The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

[Ritajanice]

I don't know when I was born again, but I know that God regenerated me while I was totally depraved and dead in my trespasses and sin.

I don't know of any scripture that supports this idea that God has to forgive our sin before we are born again. My sins were forgiven 2000 years ago, when Jesus paid for all of my past, present and all future sins. So I am fully forgiven before I even sin.

My sins were forgiven the night my spirit became Born Of God’s seed, my heart/ spirit, knows that by divine heart revelation.

The bible tells me that being born again, doesn't mean that we stop sinning, nor does it mean that we became like Christ, what it does say is that we are given a token or promise to become sinless in the life to come. There is nothing to support this idea that we can attain that in this life.

Gods Spirit, cannot indwell the spirit of a sinner, that a pretty obvious fact,I’ve already post scripture, saying that a “ Born Again” doesn’t sin, I believe Gods word.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Disagree with your Understanding.

1 John 3:9 applies to a human individual who has MADE a commitment of their willing and able to receive Gods Offering: for Him to MAKE a Once and Forever “Change” in that individuals LIFE, According to Gods ORDER and WAY.



Regarding…1 John 1:8
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Yes…that verse is true…
What does that verse have to DO with a BORN AGAIN individual?

Has ANYONE claiming they ARE born again………ALSO CLAIMED……
“they HAVE NO SIN”?

I didn’t….so why do you think that verse has any relevance in your conversation with me?

1 John 3:
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Regarding… 1 John 1: 9
That verse HAS A CAVEAT….”IF”…
That CAVEAT is in accordance with Gods “order and way”….that an individual fulfills BEFORE he is MADE…born again.



Practicing SIN…is like ANYTHING that is PRACTICE….which simply means Repeating a USUAL BEHAVIOR…to Perfect the USUAL BEHAVIOR…

Why do you imply an understanding of a person confessing TO the Lord God….their desire to OVERCOME SIN….INCLUDES their desire to CONTINUE PRACTICING and PERFECTING committing SIN?



Well no kidding…

The issue is:….

You are attempting to MAKE…an individuals. Recognization…Confession….Receipt of a Born Again Spirit IRRELEVANT

Being that…the SAME which applied to that Individual BEFORE being MADE BORN AGAIN….STILL APPLY….

No…it does not…

Having sin….
Committing sin….
Having forgiven sin….
Sinning NO MORE…

Are not the same things…
They are part of the Process, according to Gods Offering of His Order and Way…

Gods ORDER and WAY….in the OT …. Was according to WHAT, HOW, and WHEN….God Offered men in THAT ERA.

Gods ORDER and WAY….in the NT……Was as SCRIPTURE SAYS…a BETTER OFFERING…

OT…NT….nothing has Changed….
A Human Body OF FLESH MUST DIE…BEFORE it’s soul can be saved…
BEFORE it’s spirit can be born again…

The NT….(better offering)….
IS Gods ACCEPTANCE of a human man “taking Gods OFFERING to BE “BODILY CRUCIFIED” with Jesus’ BODY”…..to BE
Acceptable to God…AS that man HAVING fuliflled the ONE REQUIREMENT of ONE BODILY DEATH….BEFORE God can Save that mans soul and quicken that mans spirit!!!

SO WHY….is that BETTER…as Scripture teaches?

BECAUSE from there FORWARD…(even while that man remains PHYSICALLY ALIVE….)
SPIRITUALLY…that man HAS ALREADY received the ASSURANCE….FOREVER….
“BY the Power of God”….
That man SHALL FOREVER “BE” with God..
AND…
FOREVER the Lord God Almighty SHALL “BE” with that individual man.

Men WHO ARE NOT … soul saved and spirit quickened…..ARE STILL functioning according to THEIR OWN POWER…thoughts, whims, ever changing ideas, beliefs….
AND….
CAN follow after the Lord God,,,,or a any moment doubt, deny, reject, walk away from the Lord God…and they be called….
Having fallen from FAITH.
(Not…born again and then not born again as some falsely teach).

You SHOULD have at some point in your life….noticed, heard, seen….men claim…”they USED to Believe…but now doubt, deny, reject”….They WERE NOT born again….(as IF they FOOLED the all knowing God….and got their ticket out of hell….without a commitment.)

Men and Women….making VOWS, promises of one to another in a marriage contract….
ARE….supposed to be “PRACTICING”….their faithfulness ONE to the OTHER….in a preview, trial of sorts….learning how it is sometimes easy, sometimes difficult, sometimes hard to understand the other, always requires trust……….ALL in Preparation FOR a ONE on ONE Forever Relationship BOND that CAN NOT BE BROKEN….between ONE individual and the Lord God Almighty.

POINT BEING….the BOND between one individual and the Lord God……MUST First be “established”….according to Gods (not mans), order and way….and ONCE “established”…..CAN NEVER be broken…
…..AND WHY there is a WARNING TO mankind…..BE SURE, BE VERY SURE before MAKING a Commitment to the Lord God…
IT IS FOREVER….(no convenient “divorces” as men repeatedly do).

Glory to God,
Taken

All of these exhortations to remain faithful and resist temptation to sin, after we are born again are good. But the reality is, we just can't live up to any of them in this life. All we can do is strive and wrestle against temptation, but it will overcome us with regularity.

I hate my sin, just as much as you hate yours and I would be glad to completely divorce myself from my old sin nature and live a faithful and sinless life before God and my wife. But I don't win every battle against temptation and I do fall every day.

This is why I need to repent everyday and ask God to forgive me for the sins of that day. He is faithful and He does forgive me and restore and renew m everyday. This won't be necessary in the life to come, I will receive my glorified eternal sinless body then and I will finally have the mind of Christ with no desire to sin anymore.

Paul confirmed that our body is corrupt, in;

Romans 7:22-25
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Notice the distress in what Paul says about his body, he's obviously tormented by his old sin nature bringing him into captivity. In the last verse there he seems to face the reality of his two natures waring against each other. I don't believe that God holds any sin against those who are converted and born again, because we are not given to sin as those who are enslaved by their sin are.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Christian Soldier

TRUE….Amen and Amen!

Not ONLY is one born of God (Gods SEED) made perfectly clear they do not commit SIN, they Can NOT SIN….and the explanation….the BECAUSE WHY…the …..interpretation according to Gods WORD…is made perfectly clear….!!

Glory to God,
Taken

Amen!

 

[Ritajanice]

The born again BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST
what the Spirit first does is to draw us to CHRIST , the FATHER draws us to HIM
then Does our new and living way Begin in CHRIST . WHEREIN the LOVE for TRUTH has been shed upon our hearts
by the HOLY GHOST given unto the beleiver . And believe you me , the true born again beleiver
GONNA LOVE THEM HOLY WORDS of scripture . A love for truth is and cometh OF GOD .
But always remember and keep it in memory that GOD the FATHER DOES NOT DRAW one
to a false religoin . HE draws them to JESUS the CHRIST . many are beginning to believe a lie sister .
a lie that implies even the false religoins have the SPIRIT . NO SO . for the SPIRIT draws us TO CHRIST
not to DENY JESUS as the CHRIST . YOU KEEP that in mind no matter what any man , donkey angel or anyother
tries to say . GOD desires LIFE for all , THUS HE SURE dont point to a false religoin .
GOD the FATHER testifies of the son , not budda and good works , or muhammd and good works or any other ism and good works .
But of JESUS the CHRIST . if any comes along and tries to omit that fact and preaches some other gospel
DONT HEED a word outta they mouth for they have come ONLY to decieve .

That’s your testimony, mine differs to yours.

 

[Christian Soldier]

My sins were forgiven the night my spirit became Born Of God’s seed, my heart/ spirit, knows that by divine heart revelation.

Gods Spirit, cannot indwell the spirit of a sinner, that a pretty obvious fact,I’ve already post scripture, saying that a “ Born Again” doesn’t sin, I believe Gods word.

I wasn't made sinless before I was saved, so I can't agree with your opinion that "Gods Spirit cannot indwell a sinner". If that were the case, then nobody would be saved for all have sinned

 

[Ritajanice]

No, God says you were not born of His seed. He said you were born dead in your sin

Yes, I was Born Of God’s seed, Born Again by the supernatural power of The Holy Spirit.

We are Born Again of the Living seed.,

We are brought from death to life, when our spirit is Born Again, our spirit is Alive , because our spirit is in Christ.

 

[Ritajanice]

I wasn't made sinless before I was saved, so I can't agree with your opinion that "Gods Spirit cannot indwell a sinner". If that were the case, then nobody would be saved for all have sinned

I can’t agree with someone who believes Gods Holy Spirit can indwell a sinners heart/ spirit,as you do....we are free from sin, when we have been birthed in the Spirit, Spirit gives birth to spirit. A living supernatural rebirth.

 

[Ritajanice]

I wasn't made sinless before I was saved, so I can't agree with your opinion that "Gods Spirit cannot indwell a sinner". If that were the case, then nobody would be saved for all have sinned

1 John 3:9​

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King James Version​

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9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Gods Living seed, can’t indwell the heart / spirit of a sinner..that’s why your spirit must be Born Againto see the Kingdom Of God.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Yes, I was Born Of God’s seed, Born Again by the supernatural power of The Holy Spirit.

We are Born Again of the Living seed.,

We are brought from death to life, when our spirit is Born Again, our spirit is Alive m because our spirit is in Christ.

Yes, I was Born Of God’s seed, Born Again by the supernatural power of The Holy Spirit.

We are Born Again of the Living seed.,

We are brought from death to life, when our spirit is Born Again, our spirit is Alive , because our spirit is in Christ.

I was referring to the natural birth, you know the one were all o mankind is born into slavery to sin and Satan. Of' course being born again is a spiritual birth, it's the beginning of a journey to become like Christ. This journey doesn't end in this life

 

[Christian Soldier]

I can’t agree with someone who believes God can indwell a sinners heart/ spirit,as you do....we are free from sin, when we have been birthed in the Spirit, Spirit gives birth to spirit. A living supernatural rebirth.

The Apostle Paul does not agree with you.

Romans 7:22-25
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!​

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Apostle Paul does not agree with you.

Romans 7:22-25​

22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!​

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Gods word..comes only by divine heart revelation.

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◄ 1 John 3:9 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. New Living Translation Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. English Standard Version No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Standard Bible Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Literal Bible Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God

 

[Christian Soldier]

1 John 3:9​

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King James Version​

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9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Gods Living seed, can’t indwell the heart / spirit of a sinner..that’s why your spirit must be Born Againto see the Kingdom Of God.

I sin but I'm not a sinner, this is simple to understand. I'm not a sinner because I don't live to sin as the heathen do. They are sinners because they sin all the time, I'm a sinner because my old sin nature causes me to sin

 

[Christian Soldier]

Gods word..comes only by divine heart revelation.

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◄ 1 John 3:9 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. New Living Translation Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. English Standard Version No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Standard Bible Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Literal Bible Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God

May I remind you that Paul Word is Gods Word, or is that an inconvenient truth

 

[Ritajanice]

I sin but I'm not a sinner, this is simple to understand. I'm not a sinner because I don't live to sin as the heathen do. They are sinners because they sin all the time, I'm a sinner because my old sin nature causes me to sin

We have a new nature, a new heart/spirit within, the old man is dead we are in the new man,

◄ 1 John 3:9 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. New Living Translation Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. English Standard Version No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Standard Bible Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Literal Bible Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God

 

[Ritajanice]

May I remind you that Paul Word is Gods Word, or is that an inconvenient truth

And I’ve reminded you too Of God’s Truth.
I’m 100%% Born of Gods seed...His Living seed, permanently indwells my heart..the Spirit can only indwell a sinner, after repentance, even then , tis God who brings us to repentance/ Godly sorrow.

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◄ 1 John 3:9 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. New Living Translation Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. English Standard Version No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Standard Bible Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Literal Bible Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God

 

[Ritajanice]

All of these exhortations to remain faithful and resist temptation to sin, after we are born again are good. But the reality is, we just can't live up to any of them in this life. All we can do is strive and wrestle against temptation, but it will overcome us with regularity.

I hate my sin, just as much as you hate yours and I would be glad to completely divorce myself from my old sin nature and live a faithful and sinless life before God and my wife. But I don't win every battle against temptation and I do fall every day.

This is why I need to repent everyday and ask God to forgive me for the sins of that day. He is faithful and He does forgive me and restore and renew m everyday. This won't be necessary in the life to come, I will receive my glorified eternal sinless body then and I will finally have the mind of Christ with no desire to sin anymore.

Paul confirmed that our body is corrupt, in;

Romans 7:22-25
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Notice the distress in what Paul says about his body, he's obviously tormented by his old sin nature bringing him into captivity. In the last verse there he seems to face the reality of his two natures waring against each other. I don't believe that God holds any sin against those who are converted and born again, because we are not given to sin as those who are enslaved by their sin are.

2 Corinthians 5:17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

 

[Ritajanice]

I wasn't made sinless before I was saved, so I can't agree with your opinion that "Gods Spirit cannot indwell a sinner". If that were the case, then nobody would be saved for all have sinned

A Born Again has been grafted into Israel, we are grafted into the true vine.

Romans 11:17-32NLT. But some of these branches from Abraham's tree—some of the people of Israel—have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in

A New Heart and a New Spirit



(Romans 8:9–11; Galatians 5:16–26)

16Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 17“Son of man, when the people of Israel lived in their land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds. Their behavior before Me was like the uncleanness of a woman’s impurity. 18So I poured out My wrath upon them because of the blood they had shed on the land, and because they had defiled it with their idols.

19I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered throughout the lands. I judged them according to their ways and deeds. 20And wherever they went among the nations, they profaned My holy name, because it was said of them, ‘These are the people of the LORD, yet they had to leave His land.’ 21But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations to which they had gone.

22Therefore tell the house of Israel that this is what the Lord GOD says: It is not for your sake that I will act, O house of Israel, but for My holy name, which you profaned among the nations to which you went. 23I will show the holiness of My great name, which has been profaned among the nations—the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Lord GOD, when I show My holiness in you before their eyes.

24For I will take you from among the nations and gather you out of all the countries, and I will bring you back into your own land. 25I will also sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and all your idols. 26I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances.

28Then you will live in the land that I gave your forefathers; you will be My people, and I will be your God. 29I will save you from all your uncleanness. I will summon the grain and make it plentiful, and I will not bring famine upon you. 30I will also make the fruit of the trees and the crops of the field plentiful, so that you will no longer bear reproach among the nations on account of famine.

31Then you will remember your evil ways and wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your iniquities and abominations. 32It is not for your sake that I will act, declares the Lord GOD—let it be known to you. Be ashamed and disgraced for your ways, O house of Israel!

33This is what the Lord GOD says: On the day I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will cause the cities to be resettled and the ruins to be rebuilt. 34The desolate land will be cultivated instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass through. 35Then they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden. The cities that were once ruined, desolate, and destroyed are now fortified and inhabited.’

36Then the nations around you that remain will know that I, the LORD, have rebuilt what was destroyed, and I have replanted what was desolate. I, the LORD, have spoken, and I will do it.

37This is what the Lord GOD says: Once again I will hear the plea of the house of Israel and do for them this: I will multiply their people like a flock. 38Like the numerous flocks for sacrifices at Jerusalem during her appointed feasts, so the ruined cities will be filled with flocks of people. Then they will know that I am the LORD.”

 

[amigo de christo]

WHY?
Do you specifically direct scriptural WARNINGS, your REMINDERS TO:

Soul Sav-ED and Spirit Quicken-ED…individuals…. “AS IF” they are in jeopardy of being Separated FROM God?

ask that question to peter and to paul .
Many are being taken in the wrong direction friend .
THERE was a reason why every letter the apostels wrote were left to us to read and to heed .
From every promise to every warning to every lovely word of TRUTH inspired of GOD . THERE BE A REASON .
Now what was it about that reminder that bothers you so .
Because what i write next is not to boast in me one tiny bit . Not one tiny bit .
BUT IT IS NEEDFUL to hear it .
By the grace of GOD have i read and loved that bible daily , reading and enjoying it
and IF or when ANYONE brings reminders that are truth , EVEN THOUGH by grace i know it , I REJOICE .
SO WHY IS IT you DO NOT rejoice to hear truth . You are stuck on a teaching from men are you ..........
You might wanna reread both of peters letters again .
Also read pauls too . SEE what they said .
THEN go to the gospels and SEE AGAIN what JESUS said .

 

[amigo de christo]

WHY?
Do you specifically direct scriptural WARNINGS, your REMINDERS TO:

Soul Sav-ED and Spirit Quicken-ED…individuals…. “AS IF” they are in jeopardy of being Separated FROM God?

mostly all i ever see from folks is long talks about politics
much talks about this or that .
What i dont see are folks WHO SEE THE DIRE DELUSION HAS COME UPON MUCH OF CHRISTENDOM
warning anyone . Rather i see lots of talks about ways folks can have salvation without BELIEVING IN JESUS the CHRIST
lots of talks about the unity of men , not GOD . the love of the world , NOT the LOVE of GOD .
You see what i see is simple .
Now brace yourself for what next gets typed .
I SEE that a person will focus on and talk about often what HE LOVETH MOST .
AS FOR ME ITS GONNA BE GOD HIS CHRIST THE GOSPEL .
Make no mistake . If you think the deception was bad in the days of the apostels
Well it has not went away , ITS GOTTEN INCREDIBLY worse .
and yet you know what i see . the apostels warned about decievers , about
not being decieved . they warned about and corrected error .
They all looked forward too and believed the coming of CHRIST was nigh .
AND YET HOW MUCH CLOSER IT is NOW and YET HOW MUCH WORSE deceptoin has got now .
YET I DONT HEAR SQUAT from most of the church about ANY OF THAT .
I hear a fake crap unity , i hear a false love , i hear a judge not corect not
I hear a lot about politics , BUT DONT SEEM TO HEAR ANYTHING remotely close to what the early church taught .
YEAH i say we got a serious problem all right . but what says YOU .

 

[amigo de christo]

That’s your testimony, mine differs to yours.

just hopefully our testimony agrees not with any whose testimony makes it seem
in any way , and do i mean ANY WAY , any thing that in anyway relates to inclusivity interfaith LIE .
for more info on that i suggest we rush quickly into the bible again . cause i happen to know of a man
who believeth in this inclusivity and worse i seen a near and dear friend of mine , whose name i am not yet gonna say ,
just wooing over that man . quickly forgetting how often that man has continued
to attack me and call me religious because i wont budge from the dire need TO first believe on JESUS THE CHRIST
and that if one does not , ITS ALL IN VAIN .
my advice to you and to me and to all of us is , we lay off the drinking if so be ANY of us has been doing so
and we start doing some real thinking and getting back into the bible .
For more info about drinking , please feel free to pm me in private .