I'm just wanting to confirm my understanding of mainstream Christian beliefs. All Jews who die a Jew are sent to Hell to burn forever, correct?
So Anne Frank and all other dead Jews are burning in Hell forever, right?
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Wick Stick
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Uh... no? The question is a little confusing since Jewish is both a nationality and a religion.
I don't think all Christians agree on this. There are zionist factions in Christianity that strongly support Israel, while there are others who believe that the church replaces Israel as God's chosen people.
Also, there are factions within Christianity that don't believe in eternal conscious torment, instead opting to believe either than those who go to hell are burned up and cease to exist (aka annihilation) or that hell is a place where fire purifies the wicked, who then proceed on to eternal life (aka universalism).
I don't think all Christians agree on this. There are zionist factions in Christianity that strongly support Israel, while there are others who believe that the church replaces Israel as God's chosen people.
Also, there are factions within Christianity that don't believe in eternal conscious torment, instead opting to believe either than those who go to hell are burned up and cease to exist (aka annihilation) or that hell is a place where fire purifies the wicked, who then proceed on to eternal life (aka universalism).
David in NJ
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Mainstream Judaism is that all Gentiles burn in hell.
the GOSPEL is God's Gift to Both the JEW and to the Gentile
The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world.
The Word was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.
The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. 3And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
For there is no partiality with God.
Dan Clarkston
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The Word of the Lord addresses that.... concerning any person of any race or nationality
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Just because some do some great things during their life, this does not earn them entry in to God's Kingdom.
That's because they don't accept the whole counsel of God.
So poor Anne Frank suffocated from gassing and then Jesus threw her into a lake of fire where she's literally been on fire for about 80 years now and it will never end. Right?
Wick Stick
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Mainstream Judaism doesn't believe in a hell. Judaism is all about THIS life.
David in NJ
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Mainstream Judaism is about Jews being the only chosen ones and Gentiles are to be used for their benefit.
There are levels in hell, some have it worse than others.
God's wrath burns to the lowest hell.
Good people are not saved, as there are none that do good.
I do however believe infants and young children do not go to hell.
Jews are no better than gentile sinners.
Romans 3
What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? 2 Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the [a]oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? 4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be [b]true but every man a liar. As it is written:
“That You may be justified in Your words,
And may overcome when You are judged.”
5 But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unjust who inflicts wrath? (I speak as a man.) 6 Certainly not! For then how will God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? 8 And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”?—as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their [c]condemnation is just.
All Have Sinned
9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.10 As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13 “Their throat is an open [d]tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become [e]guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
God is good and always does what is right, else God would not be God the Creator.
for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Infants and young children, do they have the knowledge of sin? When they do obtain it, then they are guilty.
All adults have the knowledge of sin, it is in their consciousness, even if they repress that.
God also has mercy on whom He will, see this choice is God's alone to make, not ours, we are not to judge God for the things God does.
for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Infants and young children, do they have the knowledge of sin? When they do obtain it, then they are guilty.
All adults have the knowledge of sin, it is in their consciousness, even if they repress that.
God also has mercy on whom He will, see this choice is God's alone to make, not ours, we are not to judge God for the things God does.
Is that your Judgement or Gods?You know God does not care what you think of Israel there is no place for that he will do as he sees fit.They are meant to return to the holy land where everything will take place for the end time.Everything has happened and will happen on that special piece of land that belongs to God as it has from the beginning.No where does it say all Jews go to hell that's antisemitic thought. Go ahead try to take it from them God will stop you - you have no say in it.He decides who holds the holy land no one else literally hundreds of millions of people have died trying to take it and in the end God decided.Make sure your on the right side when it goes down my advice have nothing to do with it let God handle it it has to happen.I will not get involved.
Jesus told the unbelieving Jews this word,
John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
John 8:46
Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?
John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
John 8:46
Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?
IF you mean they die as an unbelieving in Christ Jew, then yes, that is in agreement with what Christ told the Jews.
Jesus does not throw people in hell, angels do that. Hades == Hell.
The thing about hell and heaven is they both endure until God makes a new earth and a new heaven.
At the time of the final judgement death and Hades is thrown into the lake of fire. Hades, Hell, Death, are all the place of the dead.
While those who have life are with Christ + God in Heaven
Jesus told us those who have passed from death into life will not come under the final judgement.
The Great White Throne Judgment
Revelation 2011 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”The Parable of the Tares Explained
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
Wick Stick
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It would appear that you don't know jack squat about Judaism, but somehow have hatred for the Jews anyway.
David in NJ
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lol x100
You can ask the chabad rabbis that i am friends with about that.
Or my Jewish wife and children.........
Or my Jewish friend Mike who i go fishing with almost every week.......
Need more???
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Rockerduck
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You can play Jewish all you want, and you can play Buddhist because it doesn't matter. The Gospel has been preached to the world. Missionaries have traveled the world for 300 yrs. The Jews received the Gospel first and the majority refused it then and even today. Go to a synagogue and tell them about Jesus and see what happens.
Same with the apostles day.
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us:
‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”
48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
Acts 13
At Antioch in Pisidia
13 Now when Paul and his party set sail from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia; and John, departing from them, returned to Jerusalem. 14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down. 15 And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, “Men and brethren, if you have any word of [c]exhortation for the people, say on.”16 Then Paul stood up, and motioning with his hand said, “Men of Israel, and you who fear God, listen: 17 The God of this people [d]Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with [e]an uplifted arm He brought them out of it. 18 Now for a time of about forty years He put up with their ways in the wilderness. 19 And when He had destroyed seven nations in the land of Canaan, He distributed their land to them by allotment.
20 “After that He gave them judges for about four hundred and fifty years, until Samuel the prophet. 21 And afterward they asked for a king; so God gave them Saul the son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for forty years. 22 And when He had removed him, He raised up for them David as king, to whom also He gave testimony and said, ‘I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My own heart, who will do all My will.’ 23 From this man’s seed, according to the promise, God raised up for Israel a[f] Savior—Jesus— 24 after John had first preached, before His coming, the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel. 25 And as John was finishing his course, he said, ‘Who do you think I am? I am not He. But behold, there comes One after me, the sandals of whose feet I am not worthy to loose.’
26 “Men and brethren, sons of the [g]family of Abraham, and those among you who fear God, to you the [h]word of this salvation has been sent. 27 For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him. 28 And though they found no cause for death in Him, they asked Pilate that He should be put to death. 29 Now when they had fulfilled all that was written concerning Him, they took Him down from the tree and laid Him in a tomb. 30 But God raised Him from the dead. 31 He was seen for many days by those who came up with Him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are His witnesses to the people. 32 And we declare to you glad tidings—that promise which was made to the fathers. 33 God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm:
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.’
34 And that He raised Him from the dead, no more to return to [i]corruption, He has spoken thus:
‘I will give you the sure [j]mercies of David.’
35 Therefore He also says in another Psalm:
‘You will not allow Your Holy One to see corruption.’
36 “For David, after he had served [k]his own generation by the will of God, fell asleep, was buried with his fathers, and [l]saw corruption; 37 but He whom God raised up [m]saw no corruption. 38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. 40 Beware therefore, lest what has been spoken in the prophets come upon you:
41 ‘Behold, you despisers,
Marvel and perish!
For I work a work in your days,
A work which you will by no means believe,
Though one were to declare it to you.’ ”
Blessing and Conflict at Antioch
42 [n]So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us:
‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”
48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
49 And the word of the Lord was being spread throughout all the region. 50 But the Jews stirred up the devout and prominent women and the chief men of the city, raised up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their region. 51 But they shook off the dust from their feet against them, and came to Iconium. 52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.
It is not enough to worship God to be saved as God has given all authority and power to the Son, the Christ of God.
Notice Lydia who worshipped God, yet God opens her heart to heed the things Paul spoke about Christ, and so only then was she saved.
13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
14 Now a certain woman named Lydia heard us. She was a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God. The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul.
15 And when she and her household were baptized, she begged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” So she persuaded us.
Notice Lydia who worshipped God, yet God opens her heart to heed the things Paul spoke about Christ, and so only then was she saved.
13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
14 Now a certain woman named Lydia heard us. She was a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God. The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul.
15 And when she and her household were baptized, she begged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” So she persuaded us.
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