Is God a Dictator? Is His Creation a Democracy?

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If God gets what he wants all the time is that not the definition of a Dictator?.....then choice is not free. It is constrained.
If God's Creation gets to vote who they will have as their ruler (Democracy) and they choose other than God......how does God process that?
 

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If God gets what he wants all the time is that not the definition of a Dictator?.....then choice is not free. It is constrained.
If God's Creation gets to vote who they will have as their ruler (Democracy) and they choose other than God......how does God process that?
Hello Quietthinker,

It seems to me that Yahavah allows choice to mankind, angels, even (the time before the beginning when other "gods" were among him he I presumed created Psalms 82.) To me I believe all people are resurrected, and those who never desired to be near or seek after God get what they want... a place without him. Isn't that what a good God would allow? It's mind-boggling to me; to see myself as some special chosen candidate for heaven. My choice is to have hope in getting to be with God after this... I could turn around and renounce my faith however ... there has been no other whom has helped me get as far as I have considering my prior life... That choice is still there though. I believe that is why in Revelation 21, and 22, there is a kingdom set up for those who go within and those who are staying outside... It's not any different than the temple which once was standing in Jerusalem, except that it a heavenly destination, and Yahavah is not mad or angry with anyone.
 

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Hello Quietthinker,

It seems to me that Yahavah allows choice to mankind, angels, even (the time before the beginning when other "gods" were among him he I presumed created Psalms 82.) To me I believe all people are resurrected, and those who never desired to be near or seek after God get what they want... a place without him. Isn't that what a good God would allow? It's mind-boggling to me; to see myself as some special chosen candidate for heaven. My choice is to have hope in getting to be with God after this... I could turn around and renounce my faith however ... there has been no other whom has helped me get as far as I have considering my prior life... That choice is still there though. I believe that is why in Revelation 21, and 22, there is a kingdom set up for those who go within and those who are staying outside... It's not any different than the temple which once was standing in Jerusalem, except that it a heavenly destination, and Yahavah is not mad or angry with anyone.
Can life exist forever without God? Would he maintain at state of misery forever? If he did then what sort of a being is he?
 
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Hello Quietthinker,

Think about how every God given soul that is said to just stop existing, by all these people out there in the world that are taught it
, and says supposedly in the end stops to exist. Is that true?
 

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Hello Quietthinker,

Think about how every God given soul that is said to just stop existing, by all these people out there in the world that are taught it
, and says supposedly in the end stops to exist. Is that true?
I'm not quiet sure what you're asking in your question Matthew.

I see it from this angle, God had given the first pair life and free reign over the whole show of his creation. There was however a restriction and that was don't touch or eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The warning was, if you do, you will surely forfeit your life (die)....and die they did in stages. Firstly spiritually, secondly emotionally, thirdly relationally and finally their bodies succumbed and went back to the dust from which they were taken. The first three happened pretty much immediately, the fourth caught up with them down the track.

They hadn't existed prior to being created and after nearly a 1000 years toiling on this planet, they gave up the ghost and went back to the state prior to being created, ie non existence.

Have I answered anything or have I missed the intent in your question?
 

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Hello @quietthinker,

While you have a good assessment concerning Adam and Eve. It does seem that you have miss the intent of the question that was at hand.

I'll answer your questions now.

Can life exist forever without God?
Would he maintain at state of misery forever?
If he did then what sort of a being is he?

I believe Yahavah, gives people souls. When they are created in the womb, they are given the ability to in the end, "breathe life within, from the open air out of the womb." While I do believe there is life being created within the womb, a soul is there, but is finalized upon coming out and a fully developed child is formed. Sometimes there is deformations and other issues, perhaps a baby comes out with the umbilical cord wrapped around the baby's neck.

God gave all people the ability to be granted a soul, a mind/will/emotions. There is misery that comes and goes through life, and sometimes that misery could be the agitation from a defect: say a stroke happens and you barely have to use your arm and hand but you can use it just very little. And accident happens and you lose your hand, or you lose your arm. That can be miserable for people. There are emotions and relationship troubles like you mentioned etcetera.

What I find amazing is that people who claim the title of "believer" does believe that at the end of life, a person is finalized into non-existence. That looks like that case in the very first start of the Old Testament. Where did Adam and Eve go? What about Enoch? - "who in my opinion died in his sleep."

It seems that people forget that Yahavah will resurrect all human beings, good or evil, and given them all conditional bodies upon their resurrection suited for them, whether it is condemned or of life, or a better resurrection than the normal and it seems to me, that it's fortold of a place where those people who choose to not to have God in their life, are outside the kingdom.

Are those people outside the kingdom miserable?
Would you say that they are miserable?
What if they are just fine doing what they will without God?

It is perceived a lake of fire which comes from God, and the Lamb and his angels are founded within this fire that purges away the darkness, of perhaps those who are outside, and those from within perhaps help them come to the truth even in the afterlife...

So does God want to retain, or restrain people from getting to his presence in the afterlife? I don't think so, does he desire for those outside to come to the truth just as much as he desires for people today in this life to come to truth? I would say Yes. There is a kingdom which 12 gates surround it and the gates of the kingdom never close. Why? What purpose?

If everyone goes back to non-existence especially non believers, there is no reason to have an outside portion of the Kingdom. I believe Yahavah is a good God, who allows people to have choice, and allows the ability to make the choice just like adam and eve.

Eat from the tree of life, or the knowledge of good and evil, that choice is upon all individuals.

I don't get were people feel they are so special they are "chosen by God" now in the context of the bible and that day in age, I do see where it is that it was possible, but in this day in age, with everything being completed and satan, the beast, and sins being paid for and taken care of and the Lord getting his bride and restoring all things back to the choice of Adam and Eve...

It seems to me all us make choices - one of Yahavahs choice is to allow all people to retain being alive in a state good enough to get by living out life within the heavenly realm, which is typically, looked at as heresy. Or untrue, or "They die because of second death." And never moved on to Revelation 21, 22. That second death could be the dying of the self of coming to the truth of the Lord Yeshua, going through the fire of God, and find the Lamb and his angels within it, and perhaps able to enter into the Kingdom... This is definitely different than universalism because there is only one way to the Father, and to me that is through Jesus Christ for all those who can read, seek, learn, grow, and eventually even after this life if they didn't fully know, will find out then in that afterlife.
 

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If God's Creation gets to vote who they will have as their ruler (Democracy) and they choose other than God......how does God process that?

Creation did and does " vote " to reject God. We see this everyday, we know what God has done about this.
 

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Is God a Dictator? Is His Creation a Democracy?

God a dictator? No

God OFFERS Gifts;men can TAKE or REJECT.
Taking Gods Offering, is a man agreeing and submitting TO Gods Governance OVER that man.

Is Gods Creation a Democracy? No

A Democracy is method of Governance.
A Democracy is a majority MOB dictating arbitrary rules / laws by which the Citizens thereof are forced / compelled to comply…and threatened with severe negative consequences for non-compliance.

Glory to God,
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Hello @quietthinker,

While you have a good assessment concerning Adam and Eve. It does seem that you have miss the intent of the question that was at hand.

I'll answer your questions now.

Can life exist forever without God?
Would he maintain at state of misery forever?
If he did then what sort of a being is he?

I believe Yahavah, gives people souls. When they are created in the womb, they are given the ability to in the end, "breathe life within, from the open air out of the womb." While I do believe there is life being created within the womb, a soul is there, but is finalized upon coming out and a fully developed child is formed. Sometimes there is deformations and other issues, perhaps a baby comes out with the umbilical cord wrapped around the baby's neck.

God gave all people the ability to be granted a soul, a mind/will/emotions. There is misery that comes and goes through life, and sometimes that misery could be the agitation from a defect: say a stroke happens and you barely have to use your arm and hand but you can use it just very little. And accident happens and you lose your hand, or you lose your arm. That can be miserable for people. There are emotions and relationship troubles like you mentioned etcetera.

What I find amazing is that people who claim the title of "believer" does believe that at the end of life, a person is finalized into non-existence. That looks like that case in the very first start of the Old Testament. Where did Adam and Eve go? What about Enoch? - "who in my opinion died in his sleep."

It seems that people forget that Yahavah will resurrect all human beings, good or evil, and given them all conditional bodies upon their resurrection suited for them, whether it is condemned or of life, or a better resurrection than the normal and it seems to me, that it's fortold of a place where those people who choose to not to have God in their life, are outside the kingdom.

Are those people outside the kingdom miserable?
Would you say that they are miserable?
What if they are just fine doing what they will without God?

It is perceived a lake of fire which comes from God, and the Lamb and his angels are founded within this fire that purges away the darkness, of perhaps those who are outside, and those from within perhaps help them come to the truth even in the afterlife...

So does God want to retain, or restrain people from getting to his presence in the afterlife? I don't think so, does he desire for those outside to come to the truth just as much as he desires for people today in this life to come to truth? I would say Yes. There is a kingdom which 12 gates surround it and the gates of the kingdom never close. Why? What purpose?

If everyone goes back to non-existence especially non believers, there is no reason to have an outside portion of the Kingdom. I believe Yahavah is a good God, who allows people to have choice, and allows the ability to make the choice just like adam and eve.

Eat from the tree of life, or the knowledge of good and evil, that choice is upon all individuals.

I don't get were people feel they are so special they are "chosen by God" now in the context of the bible and that day in age, I do see where it is that it was possible, but in this day in age, with everything being completed and satan, the beast, and sins being paid for and taken care of and the Lord getting his bride and restoring all things back to the choice of Adam and Eve...

It seems to me all us make choices - one of Yahavahs choice is to allow all people to retain being alive in a state good enough to get by living out life within the heavenly realm, which is typically, looked at as heresy. Or untrue, or "They die because of second death." And never moved on to Revelation 21, 22. That second death could be the dying of the self of coming to the truth of the Lord Yeshua, going through the fire of God, and find the Lamb and his angels within it, and perhaps able to enter into the Kingdom... This is definitely different than universalism because there is only one way to the Father, and to me that is through Jesus Christ for all those who can read, seek, learn, grow, and eventually even after this life if they didn't fully know, will find out then in that afterlife.
Where has the idea come from that people have souls instead of being souls, Matthew?
 

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If God gets what he wants all the time is that not the definition of a Dictator?....

God does not get what He want's all the time.

If He did then why is the world evil? Why are Jews in the Holy Land being bombed the last 2 days, as usual.
Why would Gay Marriage and Gay Adoption, exist?
Why would Calvinism exit?

The list of situations in this world that are offensive to God... are legion.
 

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Hello @quietthinker,

I believe if God breathed into Adam. He does everyone else. Whether they activate that spiritually dead position or not, only Yahavah knows.

This is what God the LORD says— the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out, who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it:
 

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We are in Gods will as his children.

Does he dictate his will...all I can say is this....there is no better will to be in, than that of the Father....we are taught by his Spirit to do his will plus understand his will.

A life of learning from the Spirit to our spirit...just my thoughts.

Ps, only God can prepare us for the battle ahead...wait on him, he will make our paths straight...be warned about going before him...I have tried and made myself look a right fool...he has shown me my place, took long enough.