ChristinaL
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Sorry but you would still be totally wrong. And would you quit speaking of yourself in the We are not amused royal plural
So Anne Frank and all other dead Jews are burning in Hell forever, right?
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Webers_Home
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I've watched a number of films pertaining to the Rapture and every one of
them left out the part where the remains of 2,000 years of deceased
Christians from all over the globe will be restored to life. (1Thess 4:14-17)
The films also left out the part where Jesus' followers rise into the air to
meet him. Instead the films showed them here one second and gone the
next, but I rather suspect the event should be easily observed all 'round the
world if it proceeds as described in 1Thess 4:13-17 because 2,000 years of
deceased believers from all over the globe added to the world's current
believers, will likely construct a flash mob resembling a mini Oort Cloud
when they all levitate together at one time to rendezvous with the Lord up in
the sky.
The mob is likely to get pretty noisy too what with all the cheering, laughing,
and shouting that's sure to take place when Jesus' followers receive their
new bodies; which of course will be immune to death and the aging process.
(1Cor 15:51-53)
* The "blink" element of the rapture pertains to the miraculous
transformation that Jesus' followers will undergo during the event. (1Cor
15:51-52)
The films also showed tiny children being taken while their parents are left
behind. That's highly doubtful because minors have often been collateral
damage in the Bible when God slammed their parents, e.g. zero children
survived the Flood, and 120,00 would've been lost had God found it
necessary to follow thru with His threat to annihilate Nineveh. (Jonah 4:11)
One of the films depicted a Christian pastor left behind and to him it was no
mystery. He frankly admitted to being a career minister rather than a called
minister, i.e. he was a man of business rather than a man of faith. In real
life, there will likely be quite a few like him miss the cut because numbers of
men coming out of seminaries take up the cloth as a career rather than because
of a longing to be of use to Christ.
I once heard a retired pastor say on radio that if the rapture were to occur
Saturday, quite a few churches would have no members missing Sunday
morning. That's a strong possibility as some card-carrying, church-attending
Christians, are so because it rounds out the week and it looks good on a
social resumé.
NOTE: People shouldn't let the rapture cause them panic because it isn't the
end of the world, rather, it's just a round-up.
Folks who missed the cut can still get themselves spared retribution and
perdition, viz: it's not like all hope is lost. In point of fact, vast numbers of
folks from all over the globe will be saved during the interlude between the
rapture and Christ's return. (Rev 7:9-14)
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Behold
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Look at the context of your verse.
"If you continue, in HIS Goodness"...
"HIS Goodness"...
This is the "Goodness of God" that is the Mercy of God, that is the ""Gift of Salvation."
You have to be "IN" that.... "goodness" that is "HIS".
How do you not continue in Salvation?, by not being "IN HIS Goodness"???
By not actually being saved.... to begin with. = "Having a form of Godliness, but denying the power thereof"..
A.) Religious... water baptized.... but Lost.
ChristinaL
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Dont put much trust in Rapture movies, for starters. LEFT BEHIND for example though the movies arent bad themselves they are scripturally pretty errant. Secondly the bible is pretty clear that the dead in Christ shall rise first (you already know that one) then immediately the rest of us go up.
Secondly the children killed in the flood were not human children for the most part- many were Nephilim. And those that were human, God would have taken them to Paradise.
You said something about the mob getting pretty noisy...Ummm..yeah....ok...so?
The part where you mention "career minister"....Are you speaking of A THIEF IN THE NIGHT? We have all four of those- and while they do not mention what the mark of the beast will most likely be (as the first of the movies came out about 10 years before the first microchips hit the market) personally I like them better than LEFT BEHIND
Ronald Nolette
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PlAYING GOD AND PRETENDING YOU KNOW WHAT IS IN ME IS IDOLATRY. BUT THEN AGAIN IN OVER A DOZEN THREADS, i HAVE LEARNED YOU ARE MORE IN LOVE WITH YOU ROWN OPINION THAN WHAT THE WORD OF GOD HAS TO SAY. YOU FEAR THAT WORD FOR IT EXPOSES YOUR OPINIONS AS FALSE.
Behold
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Yelling is the mind of a child. Mr "CAP-LOCK".
And you are certainly that one.. @Ronald Nolette
So, when you combine immaturity with demonic calvinism, you really have found the bottom of the spiritual ditch.
Ronald Nolette
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Well I wasn't yelling and your reading of people really sucks.
But once again just another excuse to insult others and stay away from defending your position with the Bible or showing why the position I hold is unbiblical.
You are more interested in exalting yourself instead of bringing glory to God by showing His word.
ChristinaL
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Look any time one uses all caps that is always seen as shouting even if you arent trying to. If you want to emphasize certain things its best to use the BOLD
Behold
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Im not here on the Forum Selling John Calvinism.
John Calvinism insults The Cross of Christ.
Behold
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On a Forum......the members can't see each other..
So, what we do is we read what Members post, as their Theology, and that defines them.. That's their "Theological Fruit".
I "read" that........and i read you as a Calvinist.
A Calvinist, is a person who is deceived by Calvinism, and then wants to do that to everyone else.
That's your "fruit", as that is your self defined "ministry", @Ronald Nolette
Behold
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I never exalt myself, but i do lift up The Cross, and give Jesus all credit due Him alone..... for saving us and keeping us saved.
Calvin on the other Hand tells Jesus and John.. that The Cross of Christ is not for the World, even tho John 3:16 says the opposite.
Here is a quote for you.
""""He who created us without our help will not save us without our consent."""
- Augustine
Earburner
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KJV Rom. 10
[11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him [The Lord Jesus Christ] shall not be ashamed.
[12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
[13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord [Jesus Christ] shall be saved.
No one burns in hell (their grave) forever. It is simply that all the graves, in the earth, and the unsaved occupants within them, ARE DEAD FOREVER, and shall be burned up, but for no other reason except that the entire earth is burned up, wherein lie the graves.
KJV 2 Peter 3
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements [earth] shall melt with fervent heat?
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
KJV Rev. 20
[14] And death [all the living unsaved] and hell [all the unsaved dead in their graves] were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
See also KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10 for similar understanding.
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YOu do nothing but exalt you opinion! I have engaged you on over a dozen threads now and you rartely ever reply with Scripture, just vacuous accusations, slander and lies.
Well if Augustine wrote part of the bible I would pay attention to it. but here is aquoute for you:
Romans 9:14-24
King James Version
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
From the apostle Paul you say you follow but refuse to engage with this passage on several threads now.
amigo de christo
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No . all who die rejecting CHRIST JESUS as CHRIST , whether they are jew or gentile will burn .
not all jews or all gentiles will burn . ONLY THOSE WHO REJECTED JESUS IS THE CHRIST
and or followed another jesus another gospel .
Behold
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You are a man follower, who is deceived by a man. = Hebrews 13:9
You have no other Theology...no other Ministry.. As you are a self proclaimed Calvinist, and you follow this man, you teach this man's theology, and this man owns your mind.
Paul said "WHO has bewitched you".. and in your case it would be John Calvin.
Now i understand that you can stop trying to SELL Calvinism, as that is what He does to His : Disciples.... @Ronald Nolette .
Keep proving me right.
Ronald Nolette
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If you only knew whatr you say.
But once again from the Apostle Paul:
Romans 9:14-24
King James Version
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
In time may God open your blind eyes to see WHO I promote and that I sell nothing.
You peddle empty rhetoric from an empty soul. and I weep because of that for you.
Webers_Home
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We can tell from certain portions of the Bible that folks in the afterlife are
there identifiable as themselves. And we know their memories are intact,
and we know they are fully sentient. (e.g. Isa 14:9-10)
The chemistry and the characteristics of their mobility remain a bit of a
mystery seeing as how we cannot be sure whether they have physical bodies
or nonphysical bodies but according to the details of the story told at Luke
16:19-31, the rich man has eyes and a tongue, Abraham has a bosom, and
Lazarus has a finger.
Soul began appearing in the Bible in the book of Genesis by the Hebrew
word nephesh (neh'-fesh) which isn't unique to human life. Its first
appearance is at Gen 1:20-21 in reference to aqua creatures and winged
creatures; again at Gen 1:24 as terra creatures; viz: cattle, creepy crawlies,
and wild beasts; and again in Gen 2:7 as the human creature; and yet again
at Gen 9:10 to classify every creature aboard Noah's ark.
* God has a soul too. (Lev 26:11, Lev 26:30, Judg 10:16, Isa 42:1, Jer
32:41, Zech 11:8)
Soul is somewhat ambiguous but basically refers to consciousness, self
awareness, and individuality. It's sometimes a reference to one's heart, e.g.
Gen 34:3, and to the core of one's being, e.g. Gen 27:4. All in all, soul is
just another way of referring to that part of sentient life that we call "self"
Now; the human body can be terminated by most any means, but the soul
can only be terminated by the hand of God.
● Matt 10:28 . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill
the soul; but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in
Hell.
It seems clear to me that the rich man's soul was intact and fully functioning
in Luke 16:19-31 so I think we can be reasonably confident he was not yet
in the Hell spoken of by Matt 10:28. In point of fact the Hell set up for
destroying souls is translated from an entirely different Greek word than the
rich man's Hell.
To my knowledge there are only two varieties of Hell listed in the Bible; so
then, I think we can be reasonably confident that the Hell set up for
destroying souls is the lake of fire depicted by Rev 20:11-15.
The soul is what lends folks their individuality and their sentience. So: if it
undergoes destruction in the lake of fire, then I think it just might possibly
be that the folks who come out on the wrong side of Rev 20:11-15 will end
up as vegetables which, though not a desirable fate, is certainly better than
everlasting conscious suffering.
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We can tell from certain portions of the Bible that folks in the afterlife are
there identifiable as themselves. And we know their memories are intact,
and we know they are fully sentient. (e.g. Isa 14:9-10)
The chemistry and the characteristics of their mobility remain a bit of a
mystery seeing as how we cannot be sure whether they have physical bodies
or nonphysical bodies but according to the details of the story told at Luke
16:19-31, the rich man has eyes and a tongue, Abraham has a bosom, and
Lazarus has a finger.
Soul began appearing in the Bible in the book of Genesis by the Hebrew
word nephesh (neh'-fesh) which isn't unique to human life. Its first
appearance is at Gen 1:20-21 in reference to aqua creatures and winged
creatures; again at Gen 1:24 as terra creatures; viz: cattle, creepy crawlies,
and wild beasts; and again in Gen 2:7 as the human creature; and yet again
at Gen 9:10 to classify every creature aboard Noah's ark.
* God has a soul too. (Lev 26:11, Lev 26:30, Judg 10:16, Isa 42:1, Jer
32:41, Zech 11:8)
Soul is somewhat ambiguous but basically refers to consciousness, self
awareness, and individuality. It's sometimes a reference to one's heart, e.g.
Gen 34:3, and to the core of one's being, e.g. Gen 27:4. All in all, soul is
just another way of referring to that part of sentient life that we call "self"
Now; the human body can be terminated by most any means, but the soul
can only be terminated by the hand of God.
● Matt 10:28 . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill
the soul; but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in
Hell.
It seems clear to me that the rich man's soul was intact and fully functioning
in Luke 16:19-31 so I think we can be reasonably confident he was not yet
in the Hell spoken of by Matt 10:28. In point of fact the Hell set up for
destroying souls is translated from an entirely different Greek word than the
rich man's Hell.
To my knowledge there are only two varieties of Hell listed in the Bible; so
then, I think we can be reasonably confident that the Hell set up for
destroying souls is the lake of fire depicted by Rev 20:11-15.
The soul is what lends folks their individuality and their sentience. So: if it
undergoes destruction in the lake of fire, then I think it just might possibly
be that the folks who come out on the wrong side of Rev 20:11-15 will end
up as vegetables which, though not a desirable fate, is certainly better than
everlasting conscious suffering.
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