Oklahoma orders first shipment of Bibles for use in public school classrooms
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“Republican Sen. Markwayne Mullin (R - Okla.) said that letting Oklahoma public school educators teach the Bible is a ‘slippery slope’ if the teachers ‘may not be believers’ themselves.
Mullin, who sits on the Senate committee that oversees education, said that he wants his kids to know the Bible, ’but I want it to be taught by someone that was taught the Bible themselves, too. I think it’s a slippery slope when you put it in the hands of teachers that may not be believers, that’s going to be teaching the word that can easily be taken out of context.’
’So if the state is going to require that, then the state should also be it be required that this taught by someone that graduated from seminary school,’ Mullin said during his Wednesday appearance on NewsNation’s show ‘The Hill’.
’If you just leave it in the hands of a public school teacher that may be not able to actually teach it because they weren't taught it themselves, then it can cause a tremendous amount of confusion‘ he added. …
When asked by NewsNation host Blake Burman on Wednesday if the state should ‘back off’ of the mandate, the Mullin said that ‘uless they’re going to require a person that was trained in the Bible and graduated from seminary school or a different type of Bible school, then, yes, I do believe that’s probably the wrong move.’”
Mullin, who sits on the Senate committee that oversees education, said that he wants his kids to know the Bible, ’but I want it to be taught by someone that was taught the Bible themselves, too. I think it’s a slippery slope when you put it in the hands of teachers that may not be believers, that’s going to be teaching the word that can easily be taken out of context.’
’So if the state is going to require that, then the state should also be it be required that this taught by someone that graduated from seminary school,’ Mullin said during his Wednesday appearance on NewsNation’s show ‘The Hill’.
’If you just leave it in the hands of a public school teacher that may be not able to actually teach it because they weren't taught it themselves, then it can cause a tremendous amount of confusion‘ he added. …
When asked by NewsNation host Blake Burman on Wednesday if the state should ‘back off’ of the mandate, the Mullin said that ‘uless they’re going to require a person that was trained in the Bible and graduated from seminary school or a different type of Bible school, then, yes, I do believe that’s probably the wrong move.’”
Wrangler
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Again with the quotes! Utterly unwilling to acknowledge the practical reality of life here on Earth now.
Yes, of course it is a world view that I am accepting, embracing and fighting to advance on every front and every level. You are so lost, you cannot even simply answer if Christians are better off being ruled by Satanists! Let alone lift a finger to prevent this eventuality.
You do far worse than nothing! You do everything you can from a propaganda perspective to ensure good people of God's Kingdom do nothing in the face of growing evil. This makes you a de facto Satanist apologist.
Don't you have a decidedly biased attitude towards their own religion’s superiority?
My world view is the American view as God willed it since he blessed me mightily in allowing me to be born in the greatest country in human history, which was founded on his gift of liberty. Margaret Thatcher pointed out no other country was founded on the principle of liberty. Not one.
I am an ardent chauvinist for the good over the bad, liberty over tyranny, health over disease, prosperity over poverty, peace over war, friendship over nemesis. Your ambivalence, if not opposition to practically advancing these superior comparisons disgusts me.
Trump gave a great speech in Poland regarding nationalism, saying his America First policy of nationalism is one he expects every country to pursue; that is, for each sovereign nation to advance what is in their best interest. He added that we do not wish to impose our way on any people of the world but to be a light to the world. When it comes to politics, the field of practical ideas, Christian nationalism is the Christian ethic! Amen and Amen.
This is the opposite of Islam's expansionist ideology, as you well know. Thanks for asking.
Do not move an ancient boundary stone set up by your ancestors.
Proverbs 22:28
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Wrangler
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It's better that young skulls full of mush be confused about holiness than ignorant of its existence.
Wrangler
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They lose. See 2024 election. See American Civil War. See War of 1812. See American Revolutionary War. See 100 Years War, where Joan of Arc led in battle. See the Reconquest of Spain. See the Crusades. See Augustinian "Just War" theory to amend and evil of the 4th century.
Some, like you, are not on the side of righteousness even though you call yourself a Christian. It is possible for one to be a Christian and be wrong. But this thread is not about Christian v Christian but Christian v enemies of Christ.
Rockerduck
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Rockerduck
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You can never throw God's word out, and it comes back void.
I say put the Bible in hands of teachers and maybe, just maybe, God will open their hearts, like lydia, and be saved by His Word.
I say put the Bible in hands of teachers and maybe, just maybe, God will open their hearts, like lydia, and be saved by His Word.
Wrangler
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Thank you. I confess I am growing increasing frustrated with the overly spiritualized in Christiandom who've abandoned soulful needs of God's children. This makes such Christians particularly vulnerable to embracing the illogical argument known as the Nirvana fallacy. It means rejecting a proposal on the grounds that it is not perfect in some way.
In the real world, nothing is perfect. Things are messy, dirty, with costs to investment, including risks. As an expert in statistics, I know there are 2 types of errors and both are unavoidable. We can mitigate but not completely eliminate risk.
Type I: Accepting a bad part.
Type II: Rejecting a good part.
Paraphrasing, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. If we evangelize, we run the risk that the unbeliever will not accept our attempt to bring them to Christ. Maybe our doctrine is not 100% correct. Maybe we cannot answer a question.
If we don't evangelize, the risk is they never come to Christ. I calculate President Trump had a .997 batting average in doing what I thought was right. When .400 would be a phenomenal ball player, I know I cannot reasonably complain about that level of imperfection from my President. No one can hit the ball unless they take the risk of swinging and missing.
One reason I love America is the expression "home of the brave." We are a far cry from that now, afraid of every risk. This thread shows that very well. Yes, there is a risk of teaching kids the Bible in public schools. I hold the far greater risk is NOT teaching kids the Bible - and connecting it to our form of government - in public schools.
Lambano
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Are they going to put the Quran in the classrooms too?
Or the Vedas? (The neighborhoods near my workplace have a strong Indian population. And some pretty good Indian restaurants too.)
Why do we expect the State to do the work Jesus commissioned the Church to do - make disciples of all nations? Have we gotten that lazy?
Or the Vedas? (The neighborhoods near my workplace have a strong Indian population. And some pretty good Indian restaurants too.)
Why do we expect the State to do the work Jesus commissioned the Church to do - make disciples of all nations? Have we gotten that lazy?
Rockerduck
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There is only one book that has the answer to eternal life, the bible of God's word. No, none other, religion has a book to show how to attain eternal life.
Lambano
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Yeah, but how do you justify keeping the Quran out? Especially in places that have strong Muslim populations who vote.
The question still stands: Why do we expect the State to do the work Jesus commissioned the Church to do - make disciples of all nations? Have we gotten that lazy?
Wrangler
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No. No. And your 3rd question is invalid. Yes, "we" are that lazy and lacking in virtue. Hence, the need to correct with this action.
The reason your 3rd question is invalid is that it has a false premise. The State is educating children, not making disciples of all nations. Come on now! Let's keep it real. The very fact that you stoop to such Strawman suppositions shows the weakness of your argument.
And why not teach the Quran or Vedas? Because America is and always was a Christian nation. This is true even though many apoplectically reject this simple truth. We are a Christian people who opted for a secular (non-theocratic) government form. The history of the Original Colonies is that they had established religions. All the established religions in the colonies in America were Christian denominations. Every President America elected was Christian. And since the beginning, there was an Office of the Chaplain, which always had Christians at the helm The Office of the Chaplain, United States House of Representatives.
Lambano
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Good grief. What the hell do you think "making disciples" means? Educating them in Christ's ways. That's our job. Evangelizing. That's our job.
There is nothing that guarantees America will always be a Christian nation. Look around. Is the United States a Christian nation right now? Have we been a Christian nation for the last 50 years?
I used to donate money to an organization that supported house churches in places where the State can have you shot or imprisoned for possessing a Bible. Do you think they're sympathetic to our bitching and moaning that the State won't disciple our children for us?
We need to grow a pair and buckle down to do the hard work Christ commissioned us to do.
Rockerduck
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It is a multi- point approach to a society. Schools, and parents must re-enforce the same values. When I was young the parents of other children were looked after us and bad behavior was reported. Parents talked to each other. Now everyone looks the other way and says, "I'm glad that's not my kid".
Proverbs 22:6 -Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
Wrangler
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Lambano
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Have you noticed we're not a homogenous society? We don't have the same values.
Christians were not a majority in Jerusalem, Antioch, Galatia, Corinth, or Rome. Those house churches in China, Vietnam, North Korea, Saudi Arabia that I was supporting aren't in the majority by a long shot. We're going to have to re-learn what it takes to be Jesus's people as a minority.
Lambano
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Wrangler
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There does not have to be a guarantee. I decided that I will side with Christ, come hell or high water. Moral ambivalence is too cowardly for me these days. I boldly proclaim allegiance to my King. If people don't like it, too bad.
Wrangler
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Obviously, you want to pretend 2 things are 1 thing. No matter what words you use, educating kids is NOT making disciples of them.
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