God's Hatred

[Ritajanice]

Anyone who tells you that salvation is an instant soup deal is a liar.

Anyone who tells us that we aren’t Born Again in an instant, then they are in error, our spirit is Born Again, we are Born Of God’s seed, his seed remains in our spirit, we are in the new man,

We are partakers Of the divine nature.

2 Corinthians 5​

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5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
12 For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.
13 For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

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As soon as we are in the new man, the old man starts to die, why, because the power of Gods seed, the Holy Spirit is at work in our heart, making us into Jesus image, we will bear his fruit, etc,etc.

Romans 12​

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12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

 

[Scott Downey]

Born again is fast, and this means the person is technically in the salvation process and will be saved, is saved eternally.
But to have the full legal right to be called children of God, we must receive Him and we do know Christ told us all the Father teaches come to Him.
Way I look at this, the time can vary between being born again, and receiving Him
Being taught by the Father, that is a process. Can be quicker or slower. Some people are slower learners.
Since being born again removes the enmity the natural man has against Christ and God, that makes them a spiritual man, and teachable by the Spirit.

John 1
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

Romans 8

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be [b]carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [d]through His Spirit who dwells in you.

John 8
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

Born again people are of God and hear God's words, they will love Christ as God is their father and receive Him.
Then they have the legal and true standing to be recognized by the whole universe as the children of God.

John 5, Jesus is speaking to those who do not have the love of God in them , these men are not born again, they do not believe and are unwilling to come to Christ. To have God's living word abiding in you, means you have been born again by the Spirit of God and will believe and come to Christ.

37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form. 38 But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. 39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. 40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

41 “I do not receive honor from men. 42 But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. 43 I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. 44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God? 45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

 

[Scott Downey]

You can also see this in Ephesians 1
Where God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to belong to Christ
But we in our time, trusted in Him, which sealed us into our eternal inheritance.

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Whole chapter, and note, written to the saints, not the unbelieving world

that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, we are in His love, which reason He saved us
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1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,

To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Redemption in Christ​

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He [a]made us accepted in the Beloved.

7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and [b]prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, [c]both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

 

[Phoneman777]

There is a way that seems right onto me, but the end thereof is destruction. I'm in the exclusive club, (the narrow path). You're on the Broadway that seems right, in the eyes of worldly men

Yes, you're "specially chosen" while the rest of us don't even get an invitation - which is exactly what every Luciferian occult society teaches. Congratulations, you're the best player on Lucifer's team.

 

[Phoneman777]

No, your reasoning doesn't make any sense. I refuse to accept your opinion that God is confused and He contradicts Himself. That's what the Church of Satan preaches, but us Elect Saints of God, know that He never lies or contradicts anything He says.

Satan also uses your "hath God said" line to deceive His Elect, but I'm here to tell you that "heaven and earth shall pass away but Gods Word will never pass away, so you can try that deception on the non Elect, they might fall for it

IT WAS YOU who said we're supposed to "hate" aka "hate with total absence of love" our parents...and when I ask you to explain why Jesus says we're supposed to do that while simultaneously commanding us to "love" our pagan Samaritan non-brethren neighbors, you keep dodging the question, my fine Luciferian friend!

You won't answer because you know this proves my position: that "hate" sometimes means "prefer less" and not necessarily "hate with total absence of love".

 

[Christian Soldier]

We though are told to love our enemies and do good to them.
God endures with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath being fitted for destruction, yeah it is painful for men and God too.
But we must be as God, endure with longsuffering in the same way. This proves our salvation genuine.

Philippians 1
27 Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel, 28 and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but [f]to you of salvation, and that from God. 29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, 30 having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me.

Unless God changes their heart, their destruction is certain, it is just delayed so as to fill up the measure of their sins.
Matthew 5:43-48

Love Your Enemies​

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. ...

Hate is a loaded word, it is not monolithic, , there are degrees of hatred with God.
A better word than hate is wrath and you will find many more scriptures speaking of that.
God's wrath is for cause, because of what sinners do, especially if they are cruel.
God's outpouring wrath results in calamities, disasters.
God would not pour his hot wrath on someone He loves, wrath is not chastening, for whom the Lord loves He chastens for their good.
God is not indifferent to sin, sinners God does hate, however their destruction is delayed for a short time, but not all sinners does God hate some receive mercy as He loves them.

There do exist vessels of wrath who experience God's wrath and also vessels of mercy who experience God's mercy. For someone to be prepared for destruction, that is a process. They add sin to sin, are never chastised by God, and will experience punishing hellfire.

Romans 9
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

For the elect this, Christ gave His life for the sinful sheep, that those who believe may have eternal life.
Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

God's wrath can burn hot or cold and the result of wrath is destruction.
You do know that many of those people God brought out of Egypt displeased God and He destroyed them.
Only the remnant of them were saved.
But for whom the Lord loves He chastens for their good.

Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the Lord comes, Cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, To lay the land desolate; And He will destroy its sinners from it.

Proverbs 13:21
Evil pursues sinners, But to the righteous, good shall be repaid.

1 Samuel 15:18
Now the Lord sent you on a mission, and said, ‘Go, and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are consumed.’

Exodus 24
22 “You shall not afflict any widow or fatherless child. 23 If you afflict them in any way, and they cry at all to Me, I will surely hear their cry; 24 and My wrath will become hot, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.


Job 5:17
“Behold, happy is the man whom God corrects; Therefore do not despise the chastening of the Almighty.

Hebrews 12
3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:

“My son, do not despise the [c]chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”
7 If[d] you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no [e]chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

All of that is well and good, as long as we understand that God only loves His elect and He hates everyone else. If God loved sinners then He would be wicked Himself. God is not like a corrupt judge, who winks at sinners, He is a just Judge who must punish sinners with everlasting punishment.

Most Christians make the mistake of, comparing God to themselves. They have no idea how offensive sin is in Gods sight, Christians are sinners, so we don't think sin is a big deal and we foolishly thin that God is OK with sin as w are. But the reality is God hates sinners so much that He torments them in hell for all eternity.

 

[Christian Soldier]

IT WAS YOU who said we're supposed to "hate" aka "hate with total absence of love" our parents...and when I ask you to explain why Jesus says we're supposed to do that while simultaneously commanding us to "love" our pagan Samaritan non-brethren neighbors, you keep dodging the question, my fine Luciferian friend!

You won't answer because you know this proves my position: that "hate" sometimes means "prefer less" and not necessarily "hate with total absence of love".

Your problem is not with my theology, as I only quote scripture. You hate Gods Word when it exposes your false theology, so your problem is not with me, but it's with God Himself.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello to whom it may concern,

I can’t change anyone’s mind. It takes a renewed mind in Christ; if Yahavah didn’t love the world, he wouldn’t have sent his son to save it.

 

[Phoneman777]

Your problem is not with my theology, as I only quote scripture. You hate Gods Word when it exposes your false theology, so your problem is not with me, but it's with God Himself.

The best way to maintain credibility in the sight of others is to answer the objections of those with whom you disagree...and not risk the credibility-destroying impression that you're unable to answer.

 

[Jack]

That's rubbish, that trash is not in the bible. None of that means what you say it means, so it's just trash.

Ephesians 6:2-3
2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise:
3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."

That's not in the Bible? It's trash? No Christian would take your religion of HATE seriously!

 

[Jack]

OK, you stick with that Jesus,

But I'll stick with the Jesus who commanded us to hate our parents.

Luke 14:26 ,“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple.“

The Jesus of hate, is more exciting that the meek and mild, long haired hippy version of Jesus, who loves everyone unconditionally. I just don't like that Jesus.

I will indeed, Jesus of the Bible!

 

[Jack]

That's rubbish, that trash is not in the bible. None of that means what you say it means, so it's just trash.

I checked 40 English translations and that "rubbish and trash" is Jesus' own Words and is in all of them. Do you have a Bible?

Ephesians 6:1-3
2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise:
3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."

 

[quietthinker]

We always hear about Gods love of sinners.

John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

But nobody likes to hear about Gods hatred of the world.

John 2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Some Christians believe that God wants us to love our enemy, but we see that Gods forbids us to love our enemy the world.

God even tells us that we cannot be His Disciples if we don't hate our mother and father, let alone our enemies.

Luke 14:26-30 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.

The bible describes Gods hatred in many places, below are just some.

1. God hates the workers of iniquity (Psalm 5:5)
2. God hates the wicked (Psalm 11:5)
3. God hates the sacrifices of the wicked (Proverbs 15:8)
4. God hates the ways of the wicked (Proverbs 15:9)
5. God hates the thoughts of the wicked (Proverbs 15:26)
6. God hates feet that make haste to run to evil (Proverbs 6:18)
7. God hated Esau (Malachi 1:1-3; Romans 9:13)
8. God hates the deeds of the Nicolaitans (Revelation 2:6)

God hates everyone outside of Christ, so when we hear people misquoting John 3"16 to make it say "God so loved the whole world and every single person in it", know that there is no truth in them and they have come under strong delusion.

The 'in' club and the 'out' club is assumed is God's organising. He hates some, he loves others is the mantra. Are we not aware that we superimpose our sinful attitude onto God.....including the OT Prophets? Are we not aware that God gave us a full picture of himself in Jesus? Are we not aware that attributing the hate of people onto God we further the objectives of Satan under the cover of pretended piety?

It was the religious leaders in Jesus day who pursued this approach. It justified in their thinking their pedantic, narrow and self seeking lifestyle.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Hello to whom it may concern,

I can’t change anyone’s mind. It takes a renewed mind in Christ; if Yahavah didn’t love the world, he wouldn’t have sent his son to save it.

For God hated the world so much, that He killed every man, woman, child and unborn child, save eight. Now tell me about this love God has for the world, and I will tell you about His hatred for the world. Are you suggesting that God has a mental disorder, like bi polar disease.
If your suggesting that He casts the vast majority of those He loves into hell, and then torments them with fire for all eternity. Then your god is a sick psychopath.

 

[Christian Soldier]

The best way to maintain credibility in the sight of others is to answer the objections of those with whom you disagree...and not risk the credibility-destroying impression that you're unable to answer.

I'm not here to promote my credibility, I'm only interested in proclaiming the truth of the gospel. I know most Christians hate the true gospel, because the truth is so awful that men killed Him.

The truth is not a ting, it's a person and His name is the Lord Jesus Christ. He said they will hate you for My Names sake and they will persecute you and kill you, but remember they hated Me first.

So when I proclaim the truth and people like you reject it, you are rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ, whom I follow.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Ephesians 6:2-3
2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise:
3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."

That's not in the Bible? It's trash? No Christian would take your religion of HATE seriously!

Why are you trying to say that God is a liar who contradicts Himself. Why don't you deal with the verse where He said "unless you hate your mother and father, you can not follow Me".
Why did you refer to unrelated verses, instead of dealing with the problem verses.

What has honoring your parents have to do with hating them. Honoring them, may mean condemning them and disowning them. What if your parents decide to join the Church of Satan, are you going to honor them by joying them in their evil pursuit?????? can you see how ridiculous your argument is???????????

 

[Christian Soldier]

I will indeed, Jesus of the Bible!

OK, that's better now. You finally agree that the Jesus of the Bible said, "you can't be My disciple, unless you hate your mother and father. I'm glad to see you have capitulated and embraced the true Jesus of the Bible and not the fictitious one most Christians follow.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I checked 40 English translations and that "rubbish and trash" is Jesus' own Words and is in all of them. Do you have a Bible?

Ephesians 6:1-3
2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise:
3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."

 

[Christian Soldier]

The 'in' club and the 'out' club is assumed is God's organising. He hates some, he loves others is the mantra. Are we not aware that we superimpose our sinful attitude onto God.....including the OT Prophets? Are we not aware that God gave us a full picture of himself in Jesus? Are we not aware that attributing the hate of people onto God we further the objectives of Satan under the cover of pretended piety?

It was the religious leaders in Jesus day who pursued this approach. It justified in their thinking their pedantic, narrow and self seeking lifestyle.

OK, so you're happy to ignore all of those harsh Bible doctrines and instead cherry pick the Bible like a smorgasbord. You do that at your own peril and to your own detriment.

I can tell you now, that Jesus is not that meek and mild, long haired hippy which Hollywood portrayed. You're in for a vey rude shock if you swallow that rubbish about Him.

 

[quietthinker]

OK, so you're happy to ignore all of those harsh Bible doctrines and instead cherry pick the Bible like a smorgasbord. You do that at your own peril and to your own detriment.

I can tell you now, that Jesus is not that meek and mild, long haired hippy which Hollywood portrayed. You're in for a vey rude shock if you swallow that rubbish about Him.

One is also in for a rude shock if one attempts to understand the OT with a western mindset/ values/ paradigm.

It's not about cherry picking in the slightest, it is understanding the cultures that the Hebrews were subjected to and influenced by. It is also understanding at least some of the Hebrew value system. All these things shaped their paradigm from which they wrote.

As an illustration, how would you think an eskimo would understand the reality of a Cow Boy in Arizona? He would try to understand it through his own paradigm and inevitably draw conclusions not in line with the Cow Boy's