So Anne Frank and all other dead Jews are burning in Hell forever, right?

[ChristinaL]

I'm just wanting to confirm my understanding of mainstream Christian beliefs. All Jews who die a Jew are sent to Hell to burn forever, correct?

Jesus is pretty clear, I am the way, the truth and the life. NO ONE, (Jew or Gentile) comes to the Father but by me. You would really have to be a hateful cold hearted (insert unrepeatable word of your choice here) to wish hell upon anyone but that is just the way it is. No other way but through Jesus

 

[Behold]

Jesus is pretty clear, I am the way, the truth and the life. NO ONE, (Jew or Gentile) comes to the Father but by me. You would really have to be a hateful cold hearted (insert unrepeatable word of your choice here) to wish hell upon anyone but that is just the way it is. No other way but through Jesus

John 14:6

 

[TigersPaw]

Calvinists teach that God Himself, decided that some of your family........could not trust in Christ, and so some already died, or will later, and will go to Hell.

Calvinism (TULIP) teaches that God pre-chose some of your family to go to Hell, because GOD HIMSELF, wont allow them to Trust in Christ.

So, your verse, proves that Calvinists, and GOD......are not of the same mind or understanding or Faith.

In Fact John CALVINISM does not even KNOW the Father of Jesus The Christ, according to His Theology, that denies The Cross and SPITS on the Grace of God

The easiest way to define these classes is .
The old Testament had its set of laws, the new testament has its set of laws.
And are applied pre-or post .
I am always unsure why everyone over complicates this.
I am a strong believer in simplicity.
2 Peter 3:9, which says, "He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."
Seems pretty cut and dry to me :)

 

[Webers_Home]

I mean I am not God so no way to know what he thinks.

I'm glad someone brought that up because it doesn't get enough attention
these days.

● 1Cor 2:10-11 . . For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except
the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of
God except the Spirit of God.

Apparently the supreme being has a bit of difficulty establishing a meaningful
rapport with mankind because of the limitations of our natural intuition. That's
even a problem between men and women. The sexes are constantly
misunderstanding each other because they don't think alike.

Now, the Spirit is someone whom the supreme being utilizes to break the
down communication log jam between Himself and mankind.

● 1Cor 2:12-14 . . We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit
who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in
words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

The Spirit who is from God endows certain folks with a special intuition that
enables them to pick up insights that they would otherwise miss.

● 1Cor 2:14 . .The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that
come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot
understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
_

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm just wanting to confirm my understanding of mainstream Christian beliefs. All Jews who die a Jew are sent to Hell to burn forever, correct?

Well I would call it biblical belief, but yes.

anyone who has died since Pentecost without trusting in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus for their sin is lost forever.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You should hold unto that verse, as it destroys Calvinism and Hyper Calvinism, that teach that God does not want everyone to become a Christian.

When will you stop slandering the Word of God and the brethren?

Calvinsim does not teach that, but it does teach the biblical truth, that unless God draws someone to Jesus, they cannot come to HIm in and of themself.

As you hate teh Greek you do not understand this verse.

Gods desire is that people would be saved, but as Jesus said the vast super majority go to destruction.
Romans 8:
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

1 Cor. 2:

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Romans 9:

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

These passages utterly destroy the myth that an unsaved person has free will to choose god on their own.

 

[Behold]

When will you stop slandering the Word of God and the brethren?

Calvinism is "of the Devil".

Its an "Anti-Cross" "Anti-Christ" Theology, that pretends to teach Truth, but only twists it, warps it, and subverts the Grace of God, into "TULIP" the "5 Points" that are then expanded as "Hyper-Calvinism">

Notice Carefully.

God is not a Calvinist.
God make : Christians
John Calvin makes : Calvinists.

Jesus is not a Calvinist
The Holy Spirit is NOT a Calvinist.
The Bible does not teach Calvinism
Paul does not teach Calvinism

Calvinism is a "doctrine of devils".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Calvinism is "of the Devil".

Its an "Anti-Cross" "Anti-Christ" Theology, that pretends to teach Truth, but only twists it, warps it, and subverts the Grace of God, into "TULIP" the "5 Points" that are then expanded as "Hyper-Calvinism">

Notice Carefully.

God is not a Calvinist.
God make : Christians
John Calvin makes : Calvinists.

Jesus is not a Calvinist
The Holy Spirit is NOT a Calvinist.
The Bible does not teach Calvinism
Paul does not teach Calvinism

Calvinism is a "doctrine of devils".

And once again all we have is your slanderous opinion and nothing from gods word.

Empty rhetoric from one who cannot defend their position from gods Word.

 

[Behold]

Empty rhetoric from one who cannot defend their position from gods Word.

You are a Hyper Calvinist, who is selling the doctrines of Calvinism, as if that is Christianity....as if this is a God Called Ministry.
So, when you are that owned by a doctrine of devils.... for over 30 yrs.......no verse i can post, is going to penetrate that situation.

You dont even realize that you are nothing but a Calvinism seller., and its a bit late for you to recover.

You are this one..
Read that verse, as you'll probably be able to at least read it, and get the message.

Luke 11:35

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You are a Hyper Calvinist, who is selling the doctrines of Calvinism, as if that is Christianity....as if this is a God Called Ministry.
So, when you are that owned by a doctrine of devils.......no verse i can post, is going to penetrate.

You dont even realize that you are nothing but a Calvinism seller., and its a bit late for you to recover.

You are this one..
Read that verse, as you'll probably be able to at least read it, and get the message.

Luke 11:35

I am not worried about the light in me. I know who I believe in and serve!

And I see you are choosing the cowards way out! Instead of defending your positions godly by the "Word you just continue to slander accuse and falsely accuse the brethren.

I have shown everyone here many verses that show the five points are biblical, while yopu on teh other hand refuse to show why your ameniast points are biblical.

 

[Behold]

I am not worried about the light in me.

Yes, that is obvious.

And......... when you teach dark light, you are one.

And as i told you, when you deny that the Cross of Christ is for the WORLD, John 3:16.... then you are teaching "Anti-Cross" theology.

Galatians 1:8

You say you dont care about that dark light you are preaching, but you must care about it as you cant stop trying to sell it.
And that is very obvious.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus is pretty clear, I am the way, the truth and the life. NO ONE, (Jew or Gentile) comes to the Father but by me. You would really have to be a hateful cold hearted (insert unrepeatable word of your choice here) to wish hell upon anyone but that is just the way it is. No other way but through Jesus

Here, I think Christians blow it and adapt to pervert Scripture to "support" their doctrine. Yes, Jesus is the judge on Judgement Day, the only way to eternal life, to the Father who grants eternal life. But this does not mean that only those who believe him will be saved. See Romans 2.

A fair reading of Scripture is found in Roman 10:9 "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." The converse is not true. Example:

• If you give me your toast, I will put butter on it.
• CONVERSE: If you do NOT give me your toast, I will NOT put butter on it.

Romans 10:9 is a guarentee. Romans 2 is not. One is SHALL be saved; the other is MAY be saved. Only an imprudent person would choose a possibility over a guarantee. There are many imprudent people nonetheless and others, for one reason or another, who do not make the Romans 10:9 declaration, e.g., babies, mentally impaired, those who never even heard of Jesus or did not have the time to learn about him. I trust Jesus with all their lives, even if they did not.

 

[Behold]

There are many imprudent people nonetheless and others, for one reason or another, who do not make the Romans 10:9 declaration,

Water Baptism is a "confession of faith", that should occur subsequent to being born again.

But, even if you are never water baptized, ..and if you dont own a Bible and would not know that Roman's 9 says to "confess"....

Then ......its OK.... because God has seen in your heart that you have BELIEVED in Jesus, after you heard the Gospel.... and He accepted your Faith, instantly, and forgave your sin,.... and now being forgiven, the Holy Spirit of God, births your spirit as "born...again".

This spiritual birth, creates a "New Creation in Christ" and that is ETERNAL.

 

[ChristinaL]

Here, I think Christians blow it and adapt to pervert Scripture to "support" their doctrine. Yes, Jesus is the judge on Judgement Day, the only way to eternal life, to the Father who grants eternal life. But this does not mean that only those who believe him will be saved. See Romans 2.

A fair reading of Scripture is found in Roman 10:9 "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." The converse is not true. Example:

• If you give me your toast, I will put butter on it.
• CONVERSE: If you do NOT give me your toast, I will NOT put butter on it.

Romans 10:9 is a guarentee. Romans 2 is not. One is SHALL be saved; the other is MAY be saved. Only an imprudent person would choose a possibility over a guarantee. There are many imprudent people nonetheless and others, for one reason or another, who do not make the Romans 10:9 declaration, e.g., babies, mentally impaired, those who never even heard of Jesus or did not have the time to learn about him. I trust Jesus with all their lives, even if they did not.

" But this does not mean that only those who believe him will be saved. See Romans 2.". Umm yeah it does.


Unless you are a baby (who obviously cannot be held accountable for your sins and make the choice for Christ) or you are an adult with such a severe intellectual disability which pretty much makes you like a baby, you have NO EXCUSE

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

With the second part........Geez man what did you graduate from the 3rd grade? Because your reading comprehension is terrible. Your toast example is a really rotten justification for your false belief

If you are referring to Romans 2:14-15 that does not say that those who do not know Jesus will be saved if they live by the Law

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

What that says is that every man has a God-given conscience, a basic sense of right and wrong, and provided that that conscience hasnt been flayed alive that means their own consciences convict them of sin. Which happens to all of us growing up even before we are saved. That does not say we are saved if we die not knowing Jesus.

 

[TigersPaw]

Just a FYI this topic is a hotbed. But can we all be adults and stop with the name calling and insults.
The 4 pages of this topic is full of it, and well its not very polite to do so.

I saw this test online a few months ago, it was a man that just for the day, interacted with people as if he was Jesus,
Not that he is Jesus, but if he was, how would he treat each person he interacted with. He said it was harder then he thought.
Because even when he did not act, he thought things Jesus would not. We are not perfect, every one in this topic is a flawed person, and sinful. And knowing scripture, or some passage better then the next guy/girl. Does not mean you can say what you want when defending the faith.
The Bible places a strong emphasis on the manner in which believers are called to defend their faith, especially in the New Testament. Speaking truth isn’t a license to be harsh or dismissive; rather, it’s an invitation to engage with grace, gentleness, and respect.

A key passage that speaks to this is 1 Peter 3:15-16:

"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander."

This passage highlights that defending the faith isn’t just about having the right answers; it’s equally about the attitude and tone with which those answers are given. The call is to be gentle and respectful, which reflects the love and humility that Christ exemplified. Even in challenging discussions, believers are encouraged to maintain a conduct that reflects the character of Christ.

Paul also advises believers on this topic in Colossians 4:6:

"Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone."

Here, "seasoned with salt" implies that our words should be wise, insightful, and compassionate, not blunt or overly critical. Graceful communication respects others' dignity and gently invites them to explore faith rather than alienating them.

Lastly, Ephesians 4:15 speaks to "speaking the truth in love," indicating that love should be the driving force behind all communication, even when correcting or defending the faith.

These verses remind us that truth without love can easily turn into pride or arrogance, which is not aligned with the spirit of the Gospel. Believers are encouraged to defend their faith in a way that reflects the humility, patience, and love that Christ showed, ensuring that the message is heard and the heart of the person on the other side is valued.

 

[Wrangler]

Unless you are a baby (who obviously cannot be held accountable for your sins and make the choice for Christ) or you are an adult with such a severe intellectual disability which pretty much makes you like a baby

So, you are acknowledging exceptions. We agree.

 

[ChristinaL]

So, you are acknowledging exceptions. We agree.

Yeah there will always be those exceptions. Like when the Rapture happens it wont be just saved Christian believers raptured but also babies/young children under the age of accountability from any religion or lack of. But that is IT. No other exceptions. I am speaking of people who have no excuse. If you are mature enough to acknowledge your sin and accept Jesus as Lord and God come in the flesh for sinful men you must or there is no choice.

 

[Wrangler]

Yeah there will always be those exceptions.... No other exceptions.

Well, we agree there are exceptions, just not on the limit of those exceptions.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

John 3:36 is not a myth.

And neither is Romans 11:22

Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF thou continue in his goodness: OTHERWISE THOU ALSO SHALT BE CUT OFF.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Calvinism is "of the Devil".

Yep, and so is so called "once saved always saved" which was started by the false doctrines of the "reformers" who failed to teach the whole counsel of God