of Sin, and then the "imputed righteousness of Christ".. would only seem "weird religion" as you defined Paul's doctrine....= to someone who has not experience it yet.

What you are not used to is a follower and disciple of Christ..

You are a follower of your odd theology that is unrecognizable to a True Born again Christian who has studied the NT under the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

That's a fact.

Notice the warning here... from Paul to YOU. Take this seriously.

1 Tim. 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

@Episkopos ... Its You who need to understand your verse....and then take it seriously.... take it to heart.

Let me show you..

"there is none that doeth good, no not one".. "all have sinned, "there is none Righteous"..

So, the "doctrine that is according to Godliness" is ... How to become "the Righteousness of God in Christ"..

And if you were that one, you would not call God's Grace, "weird Religion".

I would of course draw away from you.

Ive never met a seller of heresy, who could stand to be around Truth.........as you are explaining-defining-and revealing yourself... over and over and over.

 

[Taken]

A man can be saved from drowning. Is he saved? Yes. Then he gets back to shore and is hit by a semi-truck and dies. Was he saved from drowning?

Saving a human mans Life from physical Bodily Death, IS entirely Different than Gods Gift of Salvation THAT REQUIRES A bodily DEATH for the individual man TO RECEIVE Gods “SPIRITUAL” gift of Salvation.

Jesus said that we should repent unless something worse befalls us... AFTER being saved. A house (soul) that is swept of demons has been delivered (saved) from such possession.
But Jesus says that worse demons can enter into that clean place unless we get on the right track. That's how salvation works. At least according to the bible and Jesus.

You are preaching………SAV-ED….ie “clean”….
CAN….become AGAIN….ie “unclean”…

Absolutely FALSE. And scripture TELLS YOU WHY…

The SAV-ED, can NEVER become “entered”, “overcome” by “demons”….UN-SAVED!!

The ENLIGHTENED….who are hearing, learning, following, believing….
Are CALLED “TASTERS”…
Are NOT CALLED “EATERS…
ARE NOT CALLED SAVED”….
ARE NOT SAVED…
AND ABSOLUTELY CAN BECOME entered, overcome by demons….
AND ABSOLUTELY THEIR FATE will become, WORSE, than IF THEY HAD NEVER…”TASTED” and “THEN REJECTED” Believing!

It IS WORSE…BECAUSE they have revealed THEIR “WEAKNESS” to BE easily “influenced” by demons….and they become TARGETS (of easy prey) for multiple demons to Influence them.

BELIEVING….IS ONLY A BEGINNING STEP…to RECEIVE SALVATION…and BEFORE Receiving Gods GiFT of SALVATION at ANY TIME a LIVING man CAN STOP Believing…<—- and Become an EASY TARGET for Demons!

A BELIEVING man…WHO HAS RECEIVED Gods GIFT of SALVATION…… CAN NEVER STOP BELIEVING

ALL souls BELONG to God.
ALL souls ARE “subject” to the FLESH Body’s the SOUL is within.

God DESIRES ALL FLESH BODIES to “CHOOSE” God, believe IN God, believe IN Gods Word, believe IN Gods Power……AND CONFESS with the mans WORD to the Lord God…of such belief…AND WILLINGLY, FREELY give his body unto DEATH TO the
Lord God…AND THEN SHALL the Lord God SAVE the soul IN that mans body.

Gods SOULS….are akin to being ON LOAN to human flesh body’s….that such flesh body’s can CORRUPT such souls….or APPEAL to God to SAVE such souls…WHICH HE HAS OFFERED TO DO…..IF the man bodily BELIEVES IN the Lord God.

A man who Gives no thought or care or belief…..regarding Gods Offering to SAVE the soul in a man……THAT SOUL SHALL….have it’s life (Gods breath) return to God…and THAT SOUL DESTROYED.

SOUL salvation is A spiritual EVENT, effected by a Spiritual God….according to Gods Order and WAY……OF Gods Offering of SOUL Salvation….VIA…the mans Choosing, the mans Belief, the mans Confession, DURING the mans LIFE -time (which the mans LIFE is the body’s blood).

BODILY DEAD MEN….do not make choices, decisions!
THE CHOICE, The CONFESSION, is made DURING the mans (BLOOD) Life time.

Men WHO HAVE “RECEIVED” their souls Salvation…….CAN NEVER “lose”…become…”UNSAVED”.

 

[Taken]

Your weird religion has caused you to rail against the teachings of Christ. And you misunderstand Paul to the extreme.

What you are not used to is a follower and disciple of Christ...having thrown in your lot with a reformation make-over of Paul. But there is NO wisdom in this world or the next that contradicts the teachings of Jesus. So you have gone down the wrong path..a LOOONG way down the wrong path. Repent before it's too late.

Notice the warning here... from Paul to YOU. Take this seriously.

1 Tim. 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

I would of course draw away from you...but you follow me around on my threads in order to do as you do...as Paul says you would...causing strife and railing against the truth I teach that actually saves souls from death and dishonour.

You could stop with your evil surmisings of my faithfulness to God of which you know nothing. You don't realize the heavy judgment that awaits you.

Faithfulness to God…is not being challenged…..
APPLYING “non-applicable” scriptures to THE SAVED…and THE UNSAVED…is the core of the dispute.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The 21 (7 seals, 7 trumps, 7 vials) are judgements during “particular” mens mortal lives, dividing and separating, in preparation for Final Judgement to occur after Mortal death of all.

Am I misinterpreting your implication that the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 bowls of the Great Tribulation (tha hasn't happened yet) is symbolic for judgments that have already occurred throughout history? That would mean you are a Partial- Preterist. Don't need to derail the topic and rekindle that endless debate, but it just surprised me. Yes or no is fine.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Jesus said that we should repent unless something worse befalls us...AFTER being saved.

No, He means something worse will happen if we don't repent.

A house (soul) that is swept of demons has been delivered (saved) from such possession. But Jesus says that worse demons can enter into that clean place unless we get on the right track. That's how salvation works.

When Jesus delivered people from demons, they were cleansed of demons, not sin. He said, go and sin no more. But at that time _ during Jesus mission _ no one had been cleaned of sin ( born again) until Pentecost.

 

[Episkopos]

No, He means something worse will happen if we don't repent.


When Jesus delivered people from demons, they were cleansed of demons, not sin. He said, go and sin no more. But at that time _ during Jesus mission _ no one had been cleaned of sin ( born again) until Pentecost.

The bible can only harm those who refuse to heed its warnings. Why are so many rejected who will say...Lord, Lord? It's no wonder at all.

 

[Behold]

The bible can only harm those who refuse to heed its warnings.

Your Teaching... @Episkopos.. as well as :

Mormonsim.
Calvinism
JW's
Mary Baker Eddy
ect....

See those?.... those people twist the scriptures that cause harm.. to other people.

That is the bible causing harm, when its used to deceive.

 

[amadeus]

This episode is not about whether one is saved or not...all who have faith in Christ will indeed be saved. No, this is about the quality of that salvation, whether for glory and honour or else, for shame and dishonour. Do we even care about the outcome of our own spiritual race? What's it going to take to wake up from the deep sleep that has befallen the modern Church?

Indeed, walk as King Saul walked or as King David walked!

Mt 5:3	Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:4	Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mt 5:5	Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mt 5:6	Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mt 5:7	Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mt 5:8	Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mt 5:9	Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mt 5:10	Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:11	Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mt 5:12	Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mt 5:13	Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mt 5:14	Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mt 5:15	Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mt 5:16	Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

How is it that... one becomes poor in spirit;
that one mourns;
that one becomes meek;
that one hungers and thirsts after righteousness;
that one becomes merciful;
that one becomes pure in heart;
that one becomes a peacemaker;
that one retains the saltiness given to him;
that one becomes the light of the world...?

Mt 6:33

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

 

[Behold]

Mt 6:33

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

"seek first God, and his HIS = Righteousness".

Where is that found.....if "all have sinned, and none are righteous.. no not one"?

Its found as "The GIFT of Righteousness", and that comes from God, only if the person has put their Faith in Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

Actually Jesus never told a Christian that, at all.

Jesus said that to JEWS, who were not CHRISTians, as Jesus had not died on The Cross Yet.
And now that Jesus has become.....>>"GOD hath made JESUS...to be SIN for us".. .then all of God's judgment against sin, has been satisfied by the SLAUGHTER of His Son.

Understand that Cross yet? @Episkopos ?

So, the Born Again Believer will never face God's anger........because Jesus has borne it ALL for the CHRISTIAN 2000 yrs ago.


Your bizarre theology is, not connected to Christianity, is like a HandBook of Crazy ideas.... that reveals that you have no understanding of God's Salvation.

Zero.

They failed indeed to believe on HIM . MY GOODNESS interfaith and its lie
is leading all right to a severe and deadly damnation .
As for me , ANY guesses on who i am gonna contiunally remind all OF THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE IN ......
if ya said JESUS the CHRIST , then ya said RIGHT .

 

[amigo de christo]

"seek first God, and his HIS = Righteousness".

Where is that found.....if "all have sinned, and none are righteous.. no not one"?

Its found as "The GIFT of Righteousness", and that comes from God, only if the person has put their Faith in Christ.

YA MIND reminding all of that AGAIN . Exactly .

 

[amigo de christo]

Indeed, walk as King Saul walked or as King David walked!

Mt 5:3	Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:4	Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mt 5:5	Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mt 5:6	Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mt 5:7	Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mt 5:8	Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mt 5:9	Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mt 5:10	Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:11	Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mt 5:12	Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mt 5:13	Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mt 5:14	Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mt 5:15	Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mt 5:16	Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

How is it that... one becomes poor in spirit;
that one mourns;
that one becomes meek;
that one hungers and thirsts after righteousness;
that one becomes merciful;
that one becomes pure in heart;
that one becomes a peacemaker;
that one retains the saltiness given to him;
that one becomes the light of the world...?

Mt 6:33

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

And who did david prophesy of and already BELEIVE In , though HE would not come till many generations later .
A hint . YE WILL NOT leave my soul in hell nor suffer me to see corruptoin . Peter and paul
BOTH quoated david . KING david SEEN the PROMISED KING who Was TO COME . and friend
that KING , WAS BEFORE EVEN ANYTHING CREATED WAS . TRUTH IS HE CREATED ALL THAT IS .
AND NOW i shall leave us with a lovely reminder .
Let all take heed to it and be refreshed in the beauty of this truth .
HE came to die on a cross made of wood
YET HE had even made the very HILL on which it stood . aint that lovely .
You see if one denies JESUS is the CHRIST , guess who they denied . GOD HIMSELF
WHO TESTIFIED OF THE SON . can a man deny JESUS is the CHRIST
and yet love GOD . HE who believes NOT the testimony that GOD gave of the SON BE CALLING GOD A LIAR .
that dont sound like love to me .
HE who hears us is of GOD and he who hears not us IS NOT of GOD . that sounds far different
from todays lovey la do LIE which implies other religoins do know and do serve GOD . JOHN knew .
BUT WHO TOLD JOHN . JESUS DID .

 

[amigo de christo]

"seek first God, and his HIS = Righteousness".

Where is that found.....if "all have sinned, and none are righteous.. no not one"?

Its found as "The GIFT of Righteousness", and that comes from God, only if the person has put their Faith in Christ.

Notice it says SEEK HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS . True believers , BELIEVE in HE WHOM GOD DID SEND ,
JESUS THE CHRIST , are made what . THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
yes sir i am at war with the lie and lies of men who have come to even dare lead
folks away FROM the TRUTH . BELIEVE YE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .

 

[Ritajanice]

Indeed, walk as King Saul walked or as King David walked!

Mt 5:3	Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:4	Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mt 5:5	Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mt 5:6	Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mt 5:7	Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mt 5:8	Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mt 5:9	Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mt 5:10	Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:11	Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mt 5:12	Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mt 5:13	Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mt 5:14	Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mt 5:15	Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mt 5:16	Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

How is it that... one becomes poor in spirit;
that one mourns;
that one becomes meek;
that one hungers and thirsts after righteousness;
that one becomes merciful;
that one becomes pure in heart;
that one becomes a peacemaker;
that one retains the saltiness given to him;
that one becomes the light of the world...?

Mt 6:33

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Lovely post, Brother.

 

[amigo de christo]

Lovely post, Brother.

it was lovely dear sister .
Seek ye the Kingdom of GOD and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS .
take heed that says HIS righteousness .
Wanna hear my righteousness apart from CHRIST . DOO DOO sister , for all have sinned .
JESUS . HE be the ONE THAT ALL NEED to BELIEVE ON .
for in HIM we are MADE the righteousness of who . OF GOD .
This lamb will not offer up even the tiniest bit of false hope and or comfort .
This lamb gonna point to JESUS THE CHRIST and REMIND all of the DIRE dire dire need to BELIEVE on HIM .
cause all else is vain if WE BELIEVE NOT JESUS IS THE CHRIST . this is a fact sister . I am not in any way
misled . JESUS ALONE is whom this lamb will point too . HE , ALONE .

 

[Ritajanice]

Being clothed in the righteousness of Christ, cannot happen, not until we are Born Of The Spirit, then we are clothed in Jesus righteousness, .we are also saved from eternal damnation once Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Then we have the supernatural faith to walk in the spirit.

 

[amigo de christo]

Lovely post, Brother.

dance a jig of praise and give glory to HE ALONE who is worthy . TO GOD .
if a man honors not the SON , beware for they HONOR not the FATHER who sent HIM .
OH i know rita , i know , i am relentless in my continual reminders of the dire absolute need to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
Any guesses on what that is .
Had ya beleived GOD you would have BELIEVED ME . i tell us all
that if a man , anyone , believes not JESUS is the CHRIST , they call GOD HIMSELF a liar . and who wants to call GOD A liar .
Wont bode well for any who does so .