Run AWAY from Calvinism!

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John's first chapter says this...

...as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

You've said it yourself right there.

Only God gives rebirth, that is correct, and to whom? To as many as receive Jesus, believing in His Name. Plain and simple.

I believe the truth of the Spirit of Jesus in reading Scripture is not only available to the clever but also to the common man.

I fully agree.

God alone gives rebirth to those who believe and receive. That's the simple and plain reading without just looking at half the passage.

Much love!

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

We’re not saved from eternal damnation/ wrath of God.. not until our spirit is Born Of God’s seed, my opinion.

Once Born Again then we are saved, not before.

Born Again saved from eternal damnation.

Of course, you're right! Remind me what post you're responding to and how you differ with it, to further our discussion.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You've said it yourself right there.

Only God gives rebirth, that is correct, and to whom? To as many as receive Jesus, believing in His Name. Plain and simple.

That is a simple declatory fact. It says nothing about how one goes about getting the faith to be saved! It simply says that whoever does A gets B!

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

That is a simple declatory fact. It says nothing about how one goes about getting the faith to be saved! It simply says that whoever does A gets B!

Yes, please don't read into Scripture an order of events that isn't there.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You've said it yourself right there.

Only God gives rebirth, that is correct, and to whom? To as many as receive Jesus, believing in His Name. Plain and simple.


I fully agree.

God alone gives rebirth to those who believe and receive. That's the simple and plain reading without just looking at half the passage.

Much love!

Receiving is ceasing to resist - this is surrender - not my will but Thy will be done. (actually this is a daily declaration as it is in the Lord's prayer)

But this is preceded by belief which comes by revelation.

And where does the revelation come from ???

It is given by His Spirit to the chosen.

He who has an ear to hear what the Spirit is saying...

Rev 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants.

John 6:65
And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”

Matt 16:
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

So the sequence starts from the Gift of Revelation given to the chosen.

Revelation triggers saving faith as faith comes from hearing and hearing from the Word of Christ.

 

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Receiving is ceasing to resist - this is surrender - not my will but Thy will be done. (actually this is a daily declaration as it is in the Lord's prayer)

But this is preceded by belief which comes by revelation.

And where does the revelation come from ???

It is given by His Spirit to the chosen.

He who has an ear to hear what the Spirit is saying...

Rev 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants.

John 6:65
And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”

Matt 16:
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

So the sequence starts from the Gift of Revelation given to the chosen.

Revelation triggers saving faith as faith comes from hearing and hearing from the Word of Christ.

All arguments aside . . . at the end of the day . . . God is true, and His invitation is true.

Your arguments only make God false towards mankind, and that is contrary to all of Scripture.

Much love!

 

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That is a simple declatory fact. It says nothing about how one goes about getting the faith to be saved! It simply says that whoever does A gets B!

In that these are active voice verbs, receive, and believe, that does in fact tell us what's happening. The person is believing. If the believing and receiving were being done for them they would be passive voice verbs.

Much love!

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

Receiving is ceasing to resist - this is surrender - not my will but Thy will be done. (actually this is a daily declaration as it is in the Lord's prayer)

But this is preceded by belief which comes by revelation.

And where does the revelation come from ???

It is given by His Spirit to the chosen.

He who has an ear to hear what the Spirit is saying...

Rev 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants.

John 6:65
And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”

Matt 16:
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

So the sequence starts from the Gift of Revelation given to the chosen.

Revelation triggers saving faith as faith comes from hearing and hearing from the Word of Christ.

And that revelation is the Bible, which enlightens our lives.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

In that these are active voice verbs, receive, and believe, that does in fact tell us what's happening. The person is believing. If the believing and receiving were being done for them they would be passive voice verbs.

Much love!

That is quite incorrect.

Yes it iis the person believing and receiving.

But they cannot have faith until it is given to them.

And they cannot come to Jesus until they are drawn to HIm by the Father!

Once again teh natural or unsaved man does not have the capacity to choose Jesus or trust in His death and resurrection for Salvation. I have posted those verses many many many times.

Remember they cannot believe until they are empowered to believe.

As natural or unsaved people we are dead in our trespasses and sins. Dead people cannot believe!

 

[marks]

That is quite incorrect.

Actually it's just the way the words read.

Much love!

 

[Carl Emerson]

All arguments aside . . . at the end of the day . . . God is true, and His invitation is true.

Your arguments only make God false towards mankind, and that is contrary to all of Scripture.

Much love!

This is the nub of the issue - attributing some malice to God simply because He chooses.

 

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This is the nub of the issue - attributing some malice to God simply because He chooses.

That has nothing to do with what I've said, and shows your malice towards one who disagrees with you.

So there it is. There is no need for you to reply further to my posts. This is a sad day!

Much love!

 

[Carl Emerson]

Sorry you feel that way - but Paul addressed the same issue when he said in Romans 9...

19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?

... in response to those who were arguing against God's right to choose.

 

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... in response to those who were arguing against God's right to choose.

As if that's what I were doing? Dig your hole. Misrepresent me. You know what that is.

Much love, and a true hope that you will come to see the truth in these things.

 

[Carl Emerson]

It is not about you...

This is a very widespread attitude that I am pointing out.

It even extends to God's right to choose and favour a Nation or a people.

Millions today are violently opposed to such a notion.

As believers we should recognise that God has the right to choose as He sees fit.

Anything else is judging God.

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

That is quite incorrect.

Yes it iis the person believing and receiving.

But they cannot have faith until it is given to them.

And they cannot come to Jesus until they are drawn to HIm by the Father!

Once again teh natural or unsaved man does not have the capacity to choose Jesus or trust in His death and resurrection for Salvation. I have posted those verses many many many times.

Remember they cannot believe until they are empowered to believe.

As natural or unsaved people we are dead in our trespasses and sins. Dead people cannot believe!

I agree!