Silence in heaven - Revelation

[ewq1938]

Boy... you are fully in denial. You have not figured out (or admit) where Satan was before the Two Witnesses' testimony is finished. LOL.

You keep confusing satan with the beast satan gives power to.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

 

[TribulationSigns]

You keep confusing satan with the beast satan gives power to.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

What is the matter with you?! Didn't you read what I say??

"The beast represents Satan's carnal Kingdom, those who are his children and his ministers. Satan is personified as this beast representing HIS kingdom! The Dragon, which is Satan himself, gives the beast or his kingdom ITS POWER (Revelation 13:4). This signifying Satan gives them their strength!" It is the same thing that is said in Revelation 17:

Rev 17:12-13
(12) And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
(13) These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Listen carefully, the beast, which make up of false prophets and christs with spirit of antichrist, was in bottomless pit during the millennial kingdom. It means that they were RESTRAINED by the Holy Spirit until the building of Christ's church is finished first! This is why the unsaved people of the congregation have not yet receive or run the kingdom because the Elect were in the charge of it with their testimony. However, after all Elect has been secured, the testimony of Two Witnesses for salvation is finished. Then the beast will come out of bottomless pit (ie. Christ removed his restraining hand) to allow the false prophets and christs to INCREASE and deceive those people in the church who have not yet sealed by God. Because of Dragon gave its power to the beast so that people will wonder after the false prophets and christs (beast) and start to buy and sell their doctrines. Becasue of this, God has agree to allow them to give the kingdom (His House) to the beast to be trampled underfoot as a judgment! All of this happened because of their word (lying signs and wonders - false doctrines) coming out of their MOUTHS. - The mouth of the dragon, the mouth of the beast, and the mouth of false prophet. The false prophets and christs are coming into churches all over the world to bring her into apostasy and desolation. This must take place before Christ returns. Selah!

 

[ewq1938]

Satan is personified as this beast representing HIS kingdom!

I've already proven satan as the dragon is not the beast he gives power to.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I've already proven satan as the dragon is not the beast he gives power to.

You have no clue.

 

[tailgator]

Again, just started to look into Revelation and just wanted to throw a question out there....

When Jesus opens the 7th seal there is a silence in heaven. Does this mean that all believers have been raptured into the presence of God and now the judgement on all who rejected Him would begin on the earth?

I do not know myself,but I saw this answer to a similar question on another site and I thought it was interesting.

I'm copy and pasting someone else's answer.
Like I said,I don't know the answer myself for sure but it's about the 1/2 hour of silence.

It's a calendar reference, (the sacred calendar day), because it is either a morning or an evening oblation and one of those same times of the incense offering, which times are concurrent with the morning and evening hours of prayer. The half hour before the incense offering is a half hour of silent prayer, (see Luke 1:9-10). The context tells us that it speaks of one of the hours of prayer, (the prayers of the holy ones mixed with incense ascend before Elohim by the hand of the Angel at the altar, Rev 8:3-4).

 

[Timtofly]

(7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

This verse does not say at that point Satan will ascend from the pit.

John is making reference to Satan, that will not even be addressed until a later point.

You have the 2 chronologically dead way before Satan is even said to ascend out of the pit.

The fact is that the pit was opened in the 5th Trumpet, and Satan could come and go at any time. Satan was not bound even in Amil reasoning after the 5th Trumpet.

Of course Amil have it backwards. The pit was opened and then later Satan was sealed inside. Amil think that the pit was locked first, and then opened.

No one knows when the angels were locked in the pit, but Satan was always free to come and go. Satan did not need the pit opened. But now that Satan's front door was opened wide, humans could see him come and go constantly.

This verse does not say will ascend, has ascended, nor even ascended just for the purpose to kill these 2.

The words "that ascendeth" is an ongoing phenomenon.


The other place mentined is when Satan comes out of the earth in Revelation 13:11

"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

This is the only other reference of ascending.

The last place is a future tense action, which had already happened as mentioned twice before.

"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit."

Evidently the 2 would die after this point. After Satan had been the 8th kingdom.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Again, just started to look into Revelation and just wanted to throw a question out there....

When Jesus opens the 7th seal there is a silence in heaven. Does this mean that all believers have been raptured into the presence of God and now the judgement on all who rejected Him would begin on the earth?

Jesus returns after the 6th seal (compare Rev 6:12-17 to Matthew 24:29-31), so I believe the reason for the silence in heaven at the 7th seal is because no one is there at that point. Jesus, His angels and the souls of the dead in Christ will have descended from heaven at that point. The souls of the dead in Christ will unite with their changed bodies and meet Jesus "in the air" after He descends from heaven. His angels will be coming with Him when He descends from heaven as well. I don't see any other reason for there to be silence in heaven except that no one is there during that time.

I know those who think that all of the trumpets and vials follow the 7th seal chronologically will disagree with me about this, but I believe the seals, trumpets and vials are parallel to each other rather than the seals, trumpets and vials all occurring one after the other in chronological order (all 7 seals followed by all 7 trumpets followed by all 7 vials).

 

[CTK]

Jesus returns after the 6th seal (compare Rev 6:12-17 to Matthew 24:29-31), so I believe the reason for the silence in heaven at the 7th seal is because no one is there at that point. Jesus, His angels and the souls of the dead in Christ will have descended from heaven at that point. The souls of the dead in Christ will unite with their changed bodies and meet Jesus "in the air" after He descends from heaven. His angels will be coming with Him when He descends from heaven as well. I don't see any other reason for there to be silence in heaven except that no one is there during that time.

I know those who think that all of the trumpets and vials follow the 7th seal chronologically will disagree with me about this, but I believe the seals, trumpets and vials are parallel to each other rather than the seals, trumpets and vials all occurring one after the other in chronological order (all 7 seals followed by all 7 trumpets followed by all 7 vials).

Thanks! I have a long way to go before I get to the 7’s but my initial thought is they are not consecutive but concurrent. It will be interesting to go through Revelation!

I cannot imagine it would be as difficult as Daniel…