God says that God gets what God wants, so why do you claim God is wrong?

[quietthinker]

it is beyond my understanding what God truly wants but one thing is for sure @NotTheRock he sure gets what he wants
God is the creator of all things. He made the angels, and He knows what they think. He created the spirits, and He understands how they think. He can predict 100% because He made them. That is why we are at His mercy; we cannot be proud simply because we know something when there is so much we do not understand. If I create a machine, I know its capabilities, and I can take pride in that. I understand its weaknesses and how long it will last, so I know when it will break. I know this because I made it. How much more so with God, who created all things—the God who knows the future and sees human hearts like no one else can. By saying this, you seem to be implying that God is not perfect and that He is not almighty. God's will shall be fully accomplished in the future, and no one can prevent it. This is not merely an opinion; it is a fact.

By his very nature, God is vulnerable. Vulnerable to be hurt, to be exploited, to be rejected, vulnerable to misrepresentation. Love, in the true sense of the word is being vulnerable.

Not so with the kingdoms of this world built on the logic of a fallen human heart. Its mode is survival of the fittest, exploitation the natural go to. Getting as much as you can for as little as you can give comes naturally.

So that we could see the heart of God (because we couldn't get it otherwise) God incarnated....he became human. The upshot was, he allowed us kill him.

Have we got it yet or is even this beyond our dull minds?

 

[NotTheRock]

I answered that. He desires that none should perish, but many do. He grieved over the totality of the Flood's victims. Why would God grieve about anything, if all His desires were met?
No, He will grieve over the deaths of the lost, but justice must be served. Our justice system is built on moral laws, and so evil crimes must be justly punished. If a man rapes and kills women, gets caught, he must pay the price, in this life. Unless he reaches out to Jesus with godly sorrow and asks for forgiveness, punishment after death awaits him.
- the second death, which is a destruction of both body and soul.
We all are given an opportunity to choose Life or go our own way. We must believe in Christ while we still are alive to receive salvation. That is the purpose of the Good News, a Savior stands and knocks on your door. If you open it, He will come in and sup with you. If you reject Him, you are essentially keeping the door ( to your heart) closed and do not invite Him in. Therefore, you forfeit your soul! He cannot force you to love Him. He desires a relationship , but if you say no, you won't have one. It is like trying to force a woman to love you or anyone forbthat matter. You cannot do that, love must come willingly.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3:18
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36

That is pretty straight forward.

The verses from Isaiah quote God stating that he gets what he wants. God also said that he wants all people to come to repentance. I believe that will happen and that ALL who ever existed will be in God's Kingdom. You are obviously free to believe otherwise.

 

[NotTheRock]

By saying this, you seem to be implying that God is not perfect and that He is not almighty.

On the contrary. I believe that God is capable and willing to fix and save ALL beings. The infernalists are the ones that claim that God is too incompetent and uncaring to do so.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The verses from Isaiah quote God stating that he gets what he wants. God also said that he wants all people to come to repentance. I believe that will happen and that ALL who ever existed will be in God's Kingdom. You are obviously free to believe otherwise.

God is too.

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

On the contrary. I believe that God is capable and willing to fix and save ALL beings. The infernalists are the ones that claim that God is too incompetent and uncaring to do so.

you quote the wrong message that message is not for you

If you believe that all beings will be saved, then you are saying that some of the things written in the Bible are false while others are true. This means you are selectively picking verses to fit your beliefs. It clearly states in Revelation that those people will be thrown into the sea of flames and be tortured day and night for all eternity, along with the fallen angels. This clearly means that you have rejected the word of God and accepted only some of it.

ur belief is also nowhere in the bible

y dnt u stop hardening ur heart 1st be calm stay calm and go to a neutral position do not take side do not take ur side so that u can see clearly which one is right and which is not

 

[NotTheRock]

Isaiah 46:10
declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,'

Isaiah 55:11
so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

John 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

 

[NotTheRock]

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

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Paul wrote a letter to Timothy, which includes the statement that God wants all men to be saved. But why would God include the revelation in His words if it will not be fulfilled? How can you be sure that this is everything God wants? Doesn’t God also want justice? Doesn’t He want to make men suffer the same fate as those fallen angels for all eternity, as it is written? Do you also believe that there are conflicts in the Bible? Do you not believe that God is not the author of confusion? Can faith be enough while, at the same time, faith without works is dead?

If some things in Revelation are not fulfilled, doesn't that call into question everything written in it? This only makes you more confused. Why not just believe that God wants all men to be saved, and that those who do not want to be saved will not be saved? By thinking this, nothing is in conflict. The personal letter that Paul wrote to Timothy is no longer in conflict. The things written in Revelation are not in conflict either. However, if you only accept the personal letter that wasn't meant for you but for Timothy, you are rejecting the whole book of Revelation and creating your own version of it, suggesting that all flesh are saved just to fit your belief.

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

And if you question some verses, doesn’t that make you wonder if the whole Bible is even authentic? But why don't you first start with your own wisdom before you try to question the entire Bible? Should the Word of God adjust itself to fit human's beliefs, or shouldn’t humans do that instead of the Word of God?

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

So that we could see the heart of God (because we couldn't get it otherwise) God incarnated....he became human. The upshot was, he allowed us kill him.

ദ്ദി ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ ) trinity topic again

 

[NotTheRock]

Paul wrote a letter to Timothy, which includes the statement that God wants all men to be saved. But why would God include the revelation in His words if it will not be fulfilled? How can you be sure that this is everything God wants? Doesn’t God also want justice? Doesn’t He want to make men suffer the same fate as those fallen angels for all eternity, as it is written? Do you also believe that there are conflicts in the Bible? Do you not believe that God is not the author of confusion? Can faith be enough while, at the same time, faith without works is dead?

If some things in Revelation are not fulfilled, doesn't that call into question everything written in it? This only makes you more confused. Why not just believe that God wants all men to be saved, and that those who do not want to be saved will not be saved? By thinking this, nothing is in conflict. The personal letter that Paul wrote to Timothy is no longer in conflict. The things written in Revelation are not in conflict either. However, if you only accept the personal letter that wasn't meant for you but for Timothy, you are rejecting the whole book of Revelation and creating your own version of it, suggesting that all flesh are saved just to fit your belief.

Does God want ALL to be saved?
Does Got get what God wants?

 

[NotTheRock]

And if you question some verses, doesn’t that make you wonder if the whole Bible is even authentic?

One can't help but notice when some Bible versions contradict themselves. Faulty translations cause contradictions and false doctrines, such as forever punishment.

 

[Taken]

God says that God gets what God wants, so why do you claim God is wrong?

God is never wrong!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

One can't help but notice when some Bible versions contradict themselves. Faulty translations cause contradictions and false doctrines, such as forever punishment.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Colossians 1:19-20
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

the same person said

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Why are there so many different Christian churches? Why are there numerous versions of the Christian Bible when there is only one Christ? It suggest that people believe others are wrong while considering themselves to be right.

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

and this also backed the faith + works

all of these came from the same person which is apostle paul who is not one of the original 12 apostles

 

[ThePuffyBlob]

God says that God gets what God wants, so why do you claim God is wrong?

God is never wrong!

Glory to God,
Taken

God is perfect and cannot be wrong, but that does not imply that His creatures are perfect. There are numerous churches, each claiming to be the true church, asserting that joining them is the only path to salvation. If one chooses to join others, there is a considerable risk of not being saved. Therefore, fellowship with the right church is vital.

If you assert that God gets everything He desires, including universalism, does that not raise questions about the authenticity of what the Apostle Paul wrote? This line of thinking may lead you to doubt the validity of the Bible as a whole. Believing in one verse to the exclusion of others can create an invisible stumbling block that you have constructed for yourself.