Define salvation. ( what is "the Gospel")

[mailmandan]

Water baptism is the final stage in the salvation process. Your sins are not remitted until you're baptized.

Absolutely false.

Acts 216And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - Acts 22:16--Baptism Essential for Salvation?

No scripture is to be interpreted in isolation from the totality of scripture. Practically speaking, a singular and obscure verse is to be subservient to multiple and clear verses, and not vice versa.

1 Peter 3:21

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

In Peter 3:21, Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase, he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).

*Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *The context reveals that only the righteous (Noah and his family) were dry and therefore safe. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contract with the water and they all perished.

Acts 2:38
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So, the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

 

[mailmandan]

No one ever is or was saved just by believing. No scripture supports that or anything even close to that. "Let's not complicate the gospel" by trying to justify your preconceived notions and unscriptural biases, and simply believe what the scriptures clearly say. Go study some more with an open heart and mind and abandon your biases against baptism and it's absolute need for salvation.

Mk16:15-16
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Luke 8:12 - Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. *What happened to baptism?

John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 13:39 - and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. *What happened to baptism?

Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. *What happened to baptism? So, no one ever is or was saved just by believing, huh? No scripture supports that or anything even close to that, huh? So much for your theory.

The Bible makes it clear in many passages of scripture that man is saved through belief/faith - "apart from additions or modifications." (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1-2; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-14, 26; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

Now you don't need to add the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of these passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Hence, FAITH ALONE. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus, baptism? Plus, works? NO. So, then it's faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone.

*Not to be confused with an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" - barren of works. (James 2:14-24)

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.

The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Behold]

So the rapture doesnt cause the Tribulation at the same time

The Holy Bible, the Scriptures, ... how they explain what is happening, and what is GOING to happen next.......is not the bible causing it.....
= Its the bible REVEALING it...
So, the bible, regarding prophecy, is a "connect the next dot, to the previous'.. "connect the dots as they keep changing into the next dot".

Its... Here is this "season or time" that God shows us in the word....that comes to an end.... , and now THIS now starts..

So, its not that "the time of the gentiles" as explained in the bible, is going to START the Tribulation....once this "time of the gentiles" ends.....No... but what bible is showing you, is the "rightly dividing the word"....

That means.......Notice the DIVISIONS.... notice when something ends, and something next.......begins.., as most of the Time that is showing you, that GOD is doing something new, different, regarding how He is dealing with Jew, Gentiles, and the entire world itself.

So once the "Time of The-Gentiles",,, ends...,. then that is because something else is coming to pass., and THAT will end.. and then the next "season or time" starts.. So, the Rapture occurs... between the Time of the Gentiles and the start of the Trib.
See, the TRIB, is when God resumes his dealing with the JEW.....so, there is no Reason for the CHURCH that was created in the "Time of the Gentiles" to be there.......so, its not.

Now....Let me show you the simple divisions... from the OT... to nearly the end of the NT.

1.) Adam to Moses.... From no Law.. to the Law begins.

2.) Moses Law, to the Cross of Christ.... "the law came by moses, but GRACE and TRUTH, came by Jesus The Christ"

3.) From the Cross, to the Trib...........that is the "time of the gentiles"... You have Paul's Gospel.. you have the bride of Christ being created as the CHURCH.

4.) From the Trib, to the 2nd Advent......

5.) From the 2nd Advent to the Millennial reign of Christ.

These are all CHANGES... where God is doing something different in the world, and with mankind.



See all those SECTIONS..,, Divisions....????? where something starts, and then stops and then the next begins, and stops.. and the next begins..... on an on.

= "rightly DIVIDING.. .the word"..'

And the other way you do it. is DOCTRINALLY..... so that you get the NT Doctrine right.....and that is why you get with PAUL.. as he WROTE the Doctrine for the Church...Not Peter, not Jude, not Matthew.

Paul is you NT Teacher...........Its HIS Doctrine that is CHURCH Doctrine.

So, if a "teacher" does not know this.. then that teacher is not only a ZERO Bible student,.. that teacher is a fraud, and will deceive you into their CULT theology........a "doctrine of Devils"..... Hebrews 13:9

 

[MA2444]

The Holy Bible, the Scriptures, ... how they explain what is happening, and what is GOING to happen next.......is not the bible causing it.....
= Its the bible REVEALING it...
So, the bible, regarding prophecy, is a "connect the next dot, to the previous'.. "connect the dots as they keep changing into the next dot".

Its... Here is this "season or time" that God shows us in the word....that comes to an end.... , and now THIS now starts..

So, its not that "the time of the gentiles" as explained in the bible, is going to START the Tribulation....once this "time of the gentiles" ends.....No... but what bible is showing you, is the "rightly dividing the word"....

That means.......Notice the DIVISIONS.... notice when something ends, and something next.......begins.., as most of the Time that is showing you, that GOD is doing something new, different, regarding how He is dealing with Jew, Gentiles, and the entire world itself.

So once the "Time of The-Gentiles",,, ends...,. then that is because something else is coming to pass., and THAT will end.. and then the next "season or time" starts.. So, the Rapture occurs... between the Time of the Gentiles and the start of the Trib.
See, the TRIB, is when God resumes his dealing with the JEW.....so, there is no Reason for the CHURCH that was created in the "Time of the Gentiles" to be there.......so, its not.

Now....Let me show you the simple divisions... from the OT... to nearly the end of the NT.

1.) Adam to Moses.... From no Law.. to the Law begins.

2.) Moses Law, to the Cross of Christ.... "the law came by moses, but GRACE and TRUTH, came by Jesus The Christ"

3.) From the Cross, to the Trib...........that is the "time of the gentiles"... You have Paul's Gospel.. you have the bride of Christ being created as the CHURCH.

4.) From the Trib, to the 2nd Advent......

5.) From the 2nd Advent to the Millennial reign of Christ.

These are all CHANGES... where God is doing something different in the world, and with mankind.



See all those SECTIONS..,, Divisions....????? where something starts, and then stops and then the next begins, and stops.. and the next begins..... on an on.

= "rightly DIVIDING.. .the word"..'

And the other way you do it. is DOCTRINALLY..... so that you get the NT Doctrine right.....and that is why you get with PAUL.. as he WROTE the Doctrine for the Church...Not Peter, not Jude, not Matthew.

Paul is you NT Teacher...........Its HIS Doctrine that is CHURCH Doctrine.

So, if a "teacher" does not know this.. then that teacher is not only a ZERO Bible student,.. that teacher is a fraud, and will deceive you into their CULT theology........a "doctrine of Devils"..... Hebrews 13:9

That's prolly why Paul wrote most of the NT!

 

[Behold]

That's prolly why Paul wrote most of the NT!

Now you see it.

 

[keithr]

"God is A Spirit"
"Jesus is THAT Spirit".

I presume you are paraphrasing 2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV):

(17) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.​

or more accurately (LSV):

(17) And the LORD is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the LORD [is], there [is] liberty;​

This is not referring to Jesus, it is referring to almighty God YHVH. Various commentries may suggest that "Lord" is refering to Jesus, but that is incorrect. The confusion is all down to poor translations and removing God's name from the Scriptures. To quote from an English translation of the original Aramaic New Testament (the Peshitta New Testament), as written by the Apostles and Evangelists Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James and Jude (the original Gospels, and Epistles as well, were written in Aramaic and later translated into Greek for Greek speaking Romans):

17. But The Spirit is THE LORD JEHOVAH, and wherever The Spirit of THE LORD JEHOVAH is, there is freedom.​

Philippians 4:20 (WEB):

(20) Now to our God and Father be the glory forever and ever! Amen.​

 

[David in NJ]

Lots of things are not i scripture spelled out but it doesnt mean it doesnt exist or there is no truth at all outside of scripture.

Where is cell phone in scripture? Where is remote control? It's not in there.

You don't have to believe that the church is the restrainer. That's fine. But why didnt you post what was said that goes against what God says? What does God say? You cant knee jerk and say something like that without posting what you feel is truth of the matter.

Good points - thank you

Let's examine your valid points

a.) cell phones, cars, planes etc are not part of nor essential to Knowing God

b.) cell phones, cars, planes etc are part of the kingdom of this world which God was fully knowing of BEFORE HE created man.

c.) When did JESUS/SALVATION come??? = Galatian 4:4 = "But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son"
NOTICE God did NOT send His Son during the presence of the technological wonders of this AGE.

c.) Everything(technology) is at God's disposal for His Good Pleasure and we are the beneficiaries of His Good Will.

d.) Acts 17:22-31 = What can we SEE???

Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.

Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you:
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained.
He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

e.) Revelation Saints = What do we SEE???
If we look at two of the seven churches in Revelation we SEE the DISPARITY between the riches of this world versus being poor in this world.
GOD's TRUTH in that DISPARITY:
The DISPARITY of the Church of Smyrna contrasting the worldly wealth of the Church of Laodicea

The church of Smyrna has nothing yet they are RICH
The church of Laodicea has everything this world can offer and yet they are SPIRITUALLY poor, blind and naked


Conclusion: EXACTLY what we NEED from God to be SAVED and to KNOW Him does NOT come from the elements of this world.

Therefore, in order to please God, only FAITH in what HE has spoken to us is the REQUIREMENT for Fellowship in the Holy Spirit

This should be PARAMOUNT in our worship unto God and in our mutual fellowship between the Brethren and the unsaved.

When this takes Place in our hearts, then God moves us to SEEING each others NEEDS, which is BOTH spiritual and physical.
Furthermore we DO NOT measure ourselves by the things of this world which we have in our possession.

Question: Which of the Seven Churches do you belong to???

 

[David in NJ]

I presume you are paraphrasing 2 Corinthians 3:17 (KJV):

(17) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.​

or more accurately (LSV):

(17) And the LORD is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the LORD [is], there [is] liberty;​

This is not referring to Jesus, it is referring to almighty God YHVH. Various commentries may suggest that "Lord" is refering to Jesus, but that is incorrect. The confusion is all down to poor translations and removing God's name from the Scriptures. To quote from an English translation of the original Aramaic New Testament (the Peshitta New Testament), as written by the Apostles and Evangelists Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James and Jude (the original Gospels, and Epistles as well, were written in Aramaic and later translated into Greek for Greek speaking Romans):

17. But The Spirit is THE LORD JEHOVAH, and wherever The Spirit of THE LORD JEHOVAH is, there is freedom.​

Philippians 4:20 (WEB):

(20) Now to our God and Father be the glory forever and ever! Amen.​

The WORD that was God in the Beginning is the LORD JEHOVAH

Get with the TRUTH

 

[keithr]

The WORD that was God in the Beginning is the LORD JEHOVAH

Get with the TRUTH

Sorry, but we're not allowed to discuss the doctrine of the Trinity. I obviously believe the Trinity doctrine to be a false doctrine. I was just pointing out the error of changing the Scriptures by substituting the name Jesus when it is not there in the original Scriptures. The original name in that verse was YHVH.

 

[Behold]

or more accurately (LSV):

(17) And the LORD is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the LORD [is], there [is] liberty;​

Actually, your version is much less accurate., and i would put it in the dumpster.

Let me show you why.

If a "bible" or a "book" teaches that "God is Spirit", or that "Jesus is Spirit"... then that book is not making the distinction between the Holy Spirit of God and Christ........vs the unholy demonic spirit, that is a demon, and is The Devil.

So, if the book says..>>>"God is spirit" and Jesus is "Spirit", ....then..... So is the DEVIL, who is the UN-HOLY SPIRIT and so are demonic spirits..

And so.. that (JUNK) book is teaching THE LIE... that there is no difference IN "SPIRITS".....and so... God would not agree with your (false) book... @keithr

 

[DJT_47]

Luke 8:12 - Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. *What happened to baptism?

John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 13:39 - and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. *What happened to baptism?

Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. *What happened to baptism? So, no one ever is or was saved just by believing, huh? No scripture supports that or anything even close to that, huh? So much for your theory.

The Bible makes it clear in many passages of scripture that man is saved through belief/faith - "apart from additions or modifications." (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1-2; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-14, 26; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

Now you don't need to add the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of these passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Hence, FAITH ALONE. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus, baptism? Plus, works? NO. So, then it's faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone.

*Not to be confused with an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" - barren of works. (James 2:14-24)

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.

The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the 1 requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Only the ignorant and unknowing assume that all scripture is not used to get the complete bible message on any subject. You take all scripture and combine the bits of each for the complete picture or list of requirements.

Why not then take ONLY the Mark 16 scripture and ignore the rest of scripture? There it says, belief AND baptism, the two things are inextricably linked together by the conjunction, AND. Both are necessary. But you choose not to do that and try to justify your ridiculous unscriptural position by selective scripture and not all scripture. Goodbye.

 

[keithr]

Actually, your version is much less accurate., and i would put it in the dumpster.

It's not my version! It's the Literal Standard Version. Likewise Young's Literal Translation says:

(17) And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is , there is liberty;​

Other translations that also say "the Spirit" are, for example, the American Standard Version, Darby Bible, English Standard version, Good News Bible, International Standard Version, New English Translation, and the World English Bible. Are you suggesting that we put all of those translation in the trash too? I can find no translation at all that has the name Jesus in that verse.

Look at the context. Paul had said, 2 Corinthians 3:5-6 (WEB):

(5) not that we are sufficient of ourselves, to account anything as from ourselves; but our sufficiency is from God;​

(6) who also made us sufficient as servants of a new covenant; not of the letter, but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.​

and in verse 17 he says that YHVH (God) is the/that Spirit.

More to the point, the Peshitta New Testament shows that the original manuscripts had the name YHVH, so it is incorrect to assume it was referring to Jesus.

If a "bible" or a "book" teaches that "God is Spirit", or that "Jesus is Spirit"... then that book is not making the distinction between the Holy Spirit of God and Christ........vs the unholy demonic spirit, that is a demon, and is The Devil.

So, if the book says..>>>"God is spirit" and Jesus is "Spirit", ....then..... So is the DEVIL, who is the UN-HOLY SPIRIT and so are demonic spirits..

And so.. that (JUNK) book is teaching THE LIE... that there is no difference IN "SPIRITS".....and so... God would not agree with your (false) book...

You seem to be saying that if the Bible teaches that "God is spirit", which is does (John 4:24), then the Bible is junk and is teaching a lie.

1 John 4:1-6 (WEB):

(1) Beloved, don’t believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.​

(2) By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,​

(3) and every spirit who doesn’t confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God, and this is the spirit of the Antichrist, of whom you have heard that it comes. Now it is in the world already.​

(4) You are of God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world.​

(5) They are of the world. Therefore they speak of the world, and the world hears them.​

(6) We are of God. He who knows God listens to us. He who is not of God doesn’t listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.​

 

[mailmandan]

Only the ignorant and unknowing assume that all scripture is not used to get the complete bible message on any subject. You take all scripture and combine the bits of each for the complete picture or list of requirements.

Why not then take ONLY the Mark 16 scripture and ignore the rest of scripture? There it says, belief AND baptism, the two things are inextricably linked together by the conjunction, AND. Both are necessary. But you choose not to do that and try to justify your ridiculous unscriptural position by selective scripture and not all scripture. Goodbye.

You need to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine instead of distorting and perverting passages of scripture in an effort to "patch together" your so-called gospel plan that culminates in works righteousness.

 

[DJT_47]

You need to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine instead of distorting and perverting passages of scripture in an effort to "patch together" your so-called gospel plan that culminates in works righteousness.

You don't know what you're talking about

 

[mailmandan]

You don't know what you're talking about

Oh, the irony.

 

[David in NJ]

Sorry, but we're not allowed to discuss the doctrine of the Trinity. I obviously believe the Trinity doctrine to be a false doctrine. I was just pointing out the error of changing the Scriptures by substituting the name Jesus when it is not there in the original Scriptures. The original name in that verse was YHVH.

No 'trinity' discussion is taking place.
Secondly, God's Will, found in His Holy Scriptures, trumps any anti-christ rules.

GOSPEL - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

GOSPEL - "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

GOSPEL - "I and My Father are One.”

 

[Mjh29]

Only the ignorant and unknowing assume that all scripture is not used to get the complete bible message on any subject. You take all scripture and combine the bits of each for the complete picture or list of requirements.

Why not then take ONLY the Mark 16 scripture and ignore the rest of scripture? There it says, belief AND baptism, the two things are inextricably linked together by the conjunction, AND. Both are necessary. But you choose not to do that and try to justify your ridiculous unscriptural position by selective scripture and not all scripture. Goodbye.

Hello friend!
Thought I would toss in my two cents here; not in any attempt to correct anyone, simply sharing my own observations and studies.
Why not just take one passage and ignore the rest of Scripture? Well...

2 Timothy 3:16-17 - For the whole Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable to teach, to convince, to correct, and to instruct in righteousness, That the man of God may be absolute, being made perfect unto all good works.

We do not. take simply one passage of Scripture because that is not what God commands us to do, nor is it how God commands us to study Himself. God sets the rules; Christ is the King, and we, as his righteous soldiers, bow to his mandates and carry them out, not in part but to the letter. The whole Scripture is what we are to use to teach, convince, correct, and instruct in the things of righteousness. Which means, the Scriptures HAVE to come together cohesively. If what we believe one passage says is contradicted outright in another, we MUST conform our views to the Scriptures by comparing Scripture with itself.

Have a blessed day friend!

 

[Atarah]

Salvation in Simple Terms
God is pure and holy; if you sin, you are not. All of mankind sins. (1 Peter 1:16, Romans 3:23)
A just God cannot forgive one sinner and not all others. (Romans 2:11)
Sin must be paid for—it cannot be forgiven. (Romans 6:23)
The only accepted payment for sin is the life-blood (physical death) of the one who sins. (Hebrews 9:22)
Jesus offered his life-blood (quality) as payment for the sin of whoever (quantity) will accept it. (John 3:16)
The choice is ours. Either we pay for our sin with our life, or we allow and accept Jesus' payment with His life for our sin. (Luke 23:39-43)
We are all eternal (spiritual beings). Where we spend that eternality is our choice. (Revelation 20:15) (Mark 9:48)
What will it be? Will you pay, or will He pay? Choose NOW while you still can! (John 3:16)
... from Salvation in Simple Terms

 

[rebuilder 454]

This is very true, Gods Living word is Alive active and everywhere, it can’t be contained to what is just written in the Bible... and it’s ridiculous to even think it could be,imo.

Okay, I liked several of what the members posted here, and specially some of the things that you said. Because in a couple of your posts you cut through all the the known sentences and verses that we quote kind of as a default in hitting all around the target. In one of your posts you you cut away everything and you centered on a person.. Jesus.
And that's kind of what I was hoping people would see here.
The gospel and salvation are not like a contract or a plan or or a written Testament.
Both the gospel and salvation are actually a person.
and his name is Jesus.
That's why I can make statements like someone marooned on some Island with no Bible, and no evangelist, can receive a visitation from Jesus, a real person, a God man, a spiritual being, whose name means salvation.
It's not just that he tells us the way to heaven.
It is not just that he tells us the way to be born again.
It is ,that he himself, is salvation.
it is ,he himself, that makes his home within the Born Again believer. He becomes my everything he's my groom in whom I am obsessed with. I have eyes for no other, but only my groom.
I don't have roving eyes, or wondering eyes.
my face is fixed on him.
and I love him.
and I hate what he hates.
That is someone that is completely overtaken by the person of Jesus and not sentences in his book.

 

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That's why I can make statements like someone marooned on some Island with no Bible, and no evangelist, can receive a visitation from Jesus, a real person, a God man, a spiritual being, whose name means salvation.
It's not just that he tells us the way to heaven.
It is not just that he tells us the way to be born again.
It is ,that he himself, is salvation.

Amen!

We are birthed by the Spirit Of God, supernaturally. Unfortunately some think they can quote scripture, without even knowing that the rebirth comes to us Alive and Active..just like the wind, you never know the time or place, when the Spirit births our spirit into His.

Reading scripture and quoting it, can’t make one’s spirit come Alive in Jesus.