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Ritajanice

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I sin but I'm not a sinner, this is simple to understand. I'm not a sinner because I don't live to sin as the heathen do. They are sinners because they sin all the time, I'm a sinner because my old sin nature causes me to sin
We’re not in the flesh were in the Spirit.

Romans 8:9-11

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9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you
I'm a sinner because my old sin nature causes me to sin
2 Peter 1
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A Greeting from Peter
(1 Peter 1:1–2)
1Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
2Grace and peace be multiplied to you through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
Partakers of the Divine Nature
3His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His owna glory and excellence. 4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. 8For if you possess these qualities and continue to grow in them, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But whoever lacks these traits is nearsighted to the point of blindness, having forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.
10Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble, 11and you will receive a lavish reception into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
12Therefore I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are established in the truth you now have. 13I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of my body,b 14because I know that this tent will soon be laid aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15And I will make every effort to ensure that after my departure, you will be able to recall these things at all times.
 
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There is a difference between being born again and being baptized in the Spirit into His church.
John 3, Born again first, enter the kingdom of God second.
Unless first born again, you cannot believe, as Jesus told Nicodemus who at that time did not believe. and said how can these things be true?

Course, all born again will be baptized by the Spirit into His church, this is inevitable as it is the will of God that God gives to Christ all His children. All born again, are of God and are His children who God then teaches by the Spirit, and we come to Christ as believers.
Being born again does not have to be some fantastical emotional experience, it can happen just like the light breeze of a wind that blows on you and you feel the effects on the inside. Being born again changes us on the inside and is entirely according to the working of God within us, we get a new spirit and a new relationship to God, all things are become new between us and God, the old adversarial relationship is gone and the new is here, and all that is of God. We are in Christ as in we are of God and we now hear God as in harken to Him as we belong to Him. Those who are of God hear God speak, if you do not hear, then you are not of God

Ephesians speaks to this, how God determined for us to be born again from the beginning of the creation, then for us to trust Him in Christ and after we trust be sealed into the 'deal', the promised salvation of Christ's New Covenant in His blood

This is an absolute lock, the process being afore determined by God of whom He would save, and it does involve our receiving of Him as we are taught by God to believe in Christ, this is the work God does inside of all of us who have believed.

Look how this is written, we are chosen before time began by the Father to be in Christ
In the fullness of Time, God sent Christ, so we are of His church in the New Covenant, not the Old.
God made known to us the mystery of His will, the Father's drawing and teaching us in our born of God spirits to come to Christ as in entrusting ourselves to Him as Lord.
After we trusted in Him, we Christ gathers us into one flock as believers in Him. And that includes all the saints of God who are in Heaven, we are all of one in Him.
There is no separation of the people of God.

Because the Father drew and taught us, we came to Christ, we were willing.
And after having believed we were sealed by the Holy Spirit to obtain salvation, Him being the guarantor of our eternal inheritance in the saints. And Jesus delivers us from the wrath of God to come on the unbelieving world.



1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,

To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:

2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Redemption in Christ​

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He [a]made us accepted in the Beloved.

7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and [b]prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, [c]both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

John 1 also seals the deal, for those who believe in Him, now have the full legal authorized right of the whole universe to recognize us as the children of God.

John 1 indicates an already prior condition, who has been born which is why the Holy Spirit taught us and we came to Christ, we were granted to come to Christ, God gifted to us our belief in Christ. God taught us to know Christ. We were of God (born again) so we can hear God and trust Christ for salvation.

John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.

John 8:47
He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

30 And because of him[e] you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31 so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

John 1
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the (legal, God authorized, part of the NC) [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 John 5
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.


God called and chose some, all those so called then come to Christ.


20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach[b] to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards,[c] not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, 29 so that no human being[d] might boast in the presence of God. 30 And because of him[e] you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31 so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
 
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Drinking, what drinking?
he or she who puts their lips to strong drink .
Remember the other day when you had written to me
and i told you i had been in the other room
and i had heard something
Then when i had went back to the site i SEEN it was confirmed and that indeed someone has reported someone else .
I say that to remind you . i am worried for you dear sister .
 
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I wasn't made sinless before I was saved, so I can't agree with your opinion that "Gods Spirit cannot indwell a sinner". If that were the case, then nobody would be saved for all have sinned
We need to recall though there is the old man, and then there is the new man
The new man, that which is born of God by the Spirit is created by God in righteousness and holiness, and that is the saved you, and it cannot sin as it is joined as one spirit with God.
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

The new man does not sin, indeed cannot, but the old man can and does.
Only the New Man of the spirit of God is what is saved.
That would be the living spirit God created in a man which is saved, it has life. But the old man is corrupt and dead.
The fact Paul tells us to put off the old man tells we can still act like the old man,


Colossians 3:8-10
If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.

8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, 10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.

Ephesians 4

17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as [f]the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
 
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he or she who puts their lips to strong drink .
Remember the other day when you had written to me
and i told you i had been in the other room
and i had heard something
Then when i had went back to the site i SEEN it was confirmed and that indeed someone has reported someone else .
I say that to remind you . i am worried for you dear sister .
Brother, you need not worry about me, I am under the protection of the Holy Spirit,x
 
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I wasn't made sinless before I was saved, so I can't agree with your opinion that "Gods Spirit cannot indwell a sinner". If that were the case, then nobody would be saved for all have sinned

Gods SPIRIT ABSOLUTELY DOES DWELL IN A SINNER………A FORGIVEN SINNER…WHOSE SIN IS “COVERED” with Gods INDWELLING SPIRIT>>>WHICH IS PURE “LIGHT”…

LIGHT…over shadow’s darkness….

You do not enter a room…turn on a light…then stumble around in the dark!

God does NOT MAKE A born again man SINLESS…He makes his sin forgiven…covered…REMEMBERED NO MORE!!

The BODY ….. WAITS …. To become Glorified….SINLESS….WHEN his BODY is RISEN UP!!!

God bless you …. With Understanding…

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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ask that question to peter and to paul .
Many are being taken in the wrong direction friend .
THERE was a reason why every letter the apostels wrote were left to us to read and to heed .
From every promise to every warning to every lovely word of TRUTH inspired of GOD . THERE BE A REASON .
Now what was it about that reminder that bothers you so .
Because what i write next is not to boast in me one tiny bit . Not one tiny bit .
BUT IT IS NEEDFUL to hear it .
By the grace of GOD have i read and loved that bible daily , reading and enjoying it
and IF or when ANYONE brings reminders that are truth , EVEN THOUGH by grace i know it , I REJOICE .
SO WHY IS IT you DO NOT rejoice to hear truth . You are stuck on a teaching from men are you ..........
You might wanna reread both of peters letters again .
Also read pauls too . SEE what they said .
THEN go to the gospels and SEE AGAIN what JESUS said .

WHY? You are preaching for the CONVERTED to “be” like the NON-Converted and KEEP “HOPING”…

WHO HOPES for what they Already Have?

ARE…sav-ED
ARE…quicken-ED
ARE…Sanctifi-ED

Eph 2:
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

1 Cor 6:
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Preaching to the Sav-ed (past tense), the Quicken-ed (past tense), the Sanctifi-ed (past tense), the Justifi-ed (past tense)….
…..To get to getting to become saved, quickened, sanctified, justified…..IS akin to preaching Gods EFFORTS “FAILED” in making that individual WHOLE….body, soul, spirit…and OFFputting.

Glory to God,
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Gods SPIRIT ABSOLUTELY DOES DWELL IN A SINNER………A FORGIVEN SINNER…WHOSE SIN IS “COVERED” with Gods INDWELLING SPIRIT>>>WHICH IS PURE “LIGHT”…

So... in your view when one gets born again they do not become a new creature in Christ and instead they continue living a life of sin?

That's not taught in the New Testament... you should learn what it means to be born again, and soon!


God does NOT MAKE A born again man SINLESS…He makes his sin forgiven…covered…REMEMBERED NO MORE!!

But, if they continue living in sin as so many do... it's all good as far as you are concerned and they are still saved?
 

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The new man does not sin, indeed cannot, but the old man can and does.

That's something that the gnostics taught... that when one is born again they are still half "old man" so we all are still sinners.

WE must choose each day to walk with the Lord being led by His Spirit which is always according to God's Word and.... NOT DO SINFUL THINGS

We can do all things thru Christ Who strengthens us (Phil 4:13).... notice the thru Christ part???
 

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YEAH i say we got a serious problem all right . but what says YOU .

Discussion about Governance, Political differences is one thing….
Discussion about Religion is another thing.
Discussion about Salvation is another thing.

There is a HUGE difference between blurting out….claiming to be a christian, a believer….AND being Converted IN Christ…(born again)…

Pretty much…everyone has made their testimonies known….regarding religion, regarding being born again, regarding politics and political governance…

Lecturing one who has already made their declaration….that they should make their declaration is redundant…and repetitive reminders that are already settled is frankly irritating.
 

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Gods SPIRIT ABSOLUTELY DOES DWELL IN A SINNER………A FORGIVEN SINNER…WHOSE SIN IS “COVERED” with Gods INDWELLING SPIRIT>>>WHICH IS PURE “LIGHT”

LIGHT…over shadow’s darkness….

You do not enter a room…turn on a light…then stumble around in the dark!

God does NOT MAKE A born again man SINLESS…He makes his sin forgiven…covered…REMEMBERED NO MORE!!

The BODY ….. WAITS …. To become Glorified….SINLESS….WHEN his BODY is RISEN UP!!!

God bless you …. With Understanding…

Glory to God,
Taken
underlined in bold..exactly!..Amen!
 
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Gods SPIRIT ABSOLUTELY DOES DWELL IN A SINNER………A FORGIVEN SINNER…WHOSE SIN IS “COVERED” with Gods INDWELLING SPIRIT>>>WHICH IS PURE “LIGHT”…
Beautifully said / explained much better than I explained it, thank you,..Amen!
 
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So... in your view when one gets born again they do not become a new creature in Christ and instead they continue living a life of sin?

IF…that was my view…I would be the one making such a statement….which I have made no such statement.

That's not taught in the New Testament...

SO….WHY are YOU speaking FOR ME…what I did not say….

And then LECTURING me….what YOU SAID FOR ME…is not Scriptural?

you should learn what it means to be born again, and soon!

You should learn to not be a FALSE ACCUSER… a GASLIGHTER….and SOON!
 
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We have a new nature, a new heart/spirit within, the old man is dead we are in the new man,

1 John 3:9
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
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New International Version
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

New Living Translation
Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.

English Standard Version
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Standard Bible
Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Literal Bible
Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God
The power of sin, is death and death has no power over me because I have eternal life right now. This doesn't mean that I don't sin, it just means that I'm no longer a slave to sin and Satan.
 

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And I’ve reminded you too Of God’s Truth.
I’m 100%% Born of Gods seed...His Living seed, permanently indwells my heart..the Spirit can only indwell a sinner, after repentance, even then , tis God who brings us to repentance/ Godly sorrow.

1 John 3:9
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

New Living Translation
Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.

English Standard Version
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Standard Bible
Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Literal Bible
Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God
I'm not sure what you mean by, "I'm 100% born of Gods seed" I didn't know that it was possible to be 70% born of Gods seed. I always understood being born again as being quickened to life from a state of being born dead in sin. I never saw it as a process where one is partially born and then fully born on the completion of the process.

The way I understand it, you are either dead or alive.
 

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A Born Again has been grafted into Israel, we are grafted into the true vine.

Romans 11:17-32NLT. But some of these branches from Abraham's tree—some of the people of Israel—have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in

A New Heart and a New Spirit



(Romans 8:9–11; Galatians 5:16–26)

16Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 17“Son of man, when the people of Israel lived in their land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds. Their behavior before Me was like the uncleanness of a woman’s impurity. 18So I poured out My wrath upon them because of the blood they had shed on the land, and because they had defiled it with their idols.

19I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered throughout the lands. I judged them according to their ways and deeds. 20And wherever they went among the nations, they profaned My holy name, because it was said of them, ‘These are the people of the LORD, yet they had to leave His land.’ 21But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations to which they had gone.

22Therefore tell the house of Israel that this is what the Lord GOD says: It is not for your sake that I will act, O house of Israel, but for My holy name, which you profaned among the nations to which you went. 23I will show the holiness of My great name, which has been profaned among the nations—the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Lord GOD, when I show My holiness in you before their eyes.

24For I will take you from among the nations and gather you out of all the countries, and I will bring you back into your own land. 25I will also sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and all your idols. 26I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances.

28Then you will live in the land that I gave your forefathers; you will be My people, and I will be your God. 29I will save you from all your uncleanness. I will summon the grain and make it plentiful, and I will not bring famine upon you. 30I will also make the fruit of the trees and the crops of the field plentiful, so that you will no longer bear reproach among the nations on account of famine.

31Then you will remember your evil ways and wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your iniquities and abominations. 32It is not for your sake that I will act, declares the Lord GOD—let it be known to you. Be ashamed and disgraced for your ways, O house of Israel!

33This is what the Lord GOD says: On the day I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will cause the cities to be resettled and the ruins to be rebuilt. 34The desolate land will be cultivated instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass through. 35Then they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden. The cities that were once ruined, desolate, and destroyed are now fortified and inhabited.’

36Then the nations around you that remain will know that I, the LORD, have rebuilt what was destroyed, and I have replanted what was desolate. I, the LORD, have spoken, and I will do it.

37This is what the Lord GOD says: Once again I will hear the plea of the house of Israel and do for them this: I will multiply their people like a flock. 38Like the numerous flocks for sacrifices at Jerusalem during her appointed feasts, so the ruined cities will be filled with flocks of people. Then they will know that I am the LORD.”
The Israel of God is the body of the Lord Jesus Christ. His body consists of all the elect who have died, from the beginning, and all the elect who are alive now and all the elect who have not been born yet.
We are all in His body right now, but we don't know each together because we a re separated by time and space, but Jesus is outside of time and space so He sees the whole of human history from the beginning to the end in the present.
 

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We’re not in the flesh were in the Spirit.

Romans 8:9-11​

King James Version​

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you

2 Peter 1
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A Greeting from Peter
(1 Peter 1:1–2)
1Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
2Grace and peace be multiplied to you through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
Partakers of the Divine Nature
3His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His owna glory and excellence. 4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. 8For if you possess these qualities and continue to grow in them, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But whoever lacks these traits is nearsighted to the point of blindness, having forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.
10Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble, 11and you will receive a lavish reception into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
12Therefore I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are established in the truth you now have. 13I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of my body,b 14because I know that this tent will soon be laid aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15And I will make every effort to ensure that after my departure, you will be able to recall these things at all times.
Why are you still refusing to admit that born again Christians still sin. If you don't admit this truth, Gods Word says you have no truth in you. There's no point in listing all the above verses while you ignore what God has said about the matter, it shows you reject Gods Word and you're trying to avoid the awful ruth of the matter.

You are trying to use unrelated scriptures to do away with those awful scriptures which expose your true state. By refusing to embrace the awful truth and simply sidestepping the issue by burying it with unrelated scriptures, doesn't make it go away.

John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

God knows you're a sinner, and all you need to do is confess your sin to Him and you will find that He is faithful to forgive, as He has promised in His Word.
 

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We need to recall though there is the old man, and then there is the new man
The new man, that which is born of God by the Spirit is created by God in righteousness and holiness, and that is the saved you, and it cannot sin as it is joined as one spirit with God.
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

The new man does not sin, indeed cannot, but the old man can and does.
Only the New Man of the spirit of God is what is saved.
That would be the living spirit God created in a man which is saved, it has life. But the old man is corrupt and dead.
The fact Paul tells us to put off the old man tells we can still act like the old man,


Colossians 3:8-10
If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.

8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, 10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.

Ephesians 4

17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as [f]the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
These are all good and encouraging to consider, but lets not pretend that we can keep the law as the Pharisees did and Jesus exposed them as being the children of the Devil.

We should strive against the temptation to sin, but we should also realize that we won't win every battle against temptation and we will continue to be overcome regularly for the rest of our lives.

The Apostle Paul makes it crystal clear, that the "old man", "old sin nature" still have a stronghold on us after we are born again. Paul admits to being the Chief of sinners, and speaks about two natures in him.


Romans 7:14-25

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
 

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Why are you still refusing to admit that born again Christians still sin.
A Born Again does not sin, .just as Gods word says..you have not produced any scripture, that says a “ Born Again sins, plus God says, you must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God..

Spirit gives birth to spirit..I have posted scripture confirming that a Born Again does not sin, which you seem to be getting very upset over.

Sorry , Gods truth was posted.

1 John 3
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1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. 2Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears,a we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is. 3And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.b
4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.c 5But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him.
7Little children,d let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.e 8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.
9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10By this the children of God are distinguished from the children of the devil: Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.


If you don't admit this truth, Gods Word says you have no truth in you.
The truth is the new man, not the old man ,he is dead and buried in Christ.
There's no point in listing all the above verses while you ignore what God has said about the matter, it shows you reject Gods Word and you're trying to avoid the awful ruth of the matter.

You are trying to use unrelated scriptures to do away with those awful scriptures which expose your true state.
A Born Again does not sin, unrelated scriptures?

Scripture that I post is related to the Born Again, unfortunately ,your scripture is not.you misunderstand John imo.


By refusing to embrace the awful truth and simply sidestepping the issue by burying it with unrelated scriptures, doesn't make it go away.
Awful truth?

I was set free 33yrs ago from sin, that’s the good news, Jesus came and took all of my sin 2;000 yrs ago.my Spirit was Born Of God, then I was set free from sin..as I was chosen / predestined before the foundation of the world,..for all of this to take place when it did, ( my supernatural rebirth).
John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
You are misunderstanding John, we live in our old body of sin, so yes, if we don’t understand this, of course we deceive ourselves, ..we’re in the new man, Born Of God’s seed.

If you keep confessing your sin over and over, then it sounds like you are working for your salvation, ..

I know 100% that my sins are no more, the old has gone, the New is here.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Makes no sense, we are already clothed in the righteousness of Christ, we don’t confess any sins, as all have been forgiven.

Isaiah 61:10I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decked himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
God knows you're a sinner, and all you need to do is confess your sin to Him and you will find that He is faithful to forgive, as He has promised in His Word.
,I was a sinner, I was set free from sin 33yrs ago, when my spirit became Born Again, Spirit gives birth to spirit.

We live in our old body of sin, we have been forgiven of our sin, by God,

Also you don’t seem to understand that, the Holy Spirit cannot indwell/ take up residence , in the heart/ spirit of a Born Again, just as His word says.

Our spirit must be birthed into Christ..,
A Born Again cannot sin, because they have been Born Of God...you can’t seem to relate to that scripture, imo.with respect.
Plus you have produced no scripture that a “ Born Again” sins, only your opinion of what John means.

2 Corinthians 5:17ESV “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. . ”

We are in Christ a new creation, he’s at work in our heart/spirit, the moment we become his children.
 
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