That's a standard apologetic. "... so that they are without excuse."
Is recognizing the creator God the ONLY condition? It wasn't even on your list earlier.
This apologetic doesn't hold water.
But you have made up your mind. That's fine.
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Spiritual Extortion - The threat of consequence for refusing the "Free Gift" of salvation
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Is recognizing the creator God the ONLY condition? It wasn't even on your list earlier.
This apologetic doesn't hold water.
But you have made up your mind. That's fine.
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Good question.
Yes. I've been a faithful attender most of my life.
I love my current church. But I have to put up with doctrinal disagreement that I keep to myself.
They are LOVELY people and I don't want to hurt any of them. (or get myself expelled)
My wife is part of the equation. We go to church together. She is very active.
This church has been really good for her. It would hurt her deeply if I left the church.
We have discussed it.
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Romans 1:19-20 is a "standard apologetic"??
It's one of the most important verses in the entire NT.
YOU brought up the problem of what happens to persons that have never heard the gospel and how it represents a problem to you.
I gave you a good verse and you just brush it off because it doesn't jive with your belief system?
WHY are some without excuse?
I'm having this convo with another member (maybe on this very thread - not sure) that also refuses to go down the path of
Romans 1....it does make me pause to wonder why.
This is the reason they are without excuse:
God has revealed Himself to ALL of mankind.
A person can either accept or deny God.
THAT is what makes each and every one of us be without excuse.
I'll get into this further if anyone cares to discuss....
and I am posting this for others that might be reading along and not for you since it seems you have closed your mind to a discussion.
For now I would just suggest we read up on some persons in the NT...
Lydia is one and Cornelius would be another.
Were they ever familiarized with the gospel?
No.
Did they accept it after they l earned of it?
Yes.
Those persons that acknowledge God and serve Him will surely accept the gospel IF they are ever presented with it.
There are other reasons I'd be happy to get into.
Like Hebrews 10 for instance.
Like the OT for instance.
Like WHY we are saved through Jesus --- no matter if we know Him or not.
You funny SS. Be honest now.
Not every list could have every item on it.
That does not exclude some item at some time.
Most times I add that's there's probably more....
Recognizing the creater,,,as Romans 1 states....is the MAIN reason for salvation.
If we don't even recognize the Creator.....what good is anything else?
Hebrews 11:6
Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him.
It holds plenty of water SS.
You just don't want to accept it.
Ditto.
But others might be interested.
However, let me say this:
In the future you SHOULD NOT bring up the excuse of believing what you do
because of the problem you presented - which is not a problem at all.
God will judge each one on what HE personally has believed and done.
God is a just God.
Welcome to the club.
This is what we probably all, or at least the vast majority, must accept.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
She understands scripture the way she interprets it and believes.
That scripture she posted , doesn’t resonate with my spirit,it resonates with hers.
Same as scripture I post, it resonates with my spirit, yet it doesn’t resonate with hers.she can never discuss scripture that I post.
Therefore we are all at different levels of understanding scripture..
She gives us verses that she understands only..we do the same..am I making sense @St. SteVen ?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I wait on the Spirit, to lead me to a new church..happy to hear about your church.
What a silly thing to say RJ.
My goodness but the Holy Spirit must be a really bad teacher if His spirit resonates differently with each Christian.
And,,,,since you don't care to discuss Romans 1:19-20,,,,I suggest you make no comment regarding it when mentioning ME....
who is very willing to discuss it and who finds it VERY IMPORTANT to understand.
But, alas, it goes against the grain of some doctrinal beliefs...so better to IGNORE some scripture...
as YOU do.
Yes.
Honestly, I have met many on Christian forums that are not church attenders.
I used to quote Hebrews 10:25 at them, (not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing)
But I came to find out that they had their reasons. So, I backed off with my preaching at them.
I also had disappointing experiences that could have put me out the door.
I remember screaming at the top of my lungs in the parking lot at a church elder I took issue with.
(after he put me out of his recovery group) He had actually put a wedge between my wife and I.
And my wife sided with him. Boy was I angry! (bastard)
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Also, I would ask that you tag me in when speaking about me.
I'm sure there's a rule about this...
and it's just common courtesy.
Thanks.
Father God,
Show Ritajanice a healthy fellowship where she can be encouraged and use her gifts to enrich the fellowship. AMEN
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
You only want to discuss the scripture that you understand....you are unable to discuss what scripture I post..
I asked you questions about the heart/spirit..no answer.
Therefore you and I are at different levels of understanding Gods word.
You have just posted your opinion.no more valid than mine or anyone else’s.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
These are sad comments SS.
My sister in law refuses to go to any church anymore and she was very involved with her church.
I was in a Nazarene church many years ago and I had a little debate with the pastor because he insisted that if we
commit a sin, we lose our salvation. Now, I'm not OSAS,,,,but boy,,,,isn't that taking it a bit to the extreme?
And I'm attending a CC right now for various reasons, and, boy, could I tell you stories since I know some priests personally.
But, generally speaking, it's good to have fellowship with other Christians NO MATTER what they believe....
which is why I TRY to be very civil on forums (but I probably get out of hand at times) beccause no matter our doctrine we're still brothers in Christ - and I know not all Christians even believe this.
Don't forget to reply to my post 103.
And if you're not interested....that's OK too.
No comment.
I tag everyone I mention....not saying I don't maybe forget a time or two...
BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE A HABIT to speak behind someone's back.
You have a very sly way of insulting persons.
I DO happen to be able to pick up on it.
I don't post opinion....
I post scripture...
something YOU do not care to do.
Well, actually at times you DO post scripture...
but it makes no sense....to what is being discussed at the time.
I gave you my honest assessment. Are your apologetics god-breathed?
I'm a recovering Evangelical. I'm familiar with ALL the standard apologetics.
I was a missionary and an Elder/bible teacher in my church.
What does your position on this say about the character of God?
Do you understand what I mean when I say "spiritual extortion"?
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Let's work this out and see where it leads.
A person comes to the realization that their must be a creator God.
Now what? Are they saved? Did they meet the condition for salvation?
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Why does it grieve you?
There are quite a few on the forum, that you have barneys with...try not to over exaggerate our disagreement , they are no more petty, than the ones that you have disagreements with on the forum, imo.
In other words, don’t make a mountain out of a molehill.. @GodsGrace has said her goodbyes to me, flown away in a hot air balloon...she may well land in my new topic....the heart and matters of the Spirit.
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